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World's first 'tax' on Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7
BBC News ^ | 14 June 2012 | Staff

Posted on 06/15/2012 8:11:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce

Illustration of Internet Explorer 7 tax from the Kogan.com website

According to Ruslan Kogan this is the world's first Internet Explorer 7 "tax".

The Australian online retailer Kogan.com has introduced the world's first "tax" on Microsoft's Internet Explorer 7 (IE7) browser.

Customers who use IE7 will have to pay an extra surcharge on online purchases made through the firm's site.

Chief executive Ruslan Kogan told the BBC he wanted to recoup the time and costs involved in "rendering the website into a antique browser".

The charge is set to 6.8% - 0.1% for every month since the IE7 launch.

Shows the 6.% charge added on to price.

Every month the surcharge will rise by 0.1%.

Too much effort

According to Mr Kogan the idea was born when the company started working on a site relaunch.

Mr Kogan said that even though only 3% of his customers used the old version of the browser, his IT team had become pre-occupied with making adaptations to make pages display properly on IE 7.

"I was constantly on the line to my web team. The amount of work and effort involved in making our website look normal on IE7 equalled the combined time of designing for Chrome, Safari and Firefox."

Mr Kogan said it was unlikely that anyone would actually pay the charges. His goal is to encourage users to download a more up-to-date version of Internet Explorer or a different browser.

Mr Kogan told the BBC his customers were very happy and he had received a lot of praise for his efforts.

"Love your IE7 tax. I hope it becomes effective" was one of the messages posted to Kogan on Twitter.

IE7 was launched in 2006, but since then Microsoft has released two major updates to the software.

The launch of Internet Explorer 10 is due in the autumn.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: bloatware; ie; internetexplorer; tax
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1 posted on 06/15/2012 8:11:48 AM PDT by ShadowAce
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To: rdb3; Calvinist_Dark_Lord; Salo; JosephW; Only1choice____Freedom; amigatec; stylin_geek; ...

2 posted on 06/15/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
Hahaha—excellent!
4 posted on 06/15/2012 8:15:04 AM PDT by cartan
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To: ShadowAce
Stupid marketing. A far better incentive would be to offer a free upgrade CD to any customers using IE7 and a small discount to those who don't.

Unless his website or offerings are extra special, his customers will just move to competitors rather than paying the surcharge.

5 posted on 06/15/2012 8:16:53 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ShadowAce
In response, I backtracked to Internet Explorer 5.

If he does not support my browser, I will sue.

6 posted on 06/15/2012 8:17:50 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: ShadowAce

I’m OK. I’m using IE5


7 posted on 06/15/2012 8:19:51 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Free George Zimmerman (and Mumia Abu-Jamal too, while we are about it))
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To: Vigilanteman
Unless his website or offerings are extra special, his customers will just move to competitors rather than paying the surcharge.

Or--follow me closely here--they may just perform the free upgrade to a supported browser.

8 posted on 06/15/2012 8:20:55 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Vigilanteman

Nothing special on the website....and not a lot of products....


9 posted on 06/15/2012 8:21:18 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: Lazamataz; Oztrich Boy
If he does not support my browser, I will sue.

I'm suing you both for making the Internet a worse place than it was yesterday.

10 posted on 06/15/2012 8:22:39 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Lazamataz

Go for the Gold .... backtrack to Netscape!!


11 posted on 06/15/2012 8:22:48 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: ShadowAce

Churchill’s prediction is coming true, that “the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.”


12 posted on 06/15/2012 8:23:36 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Hodar
I jsut discovered Mosaic.

It predates Netscape.

I am so cool. I'm using it right now.

13 posted on 06/15/2012 8:25:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: ShadowAce
Or--follow me closely here--they may just perform the free upgrade to a supported browser.

In some cases the upgrade of Explorer isn't supported unless you upgrade Windows. For instance Windows XP users cannot upgrade to Explorer 9. At work, I'm stuck with Explorer 8 because my company hasn't upgraded past XP. Probably similar issues for people who haven't upgraded from older versions of Windows.

14 posted on 06/15/2012 8:26:57 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: The_Victor

Then upgrade to a supported browser like Firefox.


15 posted on 06/15/2012 8:28:19 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Giving Microsoft ideas...NEXT:

The WinXP Tax

Upgrade, damn you peole!


16 posted on 06/15/2012 8:29:57 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: BenLurkin
Churchill’s prediction is coming true, that “the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.”

