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Carney: "Bush started Fast and Furious; Obama ended it"
Rush Limbaugh Show | 6/21/12 | Limbaugh

Posted on 06/21/2012 9:55:17 AM PDT by pabianice

Rush just played this tape. Rancid Media is backing Carney. Rush wants to know why Obama is invoking executive privilege if (1) Obama was not involved and/or (2) Obama ended an operation he knew nothing about. Rush: "It's all falling apart for them." CBS forced to report on F&F for first time because of Obama's involvement.


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KEYWORDS: 2deadfeds; 300deadmexicans; atf; banglist; carney; dea; dhs; doj; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; lies; lying; murdergate; obama
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1 posted on 06/21/2012 9:55:22 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Another opportunity to blame Bush. The easy way out for a liar.


2 posted on 06/21/2012 9:58:10 AM PDT by DonkeyBonker
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To: pabianice

Rush also said he thought one of the reasons for invoking executive privilege is to distract attention from the economy. That’s a head scratcher.


3 posted on 06/21/2012 9:58:20 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: pabianice

This is one lie that cannot be allowed to stand.


4 posted on 06/21/2012 10:00:21 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: pabianice

If it was all Bush’s fault, then why withhold documents?


5 posted on 06/21/2012 10:00:47 AM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: pabianice

Ummm....I very seldom defend the MSM but CBS is the only network that HAS been covering F & F. Sheryl Atkinsson has done outstanding work and should be praised for her efforts to get to the truth.

Now, PMSNBC has been a different story and Brian Williams has clearly been dragged, against his will, into even mentioning the story. He appears terrified that he will no longer be Bambi’s favorite lackey!


6 posted on 06/21/2012 10:00:56 AM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: saganite

I agree with Rush on this. I believe it is *one* of the reasons.


7 posted on 06/21/2012 10:02:01 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: pabianice

You gotta be kiddin’ me!??!
This current crop of corrupt officials takes the cake from all I’ve seen. Of course, FDR successfully blamed Hoover for his failings even though his administration admittedly used the same playbook and still came out looking like a hero. But, I wasn’t around back then.


8 posted on 06/21/2012 10:02:42 AM PDT by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: pabianice

If it were Bush’s fault, there would be no basis for invoking “executive privilege”.....


9 posted on 06/21/2012 10:03:19 AM PDT by G Larry (There's no hope of a safe landing when you hire a suicidal pilot!)
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To: pabianice

If that is true, then the documentation would convict Bush and Show Obama is innocent

so.... release the documentation and prove it


10 posted on 06/21/2012 10:03:26 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: pabianice
If someone wants to compare an earlier Bush Administration program that focused on identifying straw buyers and stopping them BEFORE they could take guns to Mexico with an underhanded effort to SUPPLY traceable US guns to Mexico so that the fact could be held up as a reason to curtail citizen gun rights in this country, then they are welcomed to do so, but the corollary does not exist in any fashion for any sane person. This president, his attorney general, his administration, his Democrat enablers, and his complicit media are all ideologues that would sell their mothers and grandmothers down the river (wait, Obama isn't from slave blood so 'down the river' needs to be replaced with something ----"under the bus?") which Obama has already done for his racist (his account) grandmother.

If I ever met one of these media bastards, I'd bust them in the face with my old man fist...it'd take 6 months to heal while I'm in jail, but it would be worth it.

11 posted on 06/21/2012 10:03:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: pabianice
"Bush started Fast and Furious; Obama ended it"

The new mantra. Does not matter if it's true as long as it sticks until election day. They did the same to Sara Palin with her alleged claim that she said she could see Russia from her backyard.

12 posted on 06/21/2012 10:04:29 AM PDT by tsowellfan (Should Obama recuse himself from making any decisions on immigration?)
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To: pabianice

This kid is a bad as Baghdad Bob!


13 posted on 06/21/2012 10:04:34 AM PDT by Internet Walnut
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To: pabianice

This is very easy.

Show us the evidence, or you’re lying.


14 posted on 06/21/2012 10:04:46 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: VikingMom

You’re right. Sherryl Atkinson of CBS, and William Lajeunesse of FOX News have been in the forefront on this story for a long time.


15 posted on 06/21/2012 10:05:22 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: pabianice

In reading some of the older articles about the FF, I realized that the Democrats claimed that Bush started it because he refused to renew the ban on assault weapons. Holder with drew the statements that he made because he knew that they accusations against Bush were just excuses, not valid accusations.

It’s the old, “The Devil Made Me Do It” excuse, Bush being the Devil.


