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Here's Everything You Need To Know About Microsoft's Big Windows 8 Announcements This Week
Business Insider ^ | 06/18/2012 | Steve Kovach

Posted on 06/18/2012 9:15:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

This is going to be a huge week for Microsoft. Today, the company is expected to announce its first tablet, which will be designed to compete with the iPad.

On Wednesday, we're expecting Microsoft to give us details on the next major version of its Windows Phone operating, which will likely be very similar to Windows 8.

Here's you need to know:

* Microsoft will announce its own tablet. This will be the first time Microsoft builds the hardware and software for a tablet.

* The tablet will run a special version of Windows 8 called "Windows RT." Windows RT is designed to run on devices with ARM processors. Those are the same types of processors found in smartphone and tablets (like the iPad) today. Windows RT won't be able today's traditional Windows apps, only apps from the Windows 8 app store.

* Microsoft may also announce a tablet that runs the full version of Windows 8. According to All Things D, there's a possibility Microsoft will announce a tablet powered by processors that allow it to run the full version of Windows 8. That means you'll be able to access the Windows 7-like desktop mode and run older Windows apps.

* There's a rumor Barnes & Noble will be involved (but don't believe it). According to TechCrunch, Microsoft's tablet announcement will be for a Nook-branded device made by Barnes & Noble. Microsoft recently invested $300 million in Barnes & Noble, so it's possible. However, Barnes & Noble shot down the Nook rumor.

* Microsoft may show off the next version of Windows Phone on Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Society
KEYWORDS: hitech; ipad; microsoft; mobile; tablet; windows8
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1 posted on 06/18/2012 9:15:51 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 06/18/2012 9:16:30 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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3 posted on 06/18/2012 9:17:57 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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4 posted on 06/18/2012 9:18:51 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: SeekAndFind
THE WINDOWS 8 METRO INTERFACE...


When you log in, the first thing you see is the Metro interface.

Metro is the tile based interface that represents the new face of Windows 8.

Remember that it is Metro, and not the desktop, that is the underlying platform, or OS, in this release. As such, the desktop is conceptually considered just another app.

Metro moves horizontally and you can move the tiles around by holding down on a tile until you see a check-mark and then moving it into place elsewhere on the screen.

The tiles also can be configured to continuously display live updates.

It takes a while to get used to the tiles but it's an original, glossy representation of Windows applications.
5 posted on 06/18/2012 9:19:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: SeekAndFind
* Microsoft may also announce a tablet that runs the full version of Windows 8.

However, it will be slightly heaver than an iPad.


6 posted on 06/18/2012 9:20:04 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: SeekAndFind

What’s “Barnes & Noble?”


7 posted on 06/18/2012 9:20:41 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: SeekAndFind
Microsoft will announce its own tablet. This will be the first time Microsoft builds the hardware and software for a tablet.

Will be interesting if anyone comes up with a "Monopoly" or "anti-competitive" class action lawsuit. It's hard to compete in the marketplace with an entity that can charge you $85 for WinRT while their cost is Zero - yet you all have similar hardware costs. The $85 per unit cost savings places MSFT at what some would call an unfair advantage.

Now, if MSFT were the sole purveyor of these WinRT tablets, one could argue that they are merely another Apple type of supplier. But, unlike Apple, MSFT is selling their OS to tier suppliers such as Dell, HP and others.

8 posted on 06/18/2012 9:21:12 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: SeekAndFind

Going on record as saying I’m not thrilled about this. MS is designing an OS around tablets and smartphones, and while is probably in their best interest for the current market, leaving desktop and laptop users out of the mix might be seen as a move to force people on to tablets and smartphones.

Mea culpa: I completely understand that there will be a standard MAK desktop available, but according to my sources, it will not be enabled by default. This, I believe, will change before release, or the installation option for OEM/retail disk packages will be guided to allow the user to choose their default input option. Windows 7 does this to a lesser degree by having tablet support enabled by default.

