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Vaccines And Autism: The Secret That You Are Not Supposed To Know
End of the American dream ^ | 21st June 2012 | N/A

Posted on 06/24/2012 1:15:35 AM PDT by yank in the UK

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To: zzeeman

That’s exactly right. Those same people don’t realize what is happening to our Franken-food (”oh, but we can trust the FDA!”) or with the air (dropping aluminum in the skies to prevent fake global warming, “oh, but the EPA would tell us if it were unhealthy to breathe!”), not to mention all the pharms and junk in the water already.


151 posted on 06/25/2012 10:09:02 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
In your eagerness for a cheap “Gotcha!” you missed the point completely, not surprisingly.

Well you got me. And I stand corrected in that your posts seemed to be supporting the vaccination = autism claim. I see now that you are quite skeptical of those claims and good for you. However you need to do some more research into the claims of fetal DNA in vaccines being a cause for Autism as there is no solid scientific evidence to support that claim any more than “bad mom”, mercury or TV theories are definitive cause, or that vaccines contain any fetal DNA or even if they do, it would be in such miniscule and fragments amounts as to have a negligible effect. If that is proven not to be the case, I will stand corrected there as well.

But otherwise it would seem we are, well, mostly on the same page.

What bothers me is how so many are willing to jump on the band wagon that vaccinations are bad based on junk science and the claims of “expert” celebrities like Jenny McCarthy. Many of these same people willingly jump on the AGW bandwagon, the meat is bad bandwagon, the only good foods are organic foods bandwagon, cell phone towers cause cancer bandwagon, the Pharmaceutical Companies and Doctors are engaging in a vast conspiracy to kill us all bandwagon. I could also mention the Area 51 cover-up theories as part of this overall group too.

There is however a very clear link between parents choosing not to vaccinate their children along with a influx of illegal and medically unscreened aliens from third world countries and the rise in instances of once rare and potentially fatal childhood diseases that vaccinations had nearly all but eliminated in the US and other developed nations.

Again, it would seem we perhaps agree more than we disagree.

152 posted on 06/25/2012 12:48:58 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: yank in the UK
Vatican Condemns Vaccines Made with Tissue Obtained by Abortion click link to see the list of vaccines made from fetal cell lines
153 posted on 06/25/2012 4:23:19 PM PDT by Coleus
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154 posted on 06/25/2012 4:30:17 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Borax Queen

It’s tough alright. You can filter your water, try to grow as much as your own food as possible (and that mileage varies greatly by location and circumstance), but the assaults are relentless. I suspect that people would have had to begin waking up 30-40 years ago to prevent the mess that we have now; at this point, I’m not too optimistic...


155 posted on 06/25/2012 4:44:17 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: zzeeman

Completely. We use an AquaRain which is supposed to remove a lot of the junk, but you’re right, the assaults are non-stop. I can sit by my ionizer and take my vitamins on certain really bad days, but I was speaking to befuddled zombies 30 years ago and now to fluoride-head zombies, I don’t have much hope left either...


156 posted on 06/25/2012 5:33:36 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Coleus

Good link, thank you.


157 posted on 06/25/2012 5:38:48 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: yank in the UK

I’d say that a large portion of the people that have commented on this thread are bloody ignorant, and haven’t a clue what they are talking about. How many of you people have ever even been around someone that is autistic? How many of you witnessed personally the regression of a perfectly normal child immediately after having an MMR injection? Say what you want, call me crazy, accuse me of being part of the tin foil hat brigade, I’m not bothered. I have personally seen it happen not once but twice.


158 posted on 06/25/2012 11:10:34 PM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: MD Expat in PA; yank in the UK
"If you find a moral objection to having your kids vaccinated against Rubella, Mumps, Chicken Pox, etc.; fine, and more power to you – that’s your right. But then by all means, do the right thing and keep you and your kids away from all others, especially member of my family and pregnant women if your kids have Rubella and stay in complete isolation and deal with the devastating effects of those very preventable diseases within your own family and do us all a favor and not spread your “moral” diseases to others.

One question. If you believe vaccines are effective and confer immunity, why would you need to fear the unvaccinated? Theoretically, according to your beliefs, the unvaccinated should only be able to infect each other.

159 posted on 06/27/2012 12:42:14 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: yank in the UK
I can understand your heartbreak and frustration over this whole issue (only as much as someone that hasn't had the same personal impacts as you have could). I really wish more folks would open their minds to the possibilities that gubmint, doctors, and pharmaceutical companies don't always have the public's best interests at the forefront. It seems that it is very easy for some to accept the fact gubmints, “scientists,” universities, et al are very willing to lie continuously about things like AGW, but are indignant at the proposition that they could be lying about something else such as mandatory vaccination programs.

I can only wish you and your family the best with your daily struggles; hopefully the real truth about this issue will emerge before countless other children are damaged needlessly. Stay strong FRiend.

(See next post for link to a movie that you may find of interest.)

160 posted on 06/27/2012 4:17:05 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: Borax Queen; yank in the UK; savagesusie; All
BQ: We've been using ProPur (with the fluoride filters) for awhile.

All: If you haven't hear about this, you may be interested in this movie of the topic: Greater Good - Movie

161 posted on 06/27/2012 4:23:33 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
One question. If you believe vaccines are effective and confer immunity, why would you need to fear the unvaccinated? Theoretically, according to your beliefs, the unvaccinated should only be able to infect each other.

They are not merely my “beliefs”. It’s called herd immunity and it’s well documented.