16 posted on 06/21/2012 10:06:54 AM PDT by Eva
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To: pabianice

“CBS forced to report on F&F for first time because of Obama’s involvement.”CBS forced to report on F&F for first time because of Obama’s involvement.”

Not so. CBS has been reporting on it all along. It is NBC which has ignored it.


17 posted on 06/21/2012 10:07:06 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: skeeter

“This is one lie that cannot be allowed to stand.”

the Big Queer Media has been trying to sweep this under the rug, and ignore it, for over a year now. They are losing, and Obama’s involvement means they now must cover it.

But, if you think this is important, you must be a CRAZY PERSON, as one lib told me this morning.

Remember, in the world these people live in, telling the truth about a Democrat is a HATE CRIME.


18 posted on 06/21/2012 10:07:26 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: pabianice
Carney is a lying piece of crap.

Bush's gun running involved TRACEABLE guns which were monitored all the way to their destination for the purpose of catching the big fish.

Obama's gun running involved NO TRACKING of guns for the purpose of escalating violence 'from guns coming from America' to build an excuse for Obama to enact strict assault weapons bans in the U.S.

The differences in method and intent couldn't be more stark.

19 posted on 06/21/2012 10:07:50 AM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: pabianice
Those guys must have had a late night putting this one together.

To quote John Lovitz, “Yeah, that's the ticket”.

20 posted on 06/21/2012 10:08:06 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Zombie is a dead Zombie, oh wait...)
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To: pabianice

They don’t even pretend to be telling the truth anymore.


21 posted on 06/21/2012 10:08:43 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: pabianice
I blame the Roosevelts.


22 posted on 06/21/2012 10:08:50 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: VikingMom

CBS has now locked Sheryl Atkinsson in their basement with only food & water.


23 posted on 06/21/2012 10:09:18 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: pabianice
I just wish everyone would use proper terms in order to distinguish technically being truthful and misleading, versus lying. Carney was talking about "gun walking" which started during the Bush administration and Holder stopped it. That part is technically true. The process of straw purchases, with implanted GPS devices, with arrests as soon as the criminal purchasers walked out the door, was much different than what Obama/Holder started, called Fast & Furious".

Fast and Furious was designed so that the drug cartels would use the weapons, kill people, and then use the killings to implement gun control.

Gun Walking under Bush is not Fast and Furious under Obama.

24 posted on 06/21/2012 10:09:22 AM PDT by Go Gordon (It's barack hussein obama - because he doesn't believe in capitalism.)
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To: G Larry

“If it were Bush’s fault, there would be no basis for invoking “executive privilege”.....”

Hah hah! Good point. Let’s see them answer that!


25 posted on 06/21/2012 10:10:04 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland ("The writing is on the wall - Unions are screwed. reformist2 10:04 PM #27")
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To: MestaMachine

Agree. CBS has covered the story.

Question is will a MSM step up for this generation’s Watergate? Or will the National Enquirer be up for another Pulitzer?

How close was John Edwards from the White House?


26 posted on 06/21/2012 10:11:13 AM PDT by TigerClaws (He)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Bush’s project also involved some bona fide arrests.


27 posted on 06/21/2012 10:11:49 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: pabianice
Watch this C-Span video and decide for yourself if the Obama administration started or ended the Fast Furious operation. 2009 Press Conference, Gun Runner
28 posted on 06/21/2012 10:11:50 AM PDT by Eva
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To: tcrlaf
They are losing, and Obama’s involvement means they now must cover it.

They must cover it, but that doesn't mean they will cover it.

Holder's obstruction would be leading the news every hour if this were the Buch administration. As the reporting goes now, the public can't be faulted for not even knowing why executive privilege was evoked.

29 posted on 06/21/2012 10:14:44 AM PDT by skeeter
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Liar! Liar! Pants On Fire!

Fast & Furious is an Obamah/Holder operation!

Bush never, ever let guns walk into drug cartel hands.

30 posted on 06/21/2012 10:16:08 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Vision
This is very easy.

Show us the evidence, or you’re lying.

Carney lies

The Gunwalker Scandal: Overview and Timeline

31 posted on 06/21/2012 10:16:33 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: mkmensinger

Most of the documents (approx 7-8000 out of 140K) they released were related to Widereceiver, the preceeding program to F&F. FFGate is Watergate on steroids. At least 2 US citizens were not murdered as a result of Watergate.


32 posted on 06/21/2012 10:16:55 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

The 0bama regime took one look at the Bush operation and thought it would be a brilliant move to morph it into their anti-gun agenda.


33 posted on 06/21/2012 10:20:43 AM PDT by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: pabianice
"Sideshow" Carney is lying.