Overall, Microsoft is getting better with their operating systems, but they are trying to cater to too many market segments at a time. Windows RT sounds too much like CE to me, and we all know how well that did.


9 posted on 06/18/2012 9:23:31 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When do we see the first patch?


10 posted on 06/18/2012 9:24:37 AM PDT by steve8714 (Who didn't already know Obama was our first gay President?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Windows 8 is going to be train wreck. I can’t see business adopting this without undergoing some painful reworking of procedures and training.


11 posted on 06/18/2012 9:26:28 AM PDT by Edward Teach
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To: dinodino
What’s “Barnes & Noble?”

A bookseller. They are saying that WinRT may have the Barnes and Noble "Nook" e-reader software built into the OS, thus allowing them to compete against the iPad (iBooks, Kindle and Nook e-reader software) as well as the entrenched Kindle and Nook e-readers.

I flatly do not know if the Kindle supports the Nook e-reader, or if the Nook allows you to load the Kindle e-reader software (although I doubt they would). I do know that neither the Kindle nor the Nook have iBooks (Apple's e-reader); and that the Apple iPad has apps availble for Kindle and Nook.

Kinda surprised that MSFT isn't hopping on the book retailer bandwagon like Apple did.

12 posted on 06/18/2012 9:27:04 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: Hodar

Suits under the Sherman Antitrust Act have nothing to do with profit margins...only market share. While loosely defined in the Act, subsequent interpretations suggest that you need to have 2/3 of the market to be considered a monopoly. MS is a LONG way from having that. Indeed, I doubt they will ever have that kind of share in the tablet market.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 9:27:29 AM PDT by econjack
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To: SeekAndFind
"When you log in, the first thing you see is the Metro interface."

When you "log in" to what? I've heard that it will be necessary to "log in" to some microsoft site just to be able to use the OS. If that's true I'll stick with Windows 7 forever.

14 posted on 06/18/2012 9:28:10 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: Hodar

I was actually being facetious. Brick-and-mortar bookstores (B&N et al.) are dinosaurs. Figures that Microsoft teamed up with them.


15 posted on 06/18/2012 9:29:38 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: SeekAndFind

IOW this author is wasting our time with mere guessing.


16 posted on 06/18/2012 9:29:59 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: econjack
Suits under the Sherman Antitrust Act have nothing to do with profit margins...only market share

That may or may not be true. I'm not a lawyer. But, when I used to work for Intel; Intel made processors and chipsets. Intel stated categorically that although they made motherboards and the processors that went with them, they had no interest at all in putting them together in a box and making a PC - due to anti-trust and anti-competitive allegatiosn that would surely follow. To this day, Intel makes chipsets and processors - yet will NEVER put them in a box and sell that box to the consumer.

17 posted on 06/18/2012 9:31:36 AM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ugh!

I don’t use any of the content of those tiles in the course of my day other than perhaps messaging and presumably Windows Explorer in order to find everything else I’m going to need.

Is there a way to configure that interface for those of us who use a computer as a tool and not as an entertainment device?


18 posted on 06/18/2012 9:34:38 AM PDT by chrisser (Starve the Monkeys!)
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To: dinodino

microsoft bough the nook device.

They don’t need the bricks.


19 posted on 06/18/2012 9:34:46 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Edward Teach
...Windows 8 is going to be train wreck.

I agree. I've been working with the Beta for Visual Studio and it was bundled with W8. I hated it so much, I took it off my system. My biggest complaint is that the op system is so dumbed down that I can't get anything done. (I do a lot of program development.) What takes a few clicks in W7 takes 5 times the effort with W8. I can't even imagine someone who is a casual Windows user wading through the interface trying to get to their word processor. Gees, even Microsoft's Bob op system made more sense than this one does.

20 posted on 06/18/2012 9:35:20 AM PDT by econjack
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To: Hodar
Nook e-readers

LOL...sorry...can't help myself...but Nook e-readers is somewhat of a double entendre.

