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Indian Americans ahead of all other ethnic minorities in US
The Hindustan Times ^

Posted on 06/22/2012 9:04:03 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN

Indian-Americans are richer and better educated than all other ethnic groups in the US but are least likely to marry out of the community , says a new study.

And, as most other Asian-Americans they lean politically towards the Democratic Party,Party, but unlike them take longer to give up their Indian citizenship The study by Pew Research Center released on Tuesday uses existing data and new survey to chart — as the title says — the rise of Asian Americans.

Indian Americans are the third largest Asian American group at 3.18 million, behind Chinese and Filipino origin Americans at 4.01 million and 3.41 million respectively.

The first Indians came to the US between 1904 and 1911 as farmhands. They were then described as caucasians, and could become citizens and marry US-born whites. But that changed . Immigration from India was prohibited in 1917, and a 1923 Supreme Court decision called them non-whites. The gates were thrown up in 1965 with new laws.

Indians started landing in waves, mostly through student and temporary-work visas, accounting for more than half of H1B recipients in 2011 (there have been cuts since). Their successes make the community the most prosperous and educated.

Median annual personal earnings for Indian-American full-time, was $65,000, higher than for all Asian Americans ($48,000) as well as for all US adults ($40,000). Among households, the median annual income for Indian Americans was $88,000, much higher than for all Asians ($66,000) and all US households ($49,800). And, that’s probably because they are better educated. “Among Indian Americans aged 25 and older, seven-in-ten (70%) have obtained at least a bachelor’s degree.”

But they are socially less open, if inter-marriage was taken as the sole test. South Carolina’s Indian-American governor Nikki Haley is an exception, she is married to a non-Indian-American. Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal is the norm, marrying another Indian-American. Only 12% of Indian-American newlyweds between 2008 and 2010 married out of the community.

This may have something to do with reluctance to break from their past — only 56% of adult Indian-Americans are US citizens, compared to 70 for all Asian Americans.


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1 posted on 06/22/2012 9:04:08 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN
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To: MBT ARJUN
Median annual personal earnings for Indian-American full-time, was $65,000, higher than for all Asian Americans ($48,000) as well as for all US adults ($40,000). Among households, the median annual income for Indian Americans was $88,000, much higher than for all Asians ($66,000) and all US households ($49,800). And, that’s probably because they are better educated. “Among Indian Americans aged 25 and older, seven-in-ten (70%) have obtained at least a bachelor’s degree.”

They get paid all that even though you can't hardly understand a word they're saying when you call 'customer service?' /s

2 posted on 06/22/2012 9:18:08 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Thank you for the interesting ping.


3 posted on 06/22/2012 9:20:00 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: stylecouncilor

Nikki Haley ping....


4 posted on 06/22/2012 9:21:15 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: MBT ARJUN

Correction: I meant “post,” not “ping.”


5 posted on 06/22/2012 9:21:21 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: MBT ARJUN

And most of them are, uh, “black”. What to do now?


6 posted on 06/22/2012 9:24:58 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

The rules of caste - varna and jati - are so complicated, it’s a wonder Indians find anyone to marry at all.

Fortunately for them, there’s a billion of them, which makes finding someone - anyone - somewhat less insurmountable.


7 posted on 06/22/2012 9:26:06 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: MBT ARJUN

Indian Americans - dot or feather?


9 posted on 06/22/2012 9:49:41 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Come quickly Lord Jesus.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Odd that they did not include Jews.


10 posted on 06/22/2012 10:12:56 PM PDT by montag813 (Stop the Obama Amnesty. www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: MBT ARJUN

I seriously did not know indians were considered asians

more power to all asian immigrants, they work hard and know how to take care of their families

the democratic leanings are probably counterproductive for them, I think/hope they will realize that sometime


11 posted on 06/22/2012 10:13:43 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: Graybeard58

Dot, as in mainly Hindu.


12 posted on 06/22/2012 10:16:47 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: Jack Hammer

Ahhh, they’re just racist. /s


13 posted on 06/22/2012 10:17:55 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: MBT ARJUN

Never seen any of ‘em laid off at my former ex-tech firm.


