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Obama attorneys argue he's not Dem nominee (Klayman Florida NBC ballot challenge)
WND ^ | June 18, 2012 | Unattributed

Posted on 06/18/2012 11:20:25 AM PDT by Seizethecarp

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Attorneys arguing on behalf of Barack Obama’s re-election plans today urged a Florida judge to decide that Obama is not yet the Democratic nominee for president and ignore evidence challenging his eligibility.

The arguments were raised by attorney Mark Herron on behalf of Obama in a hearing before Judge Terry Lewis in Florida, who is best known for presiding over the 2000 Bush v. Gore election dispute.

Lewis is credited with making crucial rulings in the contested 2000 presidential election when ultimately a Florida recount was halted by the U.S. Supreme Court, and George W. Bush was declared the winner.

Herron argued the Florida process affirms only that Obama is the choice in the state’s presidential preference primary but is not necessarily the party’s nominee for president.

But the judge noted that the party wrote to Florida’s secretary of state a letter indicating Obama’s name was the only one submitted, and he thought the state’s electors were bound to vote for him.

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The case was well-argued by Klayman. Obama's attorney's basically argued there is no opportunity for any court to review the eligibility of the nominee of a party for president, which Klayman argued could not have been the intent of the drafters of either the US or FL constitutions.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 11:20:34 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

Video of the hearing:

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/06/florida-obama-ballot-access-hearing.html


2 posted on 06/18/2012 11:23:13 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

See tag line.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 11:23:48 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: Seizethecarp; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...

4 posted on 06/18/2012 11:24:25 AM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Seizethecarp; Revolting cat!
Mr. Present-dent
5 posted on 06/18/2012 11:24:42 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: Seizethecarp

An easy prediction: the MSM will find none of the arguments presented by the Obama team as even a little bit odd or of any interest whatsoever.


6 posted on 06/18/2012 11:24:48 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: Seizethecarp

If Obama IS eligible to be President, why is his attorney fighting so hard to get the challenge thrown out? THAT is the question.


7 posted on 06/18/2012 11:25:19 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
Standard legal tactic. Why put yourself at any risk for an adverse ruling when you can get the whole thing tossed, even if temporarily, on a "standing" issue.
8 posted on 06/18/2012 11:26:51 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: kevkrom
So much for

TRANSPARENCY

9 posted on 06/18/2012 11:29:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The media ignored the 40th anniversary of Bill Ayers' Pentagon bombing but not Watergate. Ask Why.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost; Seizethecarp; Carry_Okie; Brown Deer; a fool in paradise; InterceptPoint; ..
If Obama IS eligible to be President, why is his attorney fighting so hard to get the challenge thrown out? THAT is the question.

If Obama IS eligible to be President, why should he do anything in a low level court that could jeopardize it?

If Obama IS NOT eligible to be President, why should he do anything in a low level court that could jeopardize it?

Like kevkrom says, "Standard Legal Tactic." The lawyers would be incompetent if they did anything differently.

10 posted on 06/18/2012 11:33:38 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: kevkrom

But why give the appearance of impropriety? The negative overtone is deafening.


11 posted on 06/18/2012 11:39:58 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: a fool in paradise
OPAQUENESS
12 posted on 06/18/2012 11:42:33 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Seizethecarp

Why doesn’t the attorney ask BO’s attorney “Is Obama eligible to be President?”

I would love to hear the spin coming out of his mouth avoiding the question completely! In a courtroom, the lawyer would have to state the truth or ignore the question - thus dance around it!


13 posted on 06/18/2012 11:43:24 AM PDT by jcsjcm (This country was built on exceptionalism and individualism. In God we Trust - Laus Deo)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

That was my reaction as well. Just prove up that he’s eligible and be done with it.


14 posted on 06/18/2012 11:45:05 AM PDT by NEMDF
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To: sam_paine
I've said all along that Obama probably was born in Hawaii. He just wants to show he is bigger than the U.S. Constitution.

The thought of him being thrown off the Florida ballot, however, makes me snicker in eager anticipation.

Can you imagine the resources the Democrats will have to spend in educating the average Flori-DUH voter who can't mark a butterfly ballot on how to actually do a write-in?

15 posted on 06/18/2012 11:45:38 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Liz; rodguy911; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; ...

...Ping!


16 posted on 06/18/2012 11:45:56 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

AND if little barry bastard commie is not the nominee of the democrat party, why is there a staff of attorney drones trying to stop any challenges to his eligibility on the Floriduh ballot?


17 posted on 06/18/2012 11:48:29 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m waiting for the day that Kenyan turd blossom is standing before a military tribunal to answer for his treasonous crimes.


18 posted on 06/18/2012 11:50:04 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: mkjessup

We can then call him OFiringSquadula.


19 posted on 06/18/2012 11:55:02 AM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Seizethecarp
So the judge should say “OK then, IF he becomes Dem. candidate I want to see a real birth certificate AND his parents, to determine eligibility, and see if he was born here, or if his parents were NOT US CITIZENS at the time of his birth”

Put it right back on the defense lawyers to put up or shut up- don't let them weasel out of it with this.