The Department of Justice ’ s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

(above) Four ATF field agents testify under oath that they "never even heard of intentionally letting guns "walk" before F&F."

‘Wide Receiver’ CI: ‘It had nothing to do with Bush or even DOJ’

New Documents Highlight Differences in Bush-Era, Obama-Era Gunrunner Investigations

Operation Wide Receiver vs. Operation Fast and Furious

Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth


34 posted on 06/21/2012 10:21:03 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: pabianice

LIARS!!!!!

Hope Carney was wearing his asbestos undies.


35 posted on 06/21/2012 10:22:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pabianice
If Holder stopped it then how did F&F and Castaway exist?
They both began under Holder/0bama.
36 posted on 06/21/2012 10:25:02 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: All

Wide Receiver ended while Bush was in office.


37 posted on 06/21/2012 10:26:17 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: pabianice

Not sure which came first—Gunwalker or Fast and Furious—but the basic program was started under Bush, and Obama expanded the entire operation into what it is today.


38 posted on 06/21/2012 10:29:51 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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Carney and Obama have been lying.

A comprehensive 51 page Congressional Report:

- - - - - — - - - - -

JointStaff Report

Prepared for

Rep. Darrell E. Issa Chairman
United States House of Representative
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

&

Senator Charles E. Grassley, Ranking Member
United States Senate
Committee on the Judiciary

112th Congress
June 14 2011

http://www.scribd.com/doc/86505046/Gunwalker-Operation-Report-Fast-and-Furious PDF


39 posted on 06/21/2012 10:31:55 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: GSWarrior

There was never an operation called Gunwalker.


40 posted on 06/21/2012 10:33:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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Since democRATs, assorted media and now the press spokesperson for zer0 does not care American citizens have lost their lives while the White House and Department of Justice ran guns and probably ammo to drug cartels (alleged) the documents would prove the truth is being told. Looks like the documents tell a different truth that the (purported) truth the democRATs, assorted media and now the press spokesperson for zer0 are telling. People died and if (BIG IF) the documents tell there was no involvement by the White House and Department of Justice the documents would be released. Thus, one must surmise the documents show the democRATs, assorted media and now the press spokesperson for zer0 are lying. It is the only conclusion a rational person can reach. The democRATs, assorted media and now the press spokesperson for zer0 are all showing themselves to not be rational and sane, or they would prove those who do not believe them wrong. It really is that simple.
41 posted on 06/21/2012 10:34:27 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: TigersEye
Wide Receiver ended while Bush was in office.

Correct.

Started in 2006 - operation ended in 2007.

42 posted on 06/21/2012 10:35:48 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: TigersEye
No, it wasn't, Gun Walker, it was called, Gun Runner. Here's the 2009 press conference announcing operation Gun Runner. Press conference announcing, Operation Gun Runner. C-Span
43 posted on 06/21/2012 10:37:52 AM PDT by Eva
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To: pabianice

Oh come on! There’s a tape of Holder admitting under oath that Fast and Furious (Obama) and Wide Receiver (Bush) were two different operations and admitted the difference. Carney is flat out lying and stupidly lying at that because it’s a provable falsehood!


44 posted on 06/21/2012 10:39:19 AM PDT by Castigar
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To: Red Steel

One thing I have never heard, one way or the other, is when Project Gunrunner began. It’s the agency-wide umbrella that F&F, Castaway and other as-yet-unnamed operations were run under the 0bama/Holder regime. I don’t know if the name was used before 0bama or not.


45 posted on 06/21/2012 10:39:54 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: pabianice

Is there such a word as “lamest?” If so, tattoo it to Jay Carney’s forehead! What happened with Bush is totally different than what happened under Obama. Face the truth. On the other hand, did President Eisenhower take the heat for the failed Bay of Pigs disaster? No, I believe that mess was executed under President Kennedy’s watch!


46 posted on 06/21/2012 10:40:35 AM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Eva

I think he was referring to Wide Receiver.


47 posted on 06/21/2012 10:42:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: pabianice

The thing Carney fails to add was that when Bush found out about it, he ordered it stopped.


48 posted on 06/21/2012 10:43:26 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: pabianice

“Wide Receiver” is codename for Barney Frank.


49 posted on 06/21/2012 10:46:59 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TigersEye
Yes, Project Gunrunner was the large umbrella operation for many other operation, and Fast and Furious was a sub-operation ran from the BATFE Phoenix, AZ Division under Project Gunrunner.

Here you go. This website has an excellent timeline of what happened when:

The Gunwalker Scandal: Overview and Timeline

50 posted on 06/21/2012 10:49:27 AM PDT by Red Steel
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