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Can Athletes Perform Well on a Vegan Diet?
New York Times ^ | JUNE 20, 2012 | GRETCHEN REYNOLDS

Posted on 06/21/2012 7:44:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway

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To: nickcarraway

Probably the healthiest looking Vegan I have ever seen is Carrie Underwood. And man is she healthly looking. :)


41 posted on 06/22/2012 3:56:38 AM PDT by catfish1957 (My dream for hope and change is to see the punk POTUS in prison for treason)
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To: Sherman Logan
FWIW, when the Sikhs gave up on pacifism and decided to fight back against Islamic agression, their leaders instructed them to eat meat so they would grow strong. Important in an era when combat was hand to hand.

There was a reason why Medieval peasants were not allowed to hunt, and the nobles ate lots of meat.

42 posted on 06/22/2012 4:00:50 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: nickcarraway

Didn’t the founder of Vegetarian Times magazine call a press conference a number of years ago to announce that he was giving up vegetarianism and that he enjoyed eating meat?


43 posted on 06/22/2012 4:45:39 AM PDT by Salvey
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To: jmacusa

We have ripping and tearing teeth as well as grinding teeth. As humans we have the ability to adapt which included eating meat that has been cooked and killing instruments. We don’t need to kill prey with our teeth.


44 posted on 06/22/2012 6:36:58 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: nickcarraway

As they say, correlation is not causation. But I remember Bill Walton’s very brief career punctuated by a series of unending broken bones and other injuries. Walton was a vegan or vegetarian and swore off meat and dairy products. One doctor who examined x-rays of Walton’s often broken foot said it clearly looked to him like a case of insufficient calcium. Of course, many people will state that Walton might just have been an injury-prone athlete who would have had the same problems if he had eaten meat and dairy products. We may never know about the effects of a vegan vs. an omnivorous diet, but I do know what happened to Walton.


45 posted on 06/22/2012 7:43:34 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: nickcarraway

Well? Sure. Optimally? No.

Also, talking to two vegetarians and one “almost-vegetarian” about whether vegetarianism or veganism is healthy is about like predicting the winner of the presidential election based on polling three zip codes in Berkeley.


46 posted on 06/22/2012 8:28:58 AM PDT by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: nickcarraway

I recall that the once-great basketball player Bill “the Mountain Man” Walton was a vegetarian. After early success, he broke his foot. Itnever healed very well, and some experts blamed the vegetarianism.


47 posted on 06/22/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: svcw

We started life off as prey for things like big cats. Most of the teeth we have aren’t the kind predators have.


48 posted on 06/22/2012 11:28:01 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: wastedyears

Yes they did fight and that is something I tell vegans. Point is though we not true meat-eaters in the sense that other predator animals are.


49 posted on 06/22/2012 11:35:48 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Sherman Logan

My experience is nearly all from training and no long tours but still relevant (never “beeped” in fire and maneuver in six years with a light combat unit...in for seven but with a “heavy,” not-so-combat unit for the last year). Someone else here might offer more from experience about needs for endurance and strength in actual combat. I can’t even imagine some of the real battles that some soldier and Marine friends have been though (days).

All I can say here is that assaulting light soldiers must move often and fast in fire-and-maneuver (with gear) in most scenarios to avoid being hit by contemporary, efficient weapons. Rough, too (e.g. flying from a run onto rocky terrain on one’s belly). And in combat, that could go on for hours...or days. As physical as in the distant past, probably not, for some tasks (e.g., transportation). But very physical, sometimes with much mobility. Wounds, probably just as nasty (disembowelments, etc.) but with much better medi-vac and medical now.


50 posted on 06/22/2012 4:48:00 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Sherman Logan

I’ve been fed an authorized diet of well over 9,000 calories per day, BTW. Most people don’t realize what a man’s body is capable of.


51 posted on 06/22/2012 4:55:34 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

Combat with edged weapons seems to me to be much like being a lineman in American football. Direct contact with opposing forces armed much the same. Man against man, with the stronger, more determined or more skilled winning.

Modern light infantry seems like soccer. No direct force on force combat, since anybody who tries it is immediately killed, more evasion and misdirection.

But don’t intend to portray myself as an expert. I’ve never been in any type of combat.


52 posted on 06/22/2012 6:24:40 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan
Very well done with describing combat with edged weapons, IMO.

"Modern light infantry seems like soccer. No direct force on force combat,..."

Well, those who are wise will have much rough contact with the ground unless firing from a very hard position of cover against only rifle fire. ;-) I'm getting somewhat old and can still hop from standing onto my hands (pushup position) without injury. But yes, I think you're pretty close. Oh, and imagine soccer players carrying some extra weight.


53 posted on 06/22/2012 7:00:48 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

I’ve done a fair amount of winter mountaineering and that’s roughly the diet required. It takes a lot of fuel to generate enough heat.

Carry butter by the stick and eat it like a candy bar.

LOL


54 posted on 06/22/2012 7:32:03 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes. I live in such a place (spraying ice, high winds, etc.). For combat soldiers, heavy nutrition is also required to avoid stress fractures. I carried one for about a half a mile near the end of an 18-mile run.


55 posted on 06/22/2012 8:39:32 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Sherman Logan

Will be fencing for yaks during the next couple of weeks. Even they will need to be fed hay in winter here (over 9,000 feet, ice sprays off of 14-ers just to the west). I’m hoping that we’re done with this dryer, solar max weather in another year or two (return to wetter, colder fluctuations).

Just finished backfilling around 300 cubic yards of earth by hand with my daughter, just to see if we could do it (and learn a few more things about ourselves) and toughen-up a little more. Part of the water system is gravity-fed from a cistern. No injuries. We’re learning kung fu. Tai chi was too slow for most of the cold year. ;-)


56 posted on 06/22/2012 8:48:29 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

Where are you?


57 posted on 06/26/2012 3:31:19 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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