20 posted on 06/18/2012 11:57:52 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
But why give the appearance of impropriety? The negative overtone is deafening.

That's where the Media come in.

"Court case? What court case? There's a court case? No, there isn't. That's just your standard way of deflecting attention from the real issues, such as your loathsome practice of stealing black babies, raping them, killing them, and then roasting and eating them. How long have you been doing this? What did black babies ever do to you? Come on, speak up and quit trying to duck the issue! STOP with the denials!!"

21 posted on 06/18/2012 11:58:05 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Vigilanteman

There’s something obviously fishy about the guy.

But I’ve said all along that I really didn’t care WHERE he was born. Bill Ayers was (probably) a natural born citizen but he has no business being ELECTED president....(and for the damn nitpickers, if he wasn’t, please use your own example to make my point!) =)

Whether or not the guy’s a Natural Born Citizen, he’s obviously ANTI-AMERICAN!

The problem is not as much a usurper sneaking in on the sly, as it’s a outwardly redistributionist, anticapitalist, anti-constitutional Marxist willingly being supported by 2 out of 5 of AMERICANS to this very day!


22 posted on 06/18/2012 12:01:09 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: Vigilanteman
I've said all along that Obama probably was born in Hawaii.

Well even if he was born in Hawaii, that doesn't make him a Natural Born Citizen, unless he presents [legitimate] proof that his father was a US citizen at the time of his birth - (that rules out 0bama Sr.)

The voters in every state have the right to know that the candidates they vote for are qualified for the office they seek, otherwise the voter becomes disenfranchised. To that end, the Sec of State, of whomever is charged with overseeing elections, had better have irrefutable proof (not some photoshopped fake BC) that Hussein qualifies as "Natural Born".

23 posted on 06/18/2012 12:06:25 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: Seizethecarp
Obama's attorney's basically argued there is no opportunity for any court to review the eligibility of the nominee of a party for president, which Klayman argued could not have been the intent of the drafters

So Klayman is insisting that, because the Constitution was written before there were parties and therefore before there were nominations, that only Congress can review the eligibility of a successful candidate for the Presidency, and then only after the electors have affirmed his election?

So an ineligible person like Obama runs the entire course, wins election, is elected by the Electoral College -- and then and only then can the Congress interpose and reject the candidate who is ineligible under Article II?

Is that about the argument?

24 posted on 06/18/2012 12:08:36 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Seizethecarp
But the judge noted that the party wrote to Florida’s secretary of state a letter indicating Obama’s name was the only one submitted, and he thought the state’s electors were bound to vote for him.

Yeah submitted by the DNC or Demo National Committee to the SoS without regard to Florida law or without Florida having a chance to vote for other Dem candidates.

25 posted on 06/18/2012 12:14:33 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: lentulusgracchus

“So Klayman is insisting that, because the Constitution was written before there were parties and therefore before there were nominations, that only Congress can review the eligibility of a successful candidate for the Presidency, and then only after the electors have affirmed his election?”

No, Klayman, representing the eligibility activist, is arguing against that position, which was taken by Obama’s attorneys.


26 posted on 06/18/2012 12:19:15 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Vigilanteman
The judge questioned Klayman if he allows the original compliant to be amended, over the objections of the OBot lawyers, that Obama was born outside of the United States does he have the evidence?

Klayman: Yes I do.

27 posted on 06/18/2012 12:35:36 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: InterceptPoint

Wow, you are really going out on a limb on that prediction aren’t you?

If this were over principles I could see the resistance to provide proper documentation. It is not though. It is just like so many other things with this guy... it is the law and he ignores it and GETS BY WITH BREAKING THE LAW.

He ridicules anyone who calls him on it.

We are living a nightmare. It can’t be anything else. My wife’s assertion that we are seeing end time prophecy full-filled is becoming more plausible every passing day. Right is wrong and wrong is right now.


28 posted on 06/18/2012 12:39:26 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (You've been screwed by your government.)
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To: kevkrom

“Standard legal tactic. Why put yourself at any risk for an adverse ruling when you can get the whole thing tossed, even if temporarily, on a “standing” issue.”

Seems like a high risk here for the defense. Seems like it could be ruled that Obama, for all intents and purposes, is the nominee.


29 posted on 06/18/2012 12:42:42 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (No matter how cynical you get, it's never enough to keep up.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; Vigilanteman
Exactly! The operative question:

WHO'S YOUR DADDY?

30 posted on 06/18/2012 12:45:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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31 posted on 06/18/2012 12:51:04 PM PDT by devolve (------ ---- ---------toss_subhumans_in_Hannibal*s_wild_boar_pit----------- ---------------------)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

I do not in any way consider myself a birther. My concern has alway been the odd way Obama continually ducks providing the necessary evidence that would establish his eligibility. I don’t know where Obama was born, but wouldn’t it just be much simpler to pay the 25 bucks to get a certified copy from Hawaii and be done with all of this. The extent that he, and his surrogates go to to avoid showing proof of eligibility (which is mandated by the Constitution, by the way), tends to make me believe that he is not eligible. What I guess I am saying, is that I don’t listen to Donald Trump or Orly or anyone else. I just watch Obama, and he is clearly being evasive. The burden of proof is on him, and him alone.


