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Roman jewellery found in ancient Japan tomb
Nineman.com.au ^ | Friday, June 22, 2012 | AFP

Posted on 06/22/2012 3:03:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Glass jewellery believed to have been made by Roman craftsmen has been found in an ancient tomb in Japan, researchers said Friday, in a sign the empire's influence may have reached the edge of Asia.

Tests have revealed three glass beads discovered in the Fifth Century "Utsukushi" burial mound in Nagaoka, near Kyoto, were probably made some time between the first and the fourth century, the Nara National Research Institute for Cultural Properties said.

The government-backed institute has recently finished analysing components of the glass beads, measuring five millimetres (0.2 inches) in diametre, with tiny fragments of gilt attached.

It found that the light yellow beads were made with natron, a chemical used to melt glass by craftsmen in the empire, which succeeded the Roman Republic in 27 BC and was ultimately ended by the Fall of Constantinople in 1453.

The beads, which have a hole through the middle, were made with a multilayering technique -- a relatively sophisticated method in which craftsmen piled up layers of glass, often sandwiching gold leaf in between.

"They are one of the oldest multilayered glass products found in Japan, and very rare accessories that were believed to be made in the Roman Empire and sent to Japan," said Tomomi Tamura, a researcher at the institute.

The Roman Empire was concentrated around the Mediterranean Sea and stretched northwards to occupy present-day England. The finding in Japan, some 10,000 kilometres (6,000 miles) from Italy, may shed some light on how far east its influence reached, Tamura said.

"It will also lead to further studies on how they could have got all the way to Japan," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.ninemsn.com.au ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; japan; romanempire; romansinchina; romansinjapan

In before the incoherent animus begins.


1 posted on 06/22/2012 3:03:34 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Roman guy sold them to turkish guy for a nickel. He sold them to Indian guy for a dime. He sold them to China guy for a buck. China guy sold them to Japan guy for $100.

What is the big deal. Probably took them ten years to get there.


2 posted on 06/22/2012 3:06:30 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I think you just about summed it up.
3 posted on 06/22/2012 3:10:07 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Vermont Lt

And Japanese guy gave them to Kevin Bacon.

Tip your waitress, try the veal, I will be here all week.


4 posted on 06/22/2012 3:10:10 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: SunkenCiv

My wife used to work in Nakaoka when we lived in Arashiyama. It must have cost a lot of money back then as metallurgy and glassworking was just being taught to the Japanese by Korea and China.


5 posted on 06/22/2012 3:11:15 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Vermont Lt
Ancient European Remains Discovered In Qinghai (China)
(1900 years old)
6 posted on 06/22/2012 3:12:46 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Those Romans walked all over the place.


7 posted on 06/22/2012 3:16:27 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


8 posted on 06/22/2012 3:18:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vermont Lt

....and the Casio watch, although missing its wristband, was still ticking in Roman numerals.


9 posted on 06/22/2012 3:21:19 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Vermont Lt; hinckley buzzard; donmeaker; struggle; blam; mountainlion

There was direct maritime trade between the Roman Empire and China’s Han dynasty as early as the reign of Marcus Aurelius. The Han court sent an ambassador by sea (aboard a Chinese vessel, probably a small fleet of ‘em) and arrived in the Persian Gulf, alas, too late to make direct contact (the pederast Hadrian had abandoned Trajan’s province of Mesopotamia), so they worked out some trade deals with the locals and went home. Roman trade by sea was on an enormous scale, particularly with India.


10 posted on 06/22/2012 3:24:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Vermont Lt

Ya think these archeologists never heard or read of the Silk Road?

Alexander the Great made it all the way to Afghanistan & India much earlier. So while there may have been no direct contact with China or Japan, the trade goods certainly made it through.


11 posted on 06/22/2012 3:28:45 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
More likely Roman bought girl. Put jewelry on her. Later, Roman sold girl for enough to make a downpayment on a new team of oxen.

She was put on a boat to Syria, then sold to someone else, with jewelry, and next thing you know she was ON THE SILK ROAD where both jewelry and girls were regularly trafficked.

Amazingly she made it to Japan.

Why I suggest that the jewelry were traded with a girl is it made her more valuable AND kept the jewelry from being melted down. It's value as body adornment became obvious. Think of her as a "sex sells" sort of advertising.

12 posted on 06/22/2012 3:32:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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13 posted on 06/22/2012 3:36:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: blam

Thanks blam. climate etc
14 posted on 06/22/2012 3:36:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

“It found that the light yellow beads were made with natron, a chemical used to melt glass “

Sounds fun. Where can I get some?