Churchill was talking about First Person Shooter games.

17 posted on 06/15/2012 8:32:17 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: ShadowAce

This is more of a stupidity than a “tax”. Many people simply won’t buy from this jackass, which I’m sure will lead him to increase “taxes” even further to cover the lost revenue. And on and on until he’s out of business. Idiot.


18 posted on 06/15/2012 8:33:13 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: ShadowAce
They may. But if they were tech savvy enough to do that, they probably wouldn't be using IE7 in the first place.

If the company was the Aussie equivalent of Amazon.Com, he could probably push people into doing exactly that.

But since he apparently is just one of a zillion websites out there, he probably won't.

Disclosure: My wife sells Avon. Most of the customers she has picked up are little old ladies who like the catalog, the product guidance which she gives by phone and will never order direct via their website. She runs circles around her younger competitors because she understands and offers this service. Plus, little old ladies have an amazing amount of disposable income compared to their younger counterparts. Their average order is around $60 compared to $16 for the younger set.

Just because someone isn't tech savvy doesn't mean they are stupid or don't have money to spend on your business.

19 posted on 06/15/2012 8:33:48 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Lazamataz

I began visiting the internet with the first beta version of Mosaic. I forget the number, but it was something less than one. Mosaic 0.97 Beta, or something like that.

Unfortunately, I seem to have misplaced the floppy disk on which I stored it, as well as my last floppy disk drive.


20 posted on 06/15/2012 8:34:37 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: youngidiot
From the article:
Mr Kogan said it was unlikely that anyone would actually pay the charges. His goal is to encourage users to download a more up-to-date version of Internet Explorer or a different browser.
This is less a "tax" than an encouragement to move to something that actually works.
21 posted on 06/15/2012 8:35:26 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Taxes come from governments not private retailers.


22 posted on 06/15/2012 8:36:20 AM PDT by ThomasThomas (I have drunk water from a garden hose and survived!)
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To: ThomasThomas

Good point. That’s probably why the word “tax” is in quotes.


23 posted on 06/15/2012 8:38:55 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
"Mr Kogan said that even though only 3% of his customers used the old version of the browser, his IT team had become pre-occupied with making adaptations to make pages display properly on IE 7."

Stupid programmers... I would have ordered them to just pop up a message saying YOU NEED A NEWER BROWSER VERSION. Done

24 posted on 06/15/2012 8:40:40 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Mr. K

Perfect solution. But it wouldn’t have made the news or garnered the publicity. :)


25 posted on 06/15/2012 8:42:17 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: The_Victor
Exactly. I've talked to our IT guy about this in depth. We are a multinational who relies extensively on the web interface for sales, procurement and communication with all or our international affiliates.

We never go out and buy the latest version of Windows. Microsoft is still working with bugs and patches almost until the next edition is rolled out. We will often even skip an upgrade until an even better version is available. We are still using XP as well and will probably upgrade with Explorer 10 comes out according to our IT guys.

The racket of making you install new software and buy new hardware every couple years is expensive and unnecessary. We run on 4-5 year purchase cycles and it works just fine for us.

26 posted on 06/15/2012 8:43:00 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: The_Victor

Also, some users may be on corporate computers where they don’t have access to install or upgrade software.


27 posted on 06/15/2012 8:44:15 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: ShadowAce

They can run their business however they want ... but whenever I hit a website that doesn’t support whatever browser I’m using at the time, I usually don’t return.


28 posted on 06/15/2012 8:44:15 AM PDT by DesertSapper (Allen West for VP.)
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To: Vigilanteman

I am working on a corporate conversion from XP to Win7. They had to package over 14,000 pieces of software for approved corporate installs on Win7.


29 posted on 06/15/2012 8:48:35 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: ShadowAce

What a pinhead move....I’d abandon my cart right there.


30 posted on 06/15/2012 8:49:16 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: ShadowAce
This is less a "tax" than an encouragement to move to something that actually works.

So this IS more of a tax in the modern sense of the word. Using penalties to induce someone to behave differently. I still think it's a bad idea and could have been handled differently. It's popular with people who have an ax to grind against someone (Microsoft). Then again, all good "taxes" are.
31 posted on 06/15/2012 8:50:12 AM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: ShadowAce

“Mr Kogan said it was unlikely that anyone would actually pay the charges.”

Damn right. If I saw that notice, I just wouldn’t shop at his website, so I wouldn’t have to pay any charges.