32 posted on 06/18/2012 12:57:28 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: mkjessup
I’m waiting for the day that Kenyan turd blossom is standing before a military tribunal to answer for his treasonous crimes.

So Master Barry...where you lying before or are you lying now..?

33 posted on 06/18/2012 1:05:24 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: a fool in paradise; All

34 posted on 06/18/2012 1:13:46 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Red Steel
The judge questioned Klayman if he allows the original compliant to be amended, over the objections of the OBot lawyers, that Obama was born outside of the United States does he have the evidence?

Klayman: Yes I do.

Bingo...game set and match.

35 posted on 06/18/2012 1:15:10 PM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: STARWISE; All

36 posted on 06/18/2012 1:17:18 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Seizethecarp

Are these the same guys who claimed President Bill Clinton was protected under the Soldiers and Sailors Relief Act?


37 posted on 06/18/2012 1:42:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: sam_paine

Obama IS running for President in the primaries. He may not have the nomination ywet, but he is running for it. Shouldn’t the voters know whether Obama is eligible to hold the office?


38 posted on 06/18/2012 1:51:38 PM PDT by kabar
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To: lentulusgracchus

The media is responsible for Obama’s illegitimate Presidency. They never vetted him and STILL aren’t.


39 posted on 06/18/2012 1:56:30 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: MHGinTN

How dare you state the obvious. /s


40 posted on 06/18/2012 1:57:46 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: DarthVader
We can then call him OFiringSquadula.

Oh let us not be hasty, I suggest that we should all be content if 0bama and his Wookie beard end up enjoying the same sort of political retirement that Nikolai and Elena Ceausescu found waiting for them after they left office in Romania in December 1989.

Merry Christmas! :)
41 posted on 06/18/2012 2:03:08 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front!)
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To: mkjessup

OAK-47SendOffula!


42 posted on 06/18/2012 2:07:24 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Seizethecarp
Arizona, Florida, Okalahoma, West Viginia, Texas, Idaho; people all over the country want to know...


WHO REALLY IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

43 posted on 06/18/2012 2:14:00 PM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free, never has been, never will be (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Seizethecarp

“TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Attorneys arguing on behalf of Barack Obama’s re-election plans today urged a Florida judge to decide that Obama is not yet the Democratic nominee for president and ignore evidence challenging his eligibility.”

Any trick they can pull out of the bag. ANYTHING but submit that paper long-form birth certificate to a court of law.

Is there a problem? Submitting a $12 lfbc would be cheaper than arguing.


44 posted on 06/18/2012 2:18:49 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Sequoyah101
Wow, you are really going out on a limb on that prediction aren’t you?

LOL. I'm just naturally a big risk taker.

45 posted on 06/18/2012 2:38:42 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: sam_paine
Like kevkrom says, "Standard Legal Tactic." The lawyers would be incompetent if they did anything differently.

Could be that it's a "Standard Legal Tactic" but those same lawyers are going to back in this same court once Obama in nominated so what have they really gained? I don't buy it. And neither would the Man on the Street if story ever managed to get to him. Which of course it won't.

46 posted on 06/18/2012 2:41:38 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: F15Eagle

Several posters here have said that the legal approach of Bambi’s attorneys would be standard no matter what, but I honestly don’t see how this could be the case if he could easily produce evidence that he was born here. Why not just do it?


47 posted on 06/18/2012 2:42:40 PM PDT by livius
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To: Vigilanteman
Why does it matter where he was born if one of the parents was not a US Citizen? He may very well be a US citizen but we know he isn't a natural born citizen because the baby daddy was a Brit.

It's really just that simple - honest.

The Born in Hawaii meme is a red herring thrown to the masses who wouldn't know Article 2 Sect 1 from a jelly donut. It works really well, wouldn't you say? . .

48 posted on 06/18/2012 2:49:25 PM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: livius

There’s obviously a problem. No one goes to this much trouble for this long when a $12 lfbc submitted to the court would result in a ruling and pretty much the end of all challenges with a precedent.

But he will not submit it to a civilian nor a military court.

There’s a reason. You can take that to the bank.

What that reason is, is unknown. Could be the father, dunno.

But he’s obviously very, very afraid to put it in front of a civilian or military court.

Of course, if he submits a forged document to a court ........


49 posted on 06/18/2012 2:55:57 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Red Steel; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; null and void; Nachum
It seemed to me (maybe wishful thinking) but at the end when the judge requested draft orders for him to use as an aid in preparing his own orders, he was first looking straight at Klayman when he made the request, as though he wanted the draft order from Klayman. Then he seemed to catch himself and to address the request to both sets of attorneys, seeming to be trying to appear balanced.
50 posted on 06/18/2012 2:58:25 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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