Skip to comments.Indian Americans ahead of all other ethnic minorities in US
Posted on 06/22/2012 9:04:03 PM PDT by MBT ARJUN
Indian-Americans are richer and better educated than all other ethnic groups in the US but are least likely to marry out of the community , says a new study.
And, as most other Asian-Americans they lean politically towards the Democratic Party,Party, but unlike them take longer to give up their Indian citizenship The study by Pew Research Center released on Tuesday uses existing data and new survey to chart as the title says the rise of Asian Americans.
Indian Americans are the third largest Asian American group at 3.18 million, behind Chinese and Filipino origin Americans at 4.01 million and 3.41 million respectively.
The first Indians came to the US between 1904 and 1911 as farmhands. They were then described as caucasians, and could become citizens and marry US-born whites. But that changed . Immigration from India was prohibited in 1917, and a 1923 Supreme Court decision called them non-whites. The gates were thrown up in 1965 with new laws.
Indians started landing in waves, mostly through student and temporary-work visas, accounting for more than half of H1B recipients in 2011 (there have been cuts since). Their successes make the community the most prosperous and educated.
Median annual personal earnings for Indian-American full-time, was $65,000, higher than for all Asian Americans ($48,000) as well as for all US adults ($40,000). Among households, the median annual income for Indian Americans was $88,000, much higher than for all Asians ($66,000) and all US households ($49,800). And, thats probably because they are better educated. Among Indian Americans aged 25 and older, seven-in-ten (70%) have obtained at least a bachelors degree.
But they are socially less open, if inter-marriage was taken as the sole test. South Carolinas Indian-American governor Nikki Haley is an exception, she is married to a non-Indian-American. Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal is the norm, marrying another Indian-American. Only 12% of Indian-American newlyweds between 2008 and 2010 married out of the community.
This may have something to do with reluctance to break from their past only 56% of adult Indian-Americans are US citizens, compared to 70 for all Asian Americans.
They get paid all that even though you can't hardly understand a word they're saying when you call 'customer service?' /s
Thank you for the interesting ping.
Nikki Haley ping....
Correction: I meant “post,” not “ping.”
And most of them are, uh, “black”. What to do now?
The rules of caste - varna and jati - are so complicated, it’s a wonder Indians find anyone to marry at all.
Fortunately for them, there’s a billion of them, which makes finding someone - anyone - somewhat less insurmountable.
Indian Americans - dot or feather?
Odd that they did not include Jews.
I seriously did not know indians were considered asians
more power to all asian immigrants, they work hard and know how to take care of their families
the democratic leanings are probably counterproductive for them, I think/hope they will realize that sometime
Dot, as in mainly Hindu.
Ahhh, they’re just racist. /s
Never seen any of ‘em laid off at my former ex-tech firm.
This is an interesting development. They tend to be solidly Democrat most of the time, but can be persuaded to vote Republican with the right candidate and the right kind of appeal.
Don’t count on it
They are another race who feels they are entitled and that YT owes them.
The young ones might be successful but they quickly bring their relatives over and sign them up for all the goodies given out by the government.
Simple question, if Indians value hard work and education so much then why is India a 3rd world cesspool?
Actually, numerous surveys and articles have been available with data showing Indian-origin Americans being the ethnicity least likely to be on public / government welfare (less than 1% of the community receive it).
Many have been posted right here on FR. You’re bound to find them if you look for them.
Learn history! The British ruled India until 1947 for 150 years, who systematically prevented industrialization by exporting raw materials from India to Britain and then exporing finished goods to India. Then the big government party of Nehru dominated the country until 20 years or so ago, when Janata party won majority in parliament and began encouragement of free market capitalism. If you think it is easy to move 1200 million people from near poverty into prosperity in 20 years, think again.
However the increase in GDP in last 2 decades has been phenomenal, growing at 3 to 4 times faster than US.
Another factoid: India had the worlds highest GDP for over thousand years until the 17 the century when for various reasons, which are too long a narrative to go into here, the country descended into an economic malaise.
the article is talking of Americans of Indian origin, not Indians in India
Many of the Indian-Americans (and also Indians in Canada, Australia, etc) are Christians...
A variety of reasons -- mostly incompetent governance, but the main root cause is that India is technically not a country, but a continent with myriad different groups. In many ways it's like a larger version of the European Union with the added effect of different races (95% Caucasian + 5% Mongoloid --> and of the 95% Caucasian, 3/4ths are Indo-European and 1/4th are Dravidian)
Some parts of the country like Kerala have 100% literacy while others like Bihar have only 70%. Some places have high-tech industries while others like the Jarawas live in the stone-ages on the Andaman islands.
People can freely move from one place to another and so it's not that easy to make one area alone, rich
However, as a whole, the country is progressing, slowly.
Also, note that they were socialist for 40 years after independence and are not completely market-oriented yet, which is another drag on their economy
It’s the casinos
In agreement with your post.
Many of the good ones left or want to leave India. Higher learning brainwashing and professions like professors and scientific employment in government research has some effect in their leanings here too. They are not lock stock on the democrat plantation though. They’ve never been a people to live on the “dole” from what I see.
Jindal might be a decent choice to turn the tide in their leaning.
All this from running a crappy 7-11 on the corner....?
And their children win the National Spelling Bee every year. Think of what our schools would be if they were solely populated by Indian children!
Unfortunately, American children are falling far behind not only academically, but in terms of civilized behavior. That is the fault of parents who have let our crass culture ravage their offspring.
I believe it. Look at Elizabeth Warren. She’s a Harvard professor and a candidate for the US Senate.