15 posted on 06/22/2012 3:37:33 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: struggle
This is 5th century (400s). By the middle of 6th century much of Japan had been overrun and conquered by Asiatic raiders from what appears to have been Yakutia.

These people are known to have been Turkish speakers and were technologically equal to the Han Chinese.

Remember 535 there was a climate anomaly that destroyed Northern and Western European civilization as well as Northern China's civilization. It was bad enough it shut down the Silk Road until the days of Ghengis Khan ~ who reopened it and has been criticized ever since.

This jewelry gives a look at international trade before that climate anomaly.

16 posted on 06/22/2012 3:37:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv
Ancient Romans In Texas?
17 posted on 06/22/2012 3:43:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv
Ancient Romans In Texas?
18 posted on 06/22/2012 3:43:53 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

The Apostle Thomas (of Doubting fame) went all the way to India where he was executed.

I remember reading (perhaps here) about an ancient Chinese Temple that was found to have been built upon the remains of a Christian Church. A creche was found hidden away in an attic.


19 posted on 06/22/2012 3:48:42 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: UCANSEE2

Make your own. 83% slaked soda ash, 17% baking soda.


20 posted on 06/22/2012 3:55:51 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1249 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Obama is not a Big Brother [he's a Big Sissy...])
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To: afraidfortherepublic

He must have doubted there would be such danger.


21 posted on 06/22/2012 4:01:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s bad writing, the chemical doesn’t actually melt glass, it’s just used in glass-making. You’d still need a glass kiln to melt the silicon-natron mixture.


22 posted on 06/22/2012 4:19:08 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: muawiyah; Vermont Lt
Remember 535 there was a climate anomaly that destroyed Northern and Western European civilization as well as Northern China's civilization.

If you are referring to year 535 AD/CE, where does this enter into this report? If this is a 5th century tomb, it is, as you yourself said, from a time between 401 and 500 AD. So either I misunderstand your post or it is a nonsequiter.

My belief is that the suggestion of the Silk Road is the "Occam Razor" answer since it is well known that the route existed for at least 600 years earlier bringing the silk to Rome. The effort to ship silk west would be ridiculous without equal value traveling east and jewelry was then as is now, high value for small volume and weight.

By most research this was done by actual end-to-end caravans going from trading terminuses in west China to the eastern Roman Empire. The final leg between China and Japan is minor in comparison.

23 posted on 06/22/2012 4:33:07 PM PDT by SES1066 (Government is NOT the reason for my existence!)
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To: SES1066
Just setting the time frame a bit better ~ people often forget the good times quit rolling about 535 AD.

Thought I prefaced that enough so it'd be obvious.

24 posted on 06/22/2012 4:46:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SunkenCiv

A glass bead will roam.


25 posted on 06/22/2012 4:57:48 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (???`?? Who knew?)
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To: donmeaker
Tip your waitress, try the veal, I will be here all week.

God, I hope not. ;)

26 posted on 06/22/2012 5:05:45 PM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: SES1066
"My belief is that the suggestion of the Silk Road is the "Occam Razor" answer since it is well known that the route existed for at least 600 years earlier bringing the silk to Rome. The effort to ship silk west would be ridiculous without equal value traveling east and jewelry was then as is now, high value for small volume and weight. "

Tocharians

27 posted on 06/22/2012 5:06:41 PM PDT by blam
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To: UCANSEE2

Natron is another name for sodium hydroxide. Nasty stuff.


28 posted on 06/22/2012 5:15:38 PM PDT by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is not enough)
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To: Boogieman
It’s bad writing

Is it me, or does that just seem to happen more often lately?

29 posted on 06/22/2012 5:21:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: blam

I looked at that thread and saw a number of:

The requested document does not exist on this server.


Okay

Or banned or suspended posters. Reply 123 was a one post n00b back then who has never replied.


30 posted on 06/22/2012 5:43:02 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: SunkenCiv
In before the incoherent animus begins.

Well then, how about some authentic Frontier Gibberish?


31 posted on 06/22/2012 5:48:56 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Arrowhead1952

That was 9.5 years ago. A lot changes in that time.


32 posted on 06/22/2012 5:51:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: SunkenCiv

Of course the Romans were sailing all over the orient.

Haven’t you been watching the Spartacus series’ on ... umm... I think it’s Showtime?

The ludicrous where the slaves were training for gladiators had a female slave that was obviously from New Zealand.

That right there is proof positive that Romans were in the asiatics.


33 posted on 06/22/2012 7:39:53 PM PDT by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: UCANSEE2

It’s not you.


34 posted on 06/22/2012 7:49:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Grimmy

LOL!


35 posted on 06/23/2012 3:03:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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