21 posted on 06/18/2012 9:37:24 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Although I detest the Metro color scheme (hope they allow it to be customized), I am SLOWLY warming to the Metro App screen...but it’s been long coming - many a night spent cursing at the screen, trying to figure out how to open and close apps.
They really should place a tile on the Metro screen with a how-to video entitled WATCHMEFIRST, or something like that.


22 posted on 06/18/2012 9:38:25 AM PDT by mkleesma (`Call to me, and I will answer you and tell you great and unsearchable things you do not know.')
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Any predictions, based on past tech timelines, when Windows Phone 8 will be available at the consumer level?

I’m limping by with the electronic equivalent of two tin cans and a string right now....


23 posted on 06/18/2012 9:41:50 AM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: SeekAndFind









Here's Everything You Need To Know About Microsoft's Big Windows 8 Announcements This Week










24 posted on 06/18/2012 9:48:22 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Think of it as just one great, big blue tile.


25 posted on 06/18/2012 9:49:20 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: SeekAndFind

Message to Microsoft: 80% of us are NOT habitual upgraders (witness the 19 inch TV with the rotary tuning dials which sat in my living room until guys like you forced my hand by taking television digital).

I would add “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it”, except this IS Microsoft we’re talking about.


26 posted on 06/18/2012 9:49:20 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind

SO, if the content on the tiles is dynamic, that means CONSTANT data traffic, LOTS of apps running: short battery life and a heavy duty data plan commitment/WiFi discipline.

AND, it’s MS.

Gotta love my Samsung Android devices.


27 posted on 06/18/2012 10:01:36 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: SeekAndFind

Start Barfing.

Bye Windows. I’ll stay with everything up to 7. That, and I don’t want to be forced to log in to email just to use an operating system. Screw that.


28 posted on 06/18/2012 10:04:50 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Hodar
Intel makes chipsets and processors - yet will NEVER put them in a box and sell that box to the consumer.

If I were them, I wouldn't either because they would likely come close to the 2/3 market share. I think things get a little fuzzy when one of their chips is second-sourced, like AMD has with many of the Intel chips. While AMD licenses the microcode from Intel, Justice might argue that Intel still benefits from AMD's sales and, therefore, AMD's market share should be counted in some way as part of Intel's, too. Also, Intel's strength is in chip development and likely doesn't want the thin margins found in the box maker's market.

29 posted on 06/18/2012 10:04:50 AM PDT by econjack
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To: SeekAndFind

iZune


30 posted on 06/18/2012 10:49:24 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Edward Teach
I think Windows 8 is going to be train wreck. I can’t see business adopting this without undergoing some painful reworking of procedures and training.

This. Win 8 is cartoonish crap. In a word: "non-professional"

31 posted on 06/18/2012 10:55:19 AM PDT by Noumenon (If people saw socialists for what they truly are, slaughter would ensue - in self-defense.)
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This. Win 8 is cartoonish crap. In a word: "non-professional"

Disagree. And, I'm a tech professional.

Win 8 is different, but, not drastically different. It just "looks different", with the underlying code, and most of the applications remaining intact.

It just takes a little getting used to, but, once you do, it'll be hard going back to the older UI for Windows. Windows 8 actually simplifies things, believe it or not.
32 posted on 06/18/2012 11:10:03 AM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno

I have 7 on my laptop and hate it. It is a resource hog that uses twice what XP used. Having said that, there was room for improvement, but overall XP has been the least trouble for me.

And I agree with the other poster who said this is the nudge to tablets..


33 posted on 06/18/2012 11:26:51 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Do I really need a /s tag?)
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To: adorno

You sound like a “progressive”. A Microsoft-funded progressive.


34 posted on 06/18/2012 11:36:33 AM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lame on a tablet, even lamer on a desktop. Apparently they’ve run fresh out of good ideas and this is the crap we’re stuck with. Sorry, if that’s the best you can do, I ain’t buying it. Do they hand you a $50 check with every copy, uh, “sold”?


