Skip to comments.Re-Examining the "Out of Africa" Theory and the Origin of Europeoids in Light of DNA Genealogy
Posted on 06/20/2012 2:19:55 PM PDT by Renfield
Seven thousand five hundred fifty-six (7556) haplotypes of 46 subclades in 17 major haplogroups were considered in terms of their base (ancestral) haplotypes and timespans to their common ancestors, for the purposes of designing of time-balanced haplogroup tree. It was found that African haplogroup A (originated 132,000 ± 12,000 years before present) is very remote time-wise from all other haplogroups, which have a separate common ancestor, named β-haplogroup, and originated 64,000 ± 6000 ybp. It includes a family of Europeoid (Caucasoid) haplogroups from F through T that originated 58,000 ± 5000 ybp. A downstream common ancestor for haplogroup A and β-haplogroup, coined the α-haplogroup emerged 160,000 ± 12,000 ybp. A territorial origin of haplogroups α- and β-remains unknown; however, the most likely origin for each of them is a vast triangle stretched from Central Europe in the west through the Russian Plain to the east and to Levant to the south. Haplogroup B is descended from β-haplogroup (and not from haplogroup A, from which it is very distant, and separated by as much as 123,000 years of lateral mutational evolution) likely migrated to Africa after 46,000 ybp. The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from African haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in Walk through Y FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.
The other 50% of Europeans can trace their DNA to an off-spring of the same fellow that was born a couple thousand years later and that they eventually made their way to Europe through the Middle East.
I read this in his book titled: Origins Of The British
There is an Indian anthropologist (N. Narain) who says that the European homeland is Gansu, China
I read THE book and He said we all originated from that pair in the Garden of Eden.
I’ll take His word over some scientist who has a bias and lack of credibility.
Then, having noted that they could have named the last interglacial (which ended about 114,000 years bp) ~ and the one before that which ended about 228,000 years bp).
The ancestor common to all of us is in that neighborhood, but it's the conditions of the interglacials and the glacial advances and interstdials to made us what we are ~ not just the Toba event ~ which may have been a fizzle anyway.
What about the 6 Eves?
Going back further, both those streams came out of Africa, according to track-back of Y-DNA mutations (passing from father to son).
I read the same book you did and I agree with that Author as well.
I read That book, twice, but still liked “Battlefield Earth” better.
It is necessary for the Younger Dryas to kill them off first.
Even the Chinese are reporting their own origins to the West in the Mongolian plateau above 700 meters (where it's dryer).
With few exceptions there are huge gaps in the record of human occupancy in China ~ but the yangtze and huang ho estuaries were populated mostly by major predators until relatively recent times.
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Thanks Renfield.To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.The Scars of Evolution:"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"
Sorry to see you reject God’s Word on how & where we all began...
Downloading the paper was easy, comprehending it is another matter.
Thanks for the post, very interesting. The point being made is that the “Out of Africa” theory is not data driven, but agenda driven.
No. So sorry. Oldest human bones founding in China, so wassa matta you?
Let’s settle this once and for all. Dress all of the liberal/left university instructors up as monkeys, and put them in the Congo. That way, they’ll serve a purpose.
I personally believe the stories are a metaphor...not to be taken as the literal truth as to what happened. Kinda hard to explain DNA to camel humpers 3000 years ago...
I thought that honor went to Australia, and he was a 7 footer too.
Sort of related here, but has anyone done the DNA testing to tell your ancestry? Is it legit, or something similar to naming a star after your kid/S
I don’t reject God’s word! I agreed that I had read the book (the Bible) and agreed with the Author...capitalized so you would know it was God who I believe authored the Bible.
To a saved person there can be no more wonderful book than that which gives us the words of our Savior.
I will pray for you because you know, eternity happens and where you spend it is up to you.
So before anyone starts flaming away, don’t expect a reply from me. For the truths of the Bible have been written in blood.
Worthless speculation. These studies are founded on the assumption that there was a uniform genome derived from a common ancestor, and that all the descendants of that common ancestor experienced a constant rate of genetic mutation over time, resulting in the variations between haplotypes that we see today. I’m not sure what to call that, but it certainly isn’t science.
>> has anyone done the DNA testing to tell your ancestry? Is it legit [?] <<
Very legit, although it should never be portrayed as a magic bullet to solve genealogical puzzles.
When it comes to the most common test, for the Y-chromosome (male only), potential participants need to be aware that some people never find matches. But for those who do — maybe 2/3 of tested men — it can be quite helpful, even powerful, if used wisely in conjunction with old-fashioned “paper” research.
Disclaimer: I have no relationship with them.
I call BS. How could they overlook the impact of SNP M70 pre-64(K)?
Well at least you’re honest enough to openly reject God’s absolute truth of His inspired word.
Good luck when you face God and his judgement
Yep, if they weren’t served up on local plates first.
Thought you two might be interested to know.
When it comes to science threads there are many posters here who ignore and belittle true believers but...
There is much science in support of the Bible most of which I’ve also encountered here at FreeRepublic. From my FR links page.
101 Evidences for a Young Age of the Earth...And the Universe
Center for Scientific Creation - In the Beginning: Compelling Evidence for Creation and the Flood
Dinosaur Shocker - 68 million year old T Rex w/ red blood cells
New Chromosome Research Undermines Human-Chimp Similarity Claims
Science in the Bible
Testimonies of Scientists Who Believe the Bible
YOU got it right!
Well, I respect your opinion but I think when man wrote the Bible, scientific knowledge was obviously lacking back then...and the 7 day creation etc was what men could accept as reasonable back in those times.
Clearly you lack the ability to grasp the Bible is God’s inspired Word written THROUGH men - i.e. God wrote the Bible perfectly.
That is one of the cornerstones of the Jewish-Christian faith.
That you reject that foundation clearly indicates you reject God.
Good luck with that plan.....just be honest and admit your godless bias upfront.
You can believe in God and think the 7 day creation is nonsense. Show me where the original Bible was sent down by God...it was written by man.
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