14 posted on 06/22/2012 10:18:23 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Repeat Offender
Among Indian Americans aged 25 and older, seven-in-ten (70%) have obtained at least a bachelor’s degree.

There is the secret to their success!
15 posted on 06/22/2012 10:34:56 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut from the inside.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; Norman Bates; unkus; ...

This is an interesting development. They tend to be solidly Democrat most of the time, but can be persuaded to vote Republican with the right candidate and the right kind of appeal.


16 posted on 06/22/2012 10:48:59 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Don’t count on it

They are another race who feels they are entitled and that YT owes them.

The young ones might be successful but they quickly bring their relatives over and sign them up for all the goodies given out by the government.

Simple question, if Indians value hard work and education so much then why is India a 3rd world cesspool?


17 posted on 06/22/2012 10:58:40 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1

Actually, numerous surveys and articles have been available with data showing Indian-origin Americans being the ethnicity least likely to be on public / government welfare (less than 1% of the community receive it).

Many have been posted right here on FR. You’re bound to find them if you look for them.


18 posted on 06/23/2012 12:16:27 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: qam1

Learn history! The British ruled India until 1947 for 150 years, who systematically prevented industrialization by exporting raw materials from India to Britain and then exporing finished goods to India. Then the big government party of Nehru dominated the country until 20 years or so ago, when Janata party won majority in parliament and began encouragement of free market capitalism. If you think it is easy to move 1200 million people from near poverty into prosperity in 20 years, think again.

However the increase in GDP in last 2 decades has been phenomenal, growing at 3 to 4 times faster than US.

Another factoid: India had the worlds highest GDP for over thousand years until the 17 the century when for various reasons, which are too long a narrative to go into here, the country descended into an economic malaise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjB_Tf7Cy3A&feature=related


19 posted on 06/23/2012 12:34:13 AM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will rot your gut from the inside.)
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To: Repeat Offender

the article is talking of Americans of Indian origin, not Indians in India


20 posted on 06/23/2012 1:24:09 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: montag813; MBT ARJUN
Median income of a Jewish -American family is $54,000 per annum, close to the Indian-American $65,000.
21 posted on 06/23/2012 1:26:26 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Amberdawn; Graybeard

Many of the Indian-Americans (and also Indians in Canada, Australia, etc) are Christians...


22 posted on 06/23/2012 1:27:02 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: qam1
much then why is India a 3rd world cesspool?

A variety of reasons -- mostly incompetent governance, but the main root cause is that India is technically not a country, but a continent with myriad different groups. In many ways it's like a larger version of the European Union with the added effect of different races (95% Caucasian + 5% Mongoloid --> and of the 95% Caucasian, 3/4ths are Indo-European and 1/4th are Dravidian)

Some parts of the country like Kerala have 100% literacy while others like Bihar have only 70%. Some places have high-tech industries while others like the Jarawas live in the stone-ages on the Andaman islands.

People can freely move from one place to another and so it's not that easy to make one area alone, rich

However, as a whole, the country is progressing, slowly.

Also, note that they were socialist for 40 years after independence and are not completely market-oriented yet, which is another drag on their economy

23 posted on 06/23/2012 1:31:41 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: MBT ARJUN

It’s the casinos


24 posted on 06/23/2012 2:02:21 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Rules are for the guidance of wise men and the blind obedience of fools - Solon, Lawmaker of Athens)
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To: Cronos

In agreement with your post.


25 posted on 06/23/2012 2:04:20 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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To: qam1

Many of the good ones left or want to leave India. Higher learning brainwashing and professions like professors and scientific employment in government research has some effect in their leanings here too. They are not lock stock on the democrat plantation though. They’ve never been a people to live on the “dole” from what I see.

Jindal might be a decent choice to turn the tide in their leaning.


26 posted on 06/23/2012 2:14:25 AM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore it seems)
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To: MBT ARJUN

All this from running a crappy 7-11 on the corner....?


27 posted on 06/23/2012 3:42:09 AM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: MBT ARJUN

And their children win the National Spelling Bee every year. Think of what our schools would be if they were solely populated by Indian children!