35 posted on 06/18/2012 11:46:33 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: SeekAndFind

From the look of it, I’m assuming ‘Metro’ refers to the metro-sexuals who will adopt this?


36 posted on 06/18/2012 11:58:00 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: cardinal4

If Microsoft would release an updated OP, “XP 2012”, and it was Windows XP with updates to drivers and any security holes, I’d bet on HUGE sales.

I know I’d buy it in a heartbeat. I’d pay well over the Windows 7 or 8 price...


37 posted on 06/18/2012 12:13:57 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: steve86
You sound like a “progressive”. A Microsoft-funded progressive.

So, what system or OS should I be supporting or liking, in order to sound like a conservative or a republican?

You don't sound like a conservative. You sound like an idiot.

I had no idea that, having a preference for an OS or a tech option, that one could determine the political leaning of a person. When it comes to technical matters, and as a professional, I tend to go with what works, and that includes many different companies and software.

If I liked any automobile from GM, would that make me a communist?

I'd be willing to bet that, I'm a lot more conservative than you, and a lot smarter too, as witnessed by your post above.
38 posted on 06/18/2012 12:59:58 PM PDT by adorno
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To: JOAT
From the look of it, I’m assuming ‘Metro’ refers to the metro-sexuals who will adopt this?

I suppose that, anybody that lives in a "metro"polis, is also a metrosexual, by your extended definition?

In due time, perhaps 2 or 3 years, the 600 million people that will have moved on to the "metro" interface, will also have become metrosexuals. Is that about right?

Some FR members, such as you, aren't really using their heads. You're probably a regular on the DU, and Huffpo, and MoveOn, with that kind of logic, which is no logic at all.
39 posted on 06/18/2012 1:07:10 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno; steve86
You sound like a “progressive”. A Microsoft-funded progressive.


So, what system or OS should I be supporting or liking, in order to sound like a conservative or a republican?

You don't sound like a conservative. You sound like an idiot.

This is why we should all strive to keep the name-calling out of these tech threads. Once it starts, it rarely gets better.

We need to remember that it is always better to comment on the tech itself, rather than make generalizations about the users of said tech.

I could say that the new interface appears to me to be rather infantile. I wouldn't say that only infantile people would use it. Flame the tech, not the user.

40 posted on 06/18/2012 2:18:33 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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I could say that the new interface appears to me to be rather infantile.

How so?

I realize you have a CYA word in your comment, like "could", which would make it "not a definite" on your side, but, perhaps that is how you feel. So, what part of the interface makes it "infantile"? Remember that, all kinds of tech savvy people like to point at how simple Apple makes things by taking the thinking out of the hands and minds of it gadget customers, so, why would making things "simple" to use be "infantile" instead of simple or user-friendly?
41 posted on 06/18/2012 2:28:29 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
I realize you have a CYA word in your comment, like "could", which would make it "not a definite" on your side, but, perhaps that is how you feel. So, what part of the interface makes it "infantile"?

Ha! Ya noticed my weasel word. From what I've seen and heard of it, it doesn't look like something that would suit the way I work. I'm a Unix/Linux, not Mac guy. I like multiple desktops spread across multiple monitors to allow me to move from program to program quickly and efficiently. No current (or from the looks of things, planned) version of MS-Windows suits the way I work. Every time I have to use a windows computer, it makes me feel like I'm being handcuffed when I want to do actual work, so I'm not really a good choice of a person to give an opinion one way or the other on the new interface, because until someone holds a gun to my head, I won't use it beyond possibly installing a copy of vmware workstation on it so I can load up a real OS and get some work done.

My previous post was really just an example. I really dislike the name-calling that many of these tech threads degenerate into. I don't think it serve any valid purpose I can see. I don't care what type of computer you use, as long as you're not interested in forcing me to use it. I'd like people to focus on the tech and not make it personal. It's difficult though, because a lot of people (on each side) can sometimes have too much invested ni their own personal choices, and take an attack on their tech as an attack on themselves, when it probably wasn't meant as such.

