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The Dawkins Challenge
Catholic Things ^ | June 13, 2012 | William E. Carroll

Posted on 06/14/2012 6:58:55 AM PDT by C19fan

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Sort of funny Dawkins and Krauss think they are so original and brave when all one needs to do is pick up the 18th century Scottish Enlightment philsopher David Hume and read the same exact belief system.
1 posted on 06/14/2012 6:59:02 AM PDT by C19fan
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Dawkins should debate with a Jihadist.


2 posted on 06/14/2012 7:00:42 AM PDT by Paladin2
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Has he ever attempted to discredit any religions other than Christianity?


3 posted on 06/14/2012 7:02:57 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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—Has he ever attempted to discredit any religions other than Christianity?—

Why should he? He is doing Satan’s bidding. Satan’s only enemy is Christianity, and of course the deity they worship.


4 posted on 06/14/2012 7:04:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Dawkins should totally take on the most oppressive religion in the world first and then once he is done with that one he can “work his way down the ladder”. He should do a survey of all the world’s religions and find one that oppresses women, condones slavery, and the killing of people who believe otherwise and start there.

No wait, that would mean he would have to start on Islam first and he is too much of a chickenshit pansy ass to do that. So much safer to go against christians cause christians don’t saw you head off with a rusty knife to make a point.


5 posted on 06/14/2012 7:05:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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—Krauss is the author of the much heralded, A Universe From Nothing: Why There is Something Rather Than Nothing, in which he argues that it is highly plausible that we will soon be able to understand how the entire universe, including the fundamental laws of physics, can start from “absolutely nothing” without any need to appeal to a creator or supernatural agency.—

The problem with this whole statement is that it only demonstrates that Science is about “how”.

Christianity is about “why”. And that is the higher pursuit.


6 posted on 06/14/2012 7:07:05 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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I was surprised to learn that most of the really difficult (supposedly original) questions that Atheists ask about the existance of God, Hell, suffering, etc. have mostly been brought up more than a thousand years ago by theologians within the church playing Devil’s advocate.


7 posted on 06/14/2012 7:07:21 AM PDT by MNDude ( Victimhood is the Holy Grail of liberalism)
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“He had a debate of sorts with Rowan Williams, the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury...”

Isn't this guy a huge lightweight, left wing, CINO? Heck, if he is who I think he is, he might be an atheist plant. What did that debate look like?

Dawkin-”Christianity is rotten, backwards, and bigoted against gays and minorities”

Williams-”Yes it is. Sorry.”

8 posted on 06/14/2012 7:07:42 AM PDT by nerdwithagun (I'd rather go gun to gun then knife to knife.)
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Bingo! Atheists never come up with anything new, they just they do. They are very proud of themselves.

Sorry satan. Next!


9 posted on 06/14/2012 7:08:34 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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I guess that’s a no? thanks


10 posted on 06/14/2012 7:28:16 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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—I guess that’s a no? thanks—

You’re welcome. :-)


11 posted on 06/14/2012 7:30:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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That’s probably because there is nothing left to debate. A long time ago we discovered that it’s simply a matter of faith...different kinds...one has it in some form, or one doesn’t. I think it will be that way forever.


12 posted on 06/14/2012 7:32:25 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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... we will soon be able to understand how the entire universe, including the fundamental laws of physics, can start from “absolutely nothing”

Recalling the phrase: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God ..." we can observe that Catholics believe that there was a beginning ... from nothing ... thanks to God.

Conversely, one might mull on the fact that there cannot be a beginning if the concept of eternity works both ways.

13 posted on 06/14/2012 7:39:28 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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The second problem with Dawkin's statement is that it's not true. Not remotely.

An actual scientist wouldn't try to pretend that 'science will one day prove or observe something' which isn't currently proven or observed.

Dawkins isn't acting as a scientist when he claims this stuff, but as a polemicist.

14 posted on 06/14/2012 7:43:27 AM PDT by agere_contra
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I’d like to see him tackle Islam- but then I guess he’s afraid of them like everyone else.


15 posted on 06/14/2012 7:44:17 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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Those things that we call the universe, time and space each only exist as a temporary ‘island’ within eternity.

There was a beginning of time and space - and of the temporary parts of creation, just like an island has a north shore.

In the same way: there will also be an end of time and space and the other pieces of temporal creation, just like an island has a south shore.

While we move and act for a few short years on the island, eternity is waiting for us. That reality - outside of time and space - is our true home.

One day the island isn’t going to be around anymore. But we will be.

Well, hope this flawed analogy was helpful.


16 posted on 06/14/2012 7:56:53 AM PDT by agere_contra
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Dawkins treats all religions equally, but as he points out, because Christianity is the dominant religion in Western culture (the one in which he resides and which represents the market for his work), he often uses it as an example. But Dawkins is no more anti-Christian than he is anti-Islamic or anti-Wiccan. If anything, he is kinder to Christianity due to its more civilizing influence.


17 posted on 06/14/2012 8:01:00 AM PDT by stormer
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The second problem with Dawkin's statement is that it's not true. Not remotely. An actual scientist wouldn't try to pretend that 'science will one day prove or observe something' which isn't currently proven or observed. Dawkins isn't acting as a scientist when he claims this stuff, but as a polemicist.
It appears to be Krauss' statement, not Dawkin's, but your point still holds. Setting aside experimental evidence, I haven't even heard of a scientific hypothesis put forward of something coming from truly nothing. His "nothing" is not really nothing, although his argument may be.
18 posted on 06/14/2012 8:02:34 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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I believe you are referring to Krauss, not Dawkins. Nonetheless, you have mispresprented the statement in question. That said, science commonly make predictions about potential future outcomes - that's the whole point...
19 posted on 06/14/2012 8:08:47 AM PDT by stormer
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"—Has he ever attempted to discredit any religions other than Christianity?—"

Yes. But he is British. The people that tend to want to debate him are British and American, and likely Christian.

20 posted on 06/14/2012 8:13:06 AM PDT by mlo
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