Unfortunately, American children are falling far behind not only academically, but in terms of civilized behavior. That is the fault of parents who have let our crass culture ravage their offspring.


28 posted on 06/23/2012 5:02:29 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: MBT ARJUN

I believe it. Look at Elizabeth Warren. She’s a Harvard professor and a candidate for the US Senate.


29 posted on 06/23/2012 5:02:37 AM PDT by HenpeckedCon (What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Their religion makes them very insular. Uniquely Indian.


30 posted on 06/23/2012 5:19:02 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: MBT ARJUN
Only 12% of Indian-American newlyweds between 2008 and 2010 married out of the community

This is because the majority of their marriages are arranged while the children are still young. Sometimes they marry outside of this, but most often it still is arranged. While this seems out of date to us, in a company I worked for I did notice that the majority of Americans were divorced, while the Indians had stong families and seemed perfectly happy.

31 posted on 06/23/2012 5:55:57 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: MBT ARJUN
"no-whites"

By the standards of racial classification, Asian Indians are Caucasians. Many Asian Indians are darker than many African Americans in skin color. Which merely illustrates the idiocy of all so-called "racial" classifications.

32 posted on 06/23/2012 6:15:16 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Cronos
"country is progressing"

The development of India and China is one of the reasons the global economy boomed in the last thirty-forty years. Think about it. Up to about 1980, both countries, with about one-third the world's population, were mired in socialist economies preventing appreciable contributions to the world economy except in exports of raw materials. Then both plunged headlong into the free-market/capitalist system (to a certain degree) which has allowed both countries to gain substantial footholds or primacy in the global wealth race.

In fact, many experts expect China to overtake the U.S. before too long. That's in part because many Americans want to plunge America into a socialist paradigm which the two previously socialist countries have mostly succeeded in escaping. Which allowed sizable percentages of their people to live lives undreamt of by their previous generations. Life sure is strange.

33 posted on 06/23/2012 6:27:32 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Cronos
the article is talking of Americans of Indian origin, not Indians in India

The "/s" tag slipped right by you. By the way Captain Obvious, when do you get promoted to Major?

34 posted on 06/23/2012 6:43:38 AM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: Cronos; montag813; MBT ARJUN; All
Median income of a Jewish -American family is $54,000 per annum, close to the Indian-American $65,000.

This is almost certainly not an accurate comparison.

You are comparing outdated demographic information - that is at least 8 years old - about American Jews, to up-to-date demographic information about Asian-Indians living in America.

The link you provided takes one to a webpage of the Jewish Federations of North America. That is certainly a reliable, authoritative source, but the actual data referred to on that webpage is found on a link therein, which in turn takes one to a pdf document in the form of a study entitled "THE NATIONAL JEWISH POPULATION SURVEY 2000-01, STRENGTH, CHALLENGE AND DIVERSITY IN THE AMERICAN JEWISH POPULATION". On the bottom of the title page of the linked pdf document ones finds "Updated January 2004 see downloadable Errata for corrections from original edition".

Thus, the data you cite regarding Jewish demographics is at least 8 years old.

In contrast, the newspaper article regarding Asian-Indians that is the basis for this thread ( 'Indian Americans ahead of all other ethnic minorities in US,' Hindustan Times, June 23, 2012" ) refers to a new study by the Pew Research Center "released on Tuesday" (i.e., June 19, 2012) which "uses existing data and new survey".

35 posted on 06/23/2012 6:47:49 AM PDT by leebee vmizrach
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To: driftless2

Excellent and true.


36 posted on 06/23/2012 6:49:11 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Vince Ferrer

I wonder if the arranged marriage is simply a symptom if you will of the cause - parents that plan/coach their children into adulthood. There’s a term for this type of parent that escapes me at the moment, but parents who practice this approach with their children get very good results and close families.

The children grow up feeling that their parents are loving counselors. The level of involvement in schooling and life choices is very high. Compare this to single mother households. Many Indian wives are not particularly well educated and not near as much, but they are practitioners of this kind of child rearing.

Perhaps it could be called traditional families?


37 posted on 06/23/2012 6:54:10 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: MBT ARJUN

Good post.


