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So what have the Romans ever done for us? Ireland's links with the Roman empire are being investi...
Irish Times ^ | Thursday, February 16, 2012 | Anthony King

Posted on 06/20/2012 6:42:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Roman artifacts including coins, glass beads and brooches turn up in many Irish counties, especially in the east.

Cahill Wilson investigated human remains... using strontium and isotope analysis and carbon dating.

Remarkably, this allowed her say where they most likely spent their childhood. One burial site on a low ridge overlooking the sea in Bettystown, Co Meath, was dated to the 5th/6th century AD using radiocarbon dating. Most of the people were newcomers to the area, Cahill Wilson concluded.

The clue was in their teeth. Enamel, one of the toughest substances in our body, completely mineralises around the age of 12 and its composition remains unaltered to the grave and beyond. It is "a snapshot of where you lived up to the age of 12", Wilson explains.

The element strontium (Sr), which is in everything we eat and drink, exists in a number of chemical forms, or isotopes. The ratio of two of these isotopes (87Sr and 86Sr) varies, shifting with the underlying geology, and this too can indicate where the owner of the tooth grew up.

Similarly, the ratio of oxygen isotopes varies with factors such as latitude, topography and hydrological conditions.

"Enough comparative data is available now that we can start to plot and map the ratios to see where people are likely to be from," Cahill Wilson explains. Paired analysis of strontium and oxygen in tooth enamel from a burial in Bettystown revealed that one interred individual grew up in North Africa...

Roman material has been found at Tara and Newgrange, and Roman pottery has been dredged from the River Boyne. A large coastal promontory fort in north Dublin also turned up Roman objects, and Kilkenny hosts a Roman burial site.

(Excerpt) Read more at irishtimes.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
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Full title/subtitle: "So what have the Romans ever done for us? Ireland's links with the Roman empire are being investigated in a new archaeological project in which science plays a large part".


So what have the Romans ever done for us?

1 posted on 06/20/2012 6:42:50 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Well, there is running water and the road system...but nothing else. ;-)


2 posted on 06/20/2012 6:45:27 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
The Romans liked redheads? To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 06/20/2012 6:47:00 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Yes, the Romans did invade Ireland -- And we don't need Roman forts as evidence
by Richard Warner
British Archaeology
May 1996
Tacitus tells us that Agricola, while pondering the invasion of Ireland, had with him an Irish chieftain for use in just such an exercise. At about the same time, Juvenal specifically tells us, Roman 'arms had been taken beyond the shores of Ireland'. The myth of Tuathal connects him to a number of Irish places, some of which have been excavated and have produced Roman material of the late 1st or early 2nd centuries AD. Indeed, the sparse inland distribution of early Roman material matches Tuathal's 'mythical' campaign remarkably well.

We may interpret Tuathal as an exiled warrior/adventurer seizing and keeping power with the aid of Roman arms, who was followed by a number of other exiles with similar support over the next couple of centuries. We can say this because the sites that produce early Roman objects also produce later Roman material. In particular Tara, the midland ritual complex, and Clogher, a northern hillfort, have produced early and late Roman material, but no native objects. Both became capitals of the new ascendancies whose ancient origin-tales derived them, with their armies, from Britain. Cashel, the southern capital of just such a group, has not only produced a stray late Roman brooch, but was named from the Latin castellum.

It is not acceptable to dismiss this concatenation of evidence simply on the grounds that neither a Roman stone fortress nor straight road have been found. Nor may we easily dismiss the extraordinary fact that the material and, to a great extent, social culture of the upper class Irish from the 6th century on owes far more to Roman than to native Irish precursors. To give just two examples among many: the favoured Irish cloak-fastener from the 4th-11th century, the penannular brooch, evolved from a Romano-British brooch; and the early medieval Irish sword was, both in form and in name, a borrowing from that of the Roman army.

4 posted on 06/20/2012 6:47:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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5 posted on 06/20/2012 6:47:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

You mean, Apart from better sanitation and medicine and education and irrigation and public health and roads and a freshwater system and baths and public order... what have the Romans done for us?


6 posted on 06/20/2012 6:48:27 PM PDT by kevao
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To: svcw; kevao

;’)


7 posted on 06/20/2012 6:55:08 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Roman Numerals!

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GhQWeZSg9U


8 posted on 06/20/2012 6:56:22 PM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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Roman Ireland Roman Ireland
by Vittorio Di Martino


9 posted on 06/20/2012 7:00:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: kevao

For the Celts they succeeded in conquering (not the Irish/Scots or the Picts) with hundreds of thousands slaughtered and literally millions enslaved, the price of that progress was very high. Were they alive today one could ask Vercingetorix and Boudica what they thought of Roman civilization.


10 posted on 06/20/2012 7:02:15 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: kevao

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?


11 posted on 06/20/2012 7:25:14 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

Nothing!


12 posted on 06/20/2012 7:38:07 PM PDT by kevao
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To: patton

Roman Meal Bread.


13 posted on 06/20/2012 8:03:28 PM PDT by BipolarBob ("These aren't the droids you're looking for.")
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To: BipolarBob

What the heck is roman meal bread?


14 posted on 06/20/2012 8:16:49 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: SunkenCiv

OBTW, good luck with my teeth - I can’t remember how many countries I lived in before I was 12.


15 posted on 06/20/2012 8:19:52 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: BipolarBob

My wife says I have Roman hands.... :)


16 posted on 06/20/2012 8:56:17 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: SunkenCiv

Gladius is on the wrong [left]side, unless he’s supposed to be a Centurion, and the helmet [leather?] says ‘NO’. No Lorica segmenta or chain mail. the spear’s wrong. Couldn’t they at least have used one of those British re-enactors. their gear is spot on.


17 posted on 06/20/2012 9:03:40 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: kevao

Concrete. Capece?


18 posted on 06/20/2012 9:05:38 PM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thanks for this thread.


19 posted on 06/20/2012 9:09:57 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: patton

:’)


20 posted on 06/21/2012 3:17:46 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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