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Selling zip guns to cops for $300 apiece
boingboing ^ | 6:00 am Thursday, Jun 14 | Mark Frauenfelder

Posted on 06/14/2012 6:47:01 AM PDT by mamelukesabre

Hecho in Switzerland (1995) - was an actual working homemade gun. Sachs and his assistants would make similar guns and sell them back to the city as part of New York's gun buyback program (for up to $300 each).

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; Hobbies; Humor; Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; police; zip
Interesting way to make a living in this crappy Obama economy.
1 posted on 06/14/2012 6:47:10 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Might not be so profitable if ATF busts him for manufacturing without a license.

Who am I kidding? They don't go after real criminals.

2 posted on 06/14/2012 6:50:20 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I don’t believe it is illegal to build your own firearm so long as you never try to sell it. Selling to cops in a buy back program is a “no questions asked, immunity granted” transaction, so this may not be a problem.


3 posted on 06/14/2012 6:55:58 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
I've always been tempted to buy up a bunch of broken stocks and metal bits at a gun show, cobble them together with odd bits of scrap, and then sell them to the cops for a profit.

If they are rusty and dirty enough, I bet they would take them.

I might get enough to buy the L1A1 I've been eyeing.

4 posted on 06/14/2012 6:57:09 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: Trailerpark Badass

mamelukesabre is right. You can manufacture your own firearm as long as you never transfer it to another person.


5 posted on 06/14/2012 7:09:13 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: mamelukesabre

6 posted on 06/14/2012 7:18:15 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: mamelukesabre

7 posted on 06/14/2012 7:20:50 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

I wasn’t real impressed with the duct tape mounting. I could’ve figured out a much better method. Even simple bailing wire would be better.


8 posted on 06/14/2012 7:29:28 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
Home Depot Special.

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The true meaning of a staple gun.

9 posted on 06/14/2012 7:36:25 AM PDT by SkyDancer
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To: SkyDancer

That’s an interesting idea. The spring and firing “pin” are WAY over designed. But it would work. It needs a gravity feed mechanism for the ammo.


10 posted on 06/14/2012 7:53:31 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: SkyDancer

I guess you could also just buy a cordless nail gun and shoot nails rather than lead bullets.

here’s an example of what they can do, although this particular nail gun is not cordless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wlkNDEaCro&feature=endscreen&NR=1


11 posted on 06/14/2012 8:06:25 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: SkyDancer
Here is a few from my old files.


12 posted on 06/14/2012 8:11:39 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Actually, you CAN sell your privately made gun, as long as you didn’t make it expressly to sell.

There’s a lot of gray area, but many recommend that you only manufacture one at a time and keep them for at least a year.

That will supposedly establish that you are not manufacturing to sell.


13 posted on 06/14/2012 8:17:04 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Might not be so profitable if ATF busts him for manufacturing without a license.
Who am I kidding? They don't go after real criminals.

Funny thing is they aren't criminals.
And even if the ATF did try to bust them, it is *highly* likely that they would be easily shot-down, not only could they use the reasoning found in Rock Island Armory v. US, but they could also include a 10th Amd challenge against it.
Just because something is illegal in one way (the authority of the ATF in this hypothetical) does not preclude it from being illegal in other ways.

14 posted on 06/14/2012 8:20:41 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Fido969

Looks like a pipe bomb to me.


15 posted on 06/14/2012 9:02:58 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Actually that is not correct. You may sell personally made guns.

You just cannot make guns with the intent to sell. That requires a license.

Which is what it appears this person is doing.

16 posted on 06/14/2012 9:51:41 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: OneWingedShark
Rock Island v. US was ruling on the NFA, concerning 922(o).

I wasn't aware these guns were NFA firearms.

Regardless, I can promise you that manufacturing guns intended for sale, in any real scale, without the proper license will get you the attention of the ATF.

17 posted on 06/14/2012 9:55:47 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: jboot
I might get enough to buy the L1A1 I've been eyeing.

I have two of those, both by Century Arms. Whatever you do, avoid buying anything made by Century Arms. I had to have the recievers reworked in order to prevent constant feed problems that resulted in stoppage. CA didn't bother to reproduce the feed ramps that lead the bullet into the chamber. CA does not stand behind their product. I had to get the rework done by an independent gunsmith.

18 posted on 06/14/2012 10:07:08 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Trailerpark Badass
Available now on Amazon:


19 posted on 06/14/2012 10:19:26 AM PDT by Rio (Tempis fugit.)
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To: GingisK

Thanks for the info. I thought CA was an importer, not a manufacturer? I guess the line is blurry. I saw an AK back in the 90s that was butchered into a “sporter” by the importer. (It even had “SPORTER” crudely electropenciled on the side of the reciever, apparently by a 10-year-old.) But is still worked well, unlike your L1A1.


20 posted on 06/14/2012 10:35:03 AM PDT by jboot (Emperor: "How will this end?" Kosh: "In fire.")
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To: Rio
Not sure what you're trying to say, but in another post on this thread, I acknowledged that one may make guns without a license. And unlike what some others have said, you may sell them.

You just cannot make firearms with the intent to sell them. That meets the Federal legal definition of "manufacturing," and that requires a license.

As background I held an FFL for 5 years, from 1997 to 2002. And while that alone doesn't make me any kind of expert, I do have a pretty good handle on a bulk of the regs.

21 posted on 06/14/2012 10:40:16 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Trailerpark Badass

Yes, but isn’t there an amnesty in effect when you sell to the police buy back program? I think you can sell them anything with missing serial numbers or illegal alterations and they won’t question you.


22 posted on 06/14/2012 2:36:26 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre
I wasn’t real impressed with the duct tape mounting.

Radiator clamps. Cheap, and you can use them for about anything - fence posts, wheelbarrow handles, putting shovel heads back on.

Buy them in all sizes, and keep them in a coffee can in the workshop next to the clamps.

23 posted on 06/14/2012 2:43:50 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: mamelukesabre

Reminds me of the scene from the movie “Real Men” where Jim Belushi uses a nail gun, a coat hanger, a metal band-aid box, and some other spare parts from a garage to fashion a “nail gun smg” to use in a shootout with KGB agents. Not realistic, but funny.


24 posted on 06/14/2012 3:02:04 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: mamelukesabre
Maybe with the NYPD, but as far as the Feds are concerned, none of that, if it exists, matters. If he just turned it in, without taking any cash, that would be a different matter.

But like I said, I doubt ATF would interfere with it. They're too busy busting old men at gun shows.

25 posted on 06/14/2012 3:15:46 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: SkyDancer

Ooh, I like that one!


26 posted on 06/14/2012 3:25:24 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; All
I think you can make all the muzzleloaders you like without a license. Under federal law, they are not defined as “firearms”, but likely do well enough for these buy ups. Use glow plugs to ignite the powder, and they do well enough for a dozen shots. Plenty good for a buy up. 3/8 inch galvanized water pipe is strong enough for a .480 barrel, and can use .45 caliber bullets with a crude cloth patch.

A 9 volt battery provides ignition, and a switch serves for the trigger. They only take about 4 hours to make one, and it is a small, pocket sized derringer.

Time for construction could be cut quite a bit if several were to be made. It was 4 hours for the prototype.

27 posted on 06/14/2012 5:47:20 PM PDT by marktwain
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