Skip to comments.Selling zip guns to cops for $300 apiece
Posted on 06/14/2012 6:47:01 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
Hecho in Switzerland (1995) - was an actual working homemade gun. Sachs and his assistants would make similar guns and sell them back to the city as part of New York's gun buyback program (for up to $300 each).
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Who am I kidding? They don't go after real criminals.
I don’t believe it is illegal to build your own firearm so long as you never try to sell it. Selling to cops in a buy back program is a “no questions asked, immunity granted” transaction, so this may not be a problem.
If they are rusty and dirty enough, I bet they would take them.
I might get enough to buy the L1A1 I've been eyeing.
mamelukesabre is right. You can manufacture your own firearm as long as you never transfer it to another person.
I wasn’t real impressed with the duct tape mounting. I could’ve figured out a much better method. Even simple bailing wire would be better.
The true meaning of a staple gun.
That’s an interesting idea. The spring and firing “pin” are WAY over designed. But it would work. It needs a gravity feed mechanism for the ammo.
I guess you could also just buy a cordless nail gun and shoot nails rather than lead bullets.
here’s an example of what they can do, although this particular nail gun is not cordless.
Actually, you CAN sell your privately made gun, as long as you didn’t make it expressly to sell.
There’s a lot of gray area, but many recommend that you only manufacture one at a time and keep them for at least a year.
That will supposedly establish that you are not manufacturing to sell.
Funny thing is they aren't criminals.
And even if the ATF did try to bust them, it is *highly* likely that they would be easily shot-down, not only could they use the reasoning found in Rock Island Armory v. US, but they could also include a 10th Amd challenge against it.
Just because something is illegal in one way (the authority of the ATF in this hypothetical) does not preclude it from being illegal in other ways.
Looks like a pipe bomb to me.
You just cannot make guns with the intent to sell. That requires a license.
Which is what it appears this person is doing.
I wasn't aware these guns were NFA firearms.
Regardless, I can promise you that manufacturing guns intended for sale, in any real scale, without the proper license will get you the attention of the ATF.
I have two of those, both by Century Arms. Whatever you do, avoid buying anything made by Century Arms. I had to have the recievers reworked in order to prevent constant feed problems that resulted in stoppage. CA didn't bother to reproduce the feed ramps that lead the bullet into the chamber. CA does not stand behind their product. I had to get the rework done by an independent gunsmith.
Thanks for the info. I thought CA was an importer, not a manufacturer? I guess the line is blurry. I saw an AK back in the 90s that was butchered into a “sporter” by the importer. (It even had “SPORTER” crudely electropenciled on the side of the reciever, apparently by a 10-year-old.) But is still worked well, unlike your L1A1.
You just cannot make firearms with the intent to sell them. That meets the Federal legal definition of "manufacturing," and that requires a license.
As background I held an FFL for 5 years, from 1997 to 2002. And while that alone doesn't make me any kind of expert, I do have a pretty good handle on a bulk of the regs.
Yes, but isn’t there an amnesty in effect when you sell to the police buy back program? I think you can sell them anything with missing serial numbers or illegal alterations and they won’t question you.
Radiator clamps. Cheap, and you can use them for about anything - fence posts, wheelbarrow handles, putting shovel heads back on.
Buy them in all sizes, and keep them in a coffee can in the workshop next to the clamps.
Reminds me of the scene from the movie “Real Men” where Jim Belushi uses a nail gun, a coat hanger, a metal band-aid box, and some other spare parts from a garage to fashion a “nail gun smg” to use in a shootout with KGB agents. Not realistic, but funny.
But like I said, I doubt ATF would interfere with it. They're too busy busting old men at gun shows.
Ooh, I like that one!
A 9 volt battery provides ignition, and a switch serves for the trigger. They only take about 4 hours to make one, and it is a small, pocket sized derringer.
Time for construction could be cut quite a bit if several were to be made. It was 4 hours for the prototype.
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