Their religion makes them very insular. Uniquely Indian.
This is because the majority of their marriages are arranged while the children are still young. Sometimes they marry outside of this, but most often it still is arranged. While this seems out of date to us, in a company I worked for I did notice that the majority of Americans were divorced, while the Indians had stong families and seemed perfectly happy.
By the standards of racial classification, Asian Indians are Caucasians. Many Asian Indians are darker than many African Americans in skin color. Which merely illustrates the idiocy of all so-called "racial" classifications.
The development of India and China is one of the reasons the global economy boomed in the last thirty-forty years. Think about it. Up to about 1980, both countries, with about one-third the world's population, were mired in socialist economies preventing appreciable contributions to the world economy except in exports of raw materials. Then both plunged headlong into the free-market/capitalist system (to a certain degree) which has allowed both countries to gain substantial footholds or primacy in the global wealth race.
In fact, many experts expect China to overtake the U.S. before too long. That's in part because many Americans want to plunge America into a socialist paradigm which the two previously socialist countries have mostly succeeded in escaping. Which allowed sizable percentages of their people to live lives undreamt of by their previous generations. Life sure is strange.
The "/s" tag slipped right by you. By the way Captain Obvious, when do you get promoted to Major?
This is almost certainly not an accurate comparison.
You are comparing outdated demographic information - that is at least 8 years old - about American Jews, to up-to-date demographic information about Asian-Indians living in America.
The link you provided takes one to a webpage of the Jewish Federations of North America. That is certainly a reliable, authoritative source, but the actual data referred to on that webpage is found on a link therein, which in turn takes one to a pdf document in the form of a study entitled "THE NATIONAL JEWISH POPULATION SURVEY 2000-01, STRENGTH, CHALLENGE AND DIVERSITY IN THE AMERICAN JEWISH POPULATION". On the bottom of the title page of the linked pdf document ones finds "Updated January 2004 see downloadable Errata for corrections from original edition".
Thus, the data you cite regarding Jewish demographics is at least 8 years old.
In contrast, the newspaper article regarding Asian-Indians that is the basis for this thread ( 'Indian Americans ahead of all other ethnic minorities in US,' Hindustan Times, June 23, 2012" ) refers to a new study by the Pew Research Center "released on Tuesday" (i.e., June 19, 2012) which "uses existing data and new survey".
Excellent and true.
I wonder if the arranged marriage is simply a symptom if you will of the cause - parents that plan/coach their children into adulthood. There’s a term for this type of parent that escapes me at the moment, but parents who practice this approach with their children get very good results and close families.
The children grow up feeling that their parents are loving counselors. The level of involvement in schooling and life choices is very high. Compare this to single mother households. Many Indian wives are not particularly well educated and not near as much, but they are practitioners of this kind of child rearing.
Perhaps it could be called traditional families?
“if Indians value hard work and education so much then why is India a 3rd world cesspool?”
Most of the Indian immigrants who come here are from families which have money and status, not the underclass.
When considering the behavior of Indians, or anyone in the developing world, we have to look at their circumstances and how they grew up. As the article says, Indians in America are tremendously successful, because they are especially driven to succeed.
This generation of Indians is only one generation out of crippling poverty. In India, if you fall, you fall much farther down than in the US. Every Indian, no matter how successful in the US, still in the back of their minds is walking on a tightrope, where falling means living in a shantytown back in India. Indians do not have the luxury of getting married and then getting divorced because they were too young and just weren't ready and go off to find themselves in a commune somewhere. That idea is so alien to an Indian that Americans might as well have come from a different planet, with antennae coming out of their heads. Indians get married to share expenses, pool incomes and lower the risk of unemployment, and raise children.
They are also the eldest children, who are educated and get good jobs, and then are obligated to take care of their younger brothers and sisters whom the parents could not afford to educate.
Just like the other bubbles we have blown, we have had an immaturity bubble in personal behavior with fathers abandoning children, broken families maintaining two homes, and low regard for education and personal responsibility. I'd vote for the peak of this bubble to be that guy that fathered thirty children by eleven mothers who wants a break on his child support payments from his minimum wage job.
Eventually we will have little money for welfare or other social support. When this happens, what will replace it is the same social structures that worked well for thousands of years.
Indians are also the fastest growing source of illegal aliens.
Yes, that’s right. The comparative average income number for all whites is $54K in this study—certainly Jewish Americans come in above that average.
I think they hear the support for individual rights on the right as counter to their sense of family and community duty. To do a better job converting Asian Americans, I think the GOP has to translate the virtues of small government better.
“Indians are also the fastest growing source of illegal aliens.”
I don’t doubt that. The left coast is overrun with Asians. I am sure many of them are here illegally also, but people only think of Mexicans that walk across.
And aren’t the Indians beneficiaries of Affirmative Actions and government set-aside contracts also?
Ironic, a billion of them in the world, the creators of the caste system, and preferred above the white American populace by an official USA government racist policy. When will Affirmative Action be sunset?
I dont think Ive ever seen an Indian American on government handouts. They are an enterprising and wealthy population. And most susceptible to racism, despite that.
They work hard, and they make money. More money than whites, as the data points out.
Nope. Indian Americans, like other Asian Americans, do NOT qualify for affirmative action of any sort.
Also the northeast. Many are surprised to find out that those of us in IT not only compete against guest workers who often pay no or partial taxes, off shore workers who can live well on $5,000 - $10,000 per year, but also illegal aliens.
Yes, they are beneficiaries of affirmative action and government set-aside contracts.
Oh yes they do. Among other things they qualify to minority GRANTS, not loans to set up businesses.
See my prior post.