38 posted on 06/23/2012 6:57:27 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: qam1

“if Indians value hard work and education so much then why is India a 3rd world cesspool?”

Most of the Indian immigrants who come here are from families which have money and status, not the underclass.


39 posted on 06/23/2012 7:27:25 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: 1010RD
I also think the couple getting married have some different assumptions than Americans getting married. Americans want a happily ever after marriage with no effort, just like Disney promised them, and Indians get married knowing that is is more of a mutual partnership arrangement.

When considering the behavior of Indians, or anyone in the developing world, we have to look at their circumstances and how they grew up. As the article says, Indians in America are tremendously successful, because they are especially driven to succeed.

This generation of Indians is only one generation out of crippling poverty. In India, if you fall, you fall much farther down than in the US. Every Indian, no matter how successful in the US, still in the back of their minds is walking on a tightrope, where falling means living in a shantytown back in India. Indians do not have the luxury of getting married and then getting divorced because they were too young and just weren't ready and go off to find themselves in a commune somewhere. That idea is so alien to an Indian that Americans might as well have come from a different planet, with antennae coming out of their heads. Indians get married to share expenses, pool incomes and lower the risk of unemployment, and raise children.

40 posted on 06/23/2012 7:57:25 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Clintonfatigued
Most of the Indian immigrants who come here are from families which have money and status, not the underclass.

They are also the eldest children, who are educated and get good jobs, and then are obligated to take care of their younger brothers and sisters whom the parents could not afford to educate.

41 posted on 06/23/2012 8:00:24 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: 1010RD
Also, by the time we get through this financial crisis, we will be acting more like the Indians than they will be acting like us.

Just like the other bubbles we have blown, we have had an immaturity bubble in personal behavior with fathers abandoning children, broken families maintaining two homes, and low regard for education and personal responsibility. I'd vote for the peak of this bubble to be that guy that fathered thirty children by eleven mothers who wants a break on his child support payments from his minimum wage job.

Eventually we will have little money for welfare or other social support. When this happens, what will replace it is the same social structures that worked well for thousands of years.

42 posted on 06/23/2012 8:28:56 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: qam1

Indians are also the fastest growing source of illegal aliens.


43 posted on 06/23/2012 10:16:08 AM PDT by khelus
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To: leebee vmizrach

Yes, that’s right. The comparative average income number for all whites is $54K in this study—certainly Jewish Americans come in above that average.


44 posted on 06/23/2012 11:47:26 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: MaryLou1

I think they hear the support for individual rights on the right as counter to their sense of family and community duty. To do a better job converting Asian Americans, I think the GOP has to translate the virtues of small government better.


45 posted on 06/23/2012 11:55:03 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: khelus

“Indians are also the fastest growing source of illegal aliens.”

I don’t doubt that. The left coast is overrun with Asians. I am sure many of them are here illegally also, but people only think of Mexicans that walk across.

And aren’t the Indians beneficiaries of Affirmative Actions and government set-aside contracts also?

Ironic, a billion of them in the world, the creators of the caste system, and preferred above the white American populace by an official USA government racist policy. When will Affirmative Action be sunset?


46 posted on 06/23/2012 12:00:31 PM PDT by wrencher
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To: qam1

I dont think Ive ever seen an Indian American on government handouts. They are an enterprising and wealthy population. And most susceptible to racism, despite that.

They work hard, and they make money. More money than whites, as the data points out.


47 posted on 06/23/2012 12:23:57 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: wrencher

Nope. Indian Americans, like other Asian Americans, do NOT qualify for affirmative action of any sort.


48 posted on 06/23/2012 12:26:47 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: wrencher

Also the northeast. Many are surprised to find out that those of us in IT not only compete against guest workers who often pay no or partial taxes, off shore workers who can live well on $5,000 - $10,000 per year, but also illegal aliens.

Yes, they are beneficiaries of affirmative action and government set-aside contracts.


49 posted on 06/23/2012 12:35:59 PM PDT by khelus
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To: ketelone; wrencher

Oh yes they do. Among other things they qualify to minority GRANTS, not loans to set up businesses.

See my prior post.


50 posted on 06/23/2012 12:38:17 PM PDT by khelus
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