32 posted on 06/15/2012 8:51:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: bigbob

How about a general Windows [virus magnet] tax and be done with it? /shameless Linux/Apple geek


33 posted on 06/15/2012 9:06:36 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: ShadowAce

I use Firefox. No worries!


34 posted on 06/15/2012 9:21:54 AM PDT by Conservative_Jedi (Give me Liberty or give me Death!!)
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To: ShadowAce

As a QA guy who hates the monotony of compatibility testing (same test different browser, and again, and again) I am for this.


35 posted on 06/15/2012 9:24:49 AM PDT by discostu (Listen, do you smell something?)
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To: Vigilanteman
Unless his website or offerings are extra special, his customers will just move to competitors rather than paying the surcharge.

Or they could click one of the provided links and download Chrome, Firefox or Opera.

Or they could just open the respective browser that they already have installed anyway.

This isn't 1995. Everybody knows they aren't limited to a single browser.

36 posted on 06/15/2012 9:33:39 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: The_Victor
In some cases the upgrade of Explorer isn't supported unless you upgrade Windows. For instance Windows XP users cannot upgrade to Explorer 9. At work, I'm stuck with Explorer 8 because my company hasn't upgraded past XP. Probably similar issues for people who haven't upgraded from older versions of Windows.

Uh, getting a newer version of Destroyer isn't really an upgrade; I think he's talking about downloading a different browser. There's plenty of good browsers out there that aren't malware magnets, and give a better and more configurable browsing experience to boot.

37 posted on 06/15/2012 9:39:34 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Lazamataz

I’m using Telnet.


38 posted on 06/15/2012 9:41:41 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: The_Victor
For instance Windows XP users cannot upgrade to Explorer 9. At work, I'm stuck with Explorer 8 because my company hasn't upgraded past XP.

Not a problem. Modern versions of Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera will run just fine on XP. And all work better than IE 8.

39 posted on 06/15/2012 9:43:21 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes, they could, and sure, everyone knows that. Still, I would refuse to patronize him simply to punish his arrogance, and I doubt I am alone. Remember, the customer is always right, even when they really are completely wrong.


40 posted on 06/15/2012 9:54:47 AM PDT by Boogieman
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I don’t know if this is the answer, but it is an approach to the problem.

Microsoft intentionally tries to do things that - if a website works for them - will not work for other browsers. Their stated goal some time back was to replace non-proprietary code with their proprietary code. Javascript for example.

MS purpose was that since they have the major market share developers had to develop for IE, and would be more likely not to do what it then took to make it work for standards compliant browsers - thus making those users switch thinking their browsers were deficient. When it was MS causing the problem.

When I was developing this was a major source of problems and frustration.

The solution is for MS to make browsers that are compliant enabling developers to code to a standard and the internet to work for all browsers.

There may be other and better solutions, but whatever forces encourage MS to not try to own the internet via their current method is a good thing IMHO.


41 posted on 06/15/2012 9:56:06 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Boogieman
I don't think people are married to their browsers.

How long have you been married to yours?

42 posted on 06/15/2012 10:02:41 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m a polygamist, I use Chrome, Firefox and Safari.


43 posted on 06/15/2012 10:05:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Boogieman
I’m using Telnet.

Consider an upgrade to w3m.


44 posted on 06/15/2012 10:20:48 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Boogieman

Showoff.


45 posted on 06/15/2012 10:43:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: cynwoody
I actually *do* use lynx to perform my ping list management.
46 posted on 06/15/2012 11:15:15 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: D-fendr
The solution is for MS to make browsers that are compliant enabling developers to code to a standard and the internet to work for all browsers.

Rumor has it that IE 9 was a major revamp, featuring tight standards compliance and vastly improved JavaScript performance. But I wouldn't know, because I'm too cheap to spring for Windows 7.

47 posted on 06/15/2012 12:05:57 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I’m not. I have 4 different browsers installed on this machine, that I use for different purposes. The thing is, I choose when I want to use those browsers, not some jackass running a webstore. As I said, I’d refuse to patronize him because of his arrogance, not because I am too lazy to switch to the other browser.


48 posted on 06/15/2012 4:12:31 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: cynwoody

Hmm, but can I play MUDs on that?


49 posted on 06/15/2012 4:15:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Sounds like principle for the sake of... nothing.


50 posted on 06/15/2012 4:43:34 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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