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Massive Gold Trove Sparks Archeological Dispute
Spiegel Online ^ | 21 June 2012 | Matthias Schulz

Posted on 06/21/2012 5:36:03 PM PDT by Theoria

A 3,300-year-old treasure trove of gold found in northern Germany has stumped German archeologists. One theory suggests that traders transported it thousands of miles from a mine in Central Asia, but other experts are skeptical.

Archeologists in Germany have an unlikely new hero: former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder. They have nothing but praise for the cigar-smoking veteran Social Democratic politician.

Why? Because it was Schröder who, together with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, pushed through a plan to pump Russian natural gas to Western Europe. For that purpose, an embankment 440 kilometers (275 miles) long and up to 30 meters (100 feet) wide had to be created from Lubmin, a coastal resort town in northeastern Germany, to Rehden in Lower Saxony near the northwestern city of Bremen.

The result has been a veritable cornucopia of ancient discoveries. The most beautiful find was made in the Gessel district of Lower Saxony, where 117 pieces of gold were found stacked tightly together in a rotten linen cloth. The hidden treasure is about 3,300 years old.

The 1.8 kilograms (4 pounds) of gold, which was found in a field, consists of some jewelry, but primarily spirals of gold wire, which are tied together in chains consisting of 10 spirals each. This isn't jewelry, but an ancient form of gold bullion.

Traveling the Continent

When Johanna Wanka, the Lower Saxony science minister, unveiled the treasure to the press in February, the story became even more surprising. She explained that testing done at the University of Hanover had revealed that the gold had come from a mine in Central Asia.

(Excerpt) Read more at spiegel.de ...


TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: antiquities; argosy; bahog; centralasia; colchis; germany; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; gold; goldenfleece; jason; trade; treasure
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To: gleeaikin

I don’t see anything about Jason in the story.

Colchis was said by Herodotus to have been settled by Egyptians because of their common practice of circumcision:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2527120/posts?page=44#44

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2555535/posts?page=16#16

The “Sea People” events in Egypt were not that long ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2545119/posts?page=8#8

Hey, maybe a related story:

Early Bronze Age battle site found on German river bank
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2723334/posts


21 posted on 06/23/2012 3:41:19 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: commonguymd

Gold can be hammered into foils that are quite thin, and ancient monuments which were formerly allegedly covered with gold have A) been stripped, generally by other ancient groups, and B) probably didn’t cover the entire interiors of palaces and temples (paint was the rest; “if the lion’s skin won’t reach, you must patch it out with the fox’.”). :’)


22 posted on 06/23/2012 3:46:26 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; All

The article refers to voyage of the “Argonauts” which would be Jason, in the Black Sea in search of the golden fleece.

Sources I have read also mention the African related curly hair of the people of that region.

Regarding the Sea People, a number of sources I have encountered refer to that period about 3,300 years ago. The most recent I have seen is from Atlas of Ancient Egypt by John Baines and Jaromir Malck (1982), a beautiful book I might add. Page 99, “Some of the reliefs at Medinet Habu are not only artistically but also historically important, because they record historical events of the reign of Ramesses III [page 36, 1194-1163 BC]:...The exterior of the temple: Campaigns against the Libyans, Asiatics and the ‘sea peoples’ are shown on the north wall.”

Thanks for the Bronze Ate link.


23 posted on 06/23/2012 11:15:13 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: SunkenCiv; blam; Free Vulcan; All

I decided to Google “Medinet Habu sea people” and found a lot of material there. This link was profusely illustrated and was the 3rd or 4th down on the list. It looks as though the sea people in some of the maritime battle scenes are wearing a sort of horned helmet. Wonder if some of the sea people settled in Scandinavia and became Vikings in later centuries.

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Medinet_Habu/Medinet_Habu.htm


24 posted on 06/23/2012 11:30:44 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History (sec XII)
http://www.varchive.org/ce/theses.htm

260. “Invasion of Egypt by the archaic Greeks” in the twelfth century is a fallacy. The Greeks who participated in the wars of Ramses III and who are shown as changing sides, were at first soldiers of Chabrias, assisting Egypt, and then troops of Iphicrates, opposing Ramses III.

261. Agesilaus, the King of Sparta, had already arrived in Egypt in the days of Nectanebo I (Ramses III), [Tachos (Ramses IV)] and Ramses III, who referred to his arrival, mentioned also his notably small stature.

262. The Pereset, with whom Ramses III was at war, were the Persians of Artaxerxes II under the satrap Pharnambazus, and not the Philistines.

263. The war described by Ramses III, and by Diodorus and other classical authors (the war of Nectanebo 1), is one and the same war of 374 BCE...

267. The Egyptian bas-reliefs of the temple at Medinet Habu show Sidonian ships and Persian carriages comparable to the pictures of ships and carriages on the Sidonian coins minted during the years of the invasion.

268. The bas-reliefs of Medinet Habu show the reform of Iphicrates in lengthening the swords and spears and reducing the armor intended for defense.

269. The Jewish military colony at Elephantine still existed in 374 BCE and participated in the defense of the eastern border of Egypt. These professional soldiers were called Marienu by Ramses III, which is the Aramaic Marenu...

271. The Greek letters of classical form incised on the tiles of Ramses III during the process of manufacture (found at Tell-el-Yahudieh in the Delta) present no problem. They are Greek letters of the fourth century.

272. The inlay work and glazing of the tiles of Ramses III are innovations introduced from Persia...

276. The so-called Twenty-first Dynasty flourished not in the twelfth-eleventh century, but in the fifth-fourth century; it was established by the Persians as a dynasty of priestly princes in the oases of the Libyan desert for strategic purposes. It existed before, during and after the Twentieth (Twenty-ninth and Thirtieth) Dynasty...


25 posted on 06/24/2012 7:16:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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