42 posted on 06/18/2012 3:36:11 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: adorno
You're probably a regular on the DU, and Huffpo, and MoveOn, with that kind of logic, which is no logic at all.

Standard dumb ass reply.

You don't like my comment so you call me a "liberal."

Really? Are you posting from mommy's basement?

Dream on with your 600 million adoption figure, this metrosexual interface is destined to join WinCE, WinME and Vista in the MS halls of shame.

43 posted on 06/18/2012 3:45:40 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: zeugma
I'm a Unix/Linux, not Mac guy.

There appears to be quite a bit more to W8 than just the RT/Metro interface.

I'd think a Unix/Linux guy would be more interested 2012 Server Core.

44 posted on 06/18/2012 4:04:00 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: martin_fierro
> Think of it as just one great, big blue tile.

No, no, that's the name of the IBM tablet.

Oh, wait.... yeah, didn't they used to make computers?

45 posted on 06/18/2012 6:14:23 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: zeugma
> ...the new interface appears to me to be rather infantile...

And that's why it'll do well with the "dumbed-down" young-and-modern crowd Microsoft is aiming this tablet at.

This is not an interface for business professionals, much less computer tech types.

This is an interface for kids, and by that I include up to about age 30.

Personally I hate it on a desktop or laptop. But on a tablet it has a decent chance of success precisely because it is infantile.

46 posted on 06/18/2012 6:21:00 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: JOAT
Standard dumb ass reply.

Sure, you call me a progressive, and that's not a dumbass comment from your puny brain? Ever hear of the kettle calling the pot black?

You don't like my comment so you call me a "liberal."

So, calling me a progressive is okay, but, I can't call you a liberal. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

Really? Are you posting from mommy's basement?

Considering that, there are no basements in Florida, that would be highly unlikely; further considering that, I never lived in a basement, and I've been out of my "mommy's home" for over 45 years, then the answer to your dumb question is a resounding, NO!!!.

Now, considering the contents of your posts, it's very likely that, the one with the 10 year old mind, and still living with mommy, is you. So, again, like a typical liberal, you accuse others of what you do.

Dream on with your 600 million adoption figure, this metrosexual interface is destined to join WinCE, WinME and Vista in the MS halls of shame.

600 million is the number of licenses that MS sold for Windows 7, and, with Windows 8, expectations/predictions are for that number to easily be surpassed, especially when the form factors now include smartphones and tablets and desktops and laptops and ultrabooks.

No doubt, you are one of the low percentage of people who would like for Microsoft to fail, for no reason other than, not liking Microsoft and/or Windows.
47 posted on 06/18/2012 6:24:52 PM PDT by adorno
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To: zeugma
Nobody would or can ever force you to use a piece of software or hardware, but, if you're going to offer what, even remotely sounds like an opinion, then, people might want to know why you feel that way, and so, I had to ask.

Now, hopefully you noticed that, in my exchange with that other poster, I didn't start the negative tone, or with the insults.

One thing I've learned, through life, is that, just taking the insults and the punishment that others might dish out, could serve as encouragement for them to dish out more of it. That's how liberals behave, and I've learned that, sometimes, you need to get in the gutter with them in order to equalize them and to let them know that, they ain't going to get away with much. Insults are my last resort, but, only when someone else starts it out of desperation of not being able to make their case.
48 posted on 06/18/2012 6:33:22 PM PDT by adorno
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To: steve86

It merely sounded like a technical opinion.


49 posted on 06/18/2012 7:52:05 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Cogito Ergo Doleo Soetoro, ABO and of course FUBO!)
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To: adorno
Wow. Your debating skills are legendary.

I really am in awe.

You've convinced me, Windows 8 is the best OS mankind will ever see.

50 posted on 06/18/2012 10:28:10 PM PDT by JOAT
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