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The article refers to voyage of the “Argonauts” which would be Jason, in the Black Sea in search of the golden fleece.

Sources I have read also mention the African related curly hair of the people of that region.

Regarding the Sea People, a number of sources I have encountered refer to that period about 3,300 years ago. The most recent I have seen is from Atlas of Ancient Egypt by John Baines and Jaromir Malck (1982), a beautiful book I might add. Page 99, “Some of the reliefs at Medinet Habu are not only artistically but also historically important, because they record historical events of the reign of Ramesses III [page 36, 1194-1163 BC]:...The exterior of the temple: Campaigns against the Libyans, Asiatics and the ‘sea peoples’ are shown on the north wall.”

Thanks for the Bronze Ate link.

23 posted on 06/23/2012 11:15:13 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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Theses for the Reconstruction of Ancient History (sec XII)

260. “Invasion of Egypt by the archaic Greeks” in the twelfth century is a fallacy. The Greeks who participated in the wars of Ramses III and who are shown as changing sides, were at first soldiers of Chabrias, assisting Egypt, and then troops of Iphicrates, opposing Ramses III.

261. Agesilaus, the King of Sparta, had already arrived in Egypt in the days of Nectanebo I (Ramses III), [Tachos (Ramses IV)] and Ramses III, who referred to his arrival, mentioned also his notably small stature.

262. The Pereset, with whom Ramses III was at war, were the Persians of Artaxerxes II under the satrap Pharnambazus, and not the Philistines.

263. The war described by Ramses III, and by Diodorus and other classical authors (the war of Nectanebo 1), is one and the same war of 374 BCE...

267. The Egyptian bas-reliefs of the temple at Medinet Habu show Sidonian ships and Persian carriages comparable to the pictures of ships and carriages on the Sidonian coins minted during the years of the invasion.

268. The bas-reliefs of Medinet Habu show the reform of Iphicrates in lengthening the swords and spears and reducing the armor intended for defense.

269. The Jewish military colony at Elephantine still existed in 374 BCE and participated in the defense of the eastern border of Egypt. These professional soldiers were called Marienu by Ramses III, which is the Aramaic Marenu...

271. The Greek letters of classical form incised on the tiles of Ramses III during the process of manufacture (found at Tell-el-Yahudieh in the Delta) present no problem. They are Greek letters of the fourth century.

272. The inlay work and glazing of the tiles of Ramses III are innovations introduced from Persia...

276. The so-called Twenty-first Dynasty flourished not in the twelfth-eleventh century, but in the fifth-fourth century; it was established by the Persians as a dynasty of priestly princes in the oases of the Libyan desert for strategic purposes. It existed before, during and after the Twentieth (Twenty-ninth and Thirtieth) Dynasty...

25 posted on 06/24/2012 7:16:10 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (
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