Herd immunity

“No vaccine offers complete protection, but the spread of disease from person to person is much higher in those who remain unvaccinated.[4] It is the general aim of those involved in public health to establish herd immunity in most populations. Complications arise when widespread vaccination is not possible or when vaccines are rejected by a part of the population. As of 2009, herd immunity is compromised in some areas for some vaccine-preventable diseases, including pertussis* and measles** and mumps***, in part because of parental refusal of vaccination.”

Vaccines and your health

In other words; there are always going to be, even among the vaccinated population, a small number of people for whom the vaccination failed, a number of people who were recently vaccinated but for whom the vaccination has not yet reached its full efficacy, some people who haven’t received booster shots of certain vaccines that require boosters and didn’t get them, those who have highly compromised immune systems – think cancer patients and then infants who haven’t yet been vaccinated and are between receiving, if they were breast fed, anti-bodies via the mother’s colostrum; only if the mother has antibodies or who were vaccinated, and receiving vaccinations or the recommended booster shots, thusly reaching full efficacy.

So in other words, the more people properly vaccinated, the lesser the chance that diseases for which there are vaccinations, can spread among the population in general and especially among vunerable populations.

So yes, if you choose not to vaccinate, do everyone a favor and stay away, far, far away from those of us and our families who don’t want to perchance catch what you have.

* Be aware of pertussis complications

** A casualty of the immunization wars: The reemergence of measles

*** Mumps outbreak

162 posted on 06/27/2012 6:06:12 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: MD Expat in PA

I’m glad we live in a free society (still) where you are free to choose to use toxins and I am free to decline.


163 posted on 06/27/2012 7:15:28 PM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: MD Expat in PA; yank in the UK; All
And you trust these people?? I think the unimmunized should be avoiding those, like you, who are immunized!

http://www.naturalnews.com/036328_Merck_mumps_vaccine_False_Claims_Act.html

164 posted on 06/28/2012 4:21:04 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (Gingrich or bust! (5/7/12, I guess it's bust.))
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To: zzeeman

Thank you, good to know!


165 posted on 06/28/2012 9:03:34 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
One question. If you believe vaccines are effective and confer immunity, why would you need to fear the unvaccinated? Theoretically, according to your beliefs, the unvaccinated should only be able to infect each other.

That's an excellent point. But they act like some cult, where everyone has to take the drink of purple stuff.

166 posted on 06/28/2012 9:05:17 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: My hearts in London - Everett; All

That’s a terrible story. But the zombies and those pretending to be doctors on the Internet will never comprehend how most of the “outbreaks” are manufactured by their friends.


167 posted on 06/28/2012 12:59:05 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: My hearts in London - Everett
Natural News.com? Seriously? The same site that published this screed?

http://www.naturalnews.com/036339_Pearl_Harbor_Big_Pharma_IG_Farben.html

“On January 20, 2000, the 43rd President of the U.S., George W. Bush, was inaugurated and immediately appointed his "right hand man" Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld, the former CEO of Searle Pharmaceutical, was one of the most powerful and manipulative players in the world of the "Big Pharma" racket.

On September 11, 2001, just 20 months later, three of the most popular buildings in the world crumbled to the ground demolition style (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk) in New York City, killing over 3,000 Americans. Rumsfeld was crucial in planning the United States' response to the "attacks," and shortly thereafter the U.S. conveniently waged "pre-emptive" wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

So not only were both Pearl Harbor and 9-11 “inside jobs” (Pearl Harbor having nothing at all to do with the Japanese and 9-11 having nothing to do with Islamic terrorists BTW), FDR, GWB and Donald Rumsfeld and various members of the vast conspiracy that no doubt includes members of the British royal family and the Bilderbergers and members of the Hasting Pudding Club and probably your own HOA, manufactured it all; they planted explosives on ships in Pearl Harbor to just make it look like the Japs did it and they blew up the World Trade Center towers and made it look like a terrorist attack; all to help their “buddies” in Big Oil and Big Pharma and…it’s all probably related to contrails, rainbow vapors, UFO’s, Area 51 too.

Do you really read this crap? Do you also have a subscription to Mother Jones and High Times?

And for your and other’s edification:

First of all, this is a “class action” lawsuit that hasn’t even gone to trial yet so this is not yet a cut and dried verdict of guilt against Merck. But if the whistle blowers, the plaintiff (a small medical practice in Alabama) and their Philadelphia lawyers are correct that Merck falsified test results, Merck will pay big time and should. However:

http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/06/27/47851.htm

“Merck has presented information that demonstrated to the United States Department of Justice that these allegations are factually false, and after the Department conducted its own two-year investigation, it decided not to pursue this lawsuit,” Rogers said.”

“In addition, he said, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration “previously examined the issues raised in the lawsuit, and they were resolved to the agency’s satisfaction.”

It could be a vast conspiracy OTOH, it could be that the False Claims Act complaint had no merit.

So we will both have to wait and see what the outcome is after this class action suit based on not a claim of bodily harm but on an antitrust complaint, goes to a jury although I have little faith of a tort jury finding truth when it’s so much easier to see deep pockets and award damages because, well because after all it’s not “their” money.

“Chatom seeks to represent the class of all those who bought Merck’s mumps vaccine from Jan. 1, 1999 to today.” “Chatom is represented by Richard Golomb of Golomb & Honik, in Philadelphia.”

Golomb & Honik BTW is a Philadelphia law firm that specializes in big class action, product liability and medical law practice lawsuits and Chatom is a small medical practice in Alabama that seems to consist of one doctor with no substantial interest in an anti-trust case. So why are they (Chatom) suing Merck? Because a firm like Golomb & Honik can’t file a big class action lawsuit without a plantiff….follow the money.

So in other words, they, the law firm mostly, is poised to make lots of money, the law firm’s seeded plaintiff will make some, but pretty much no one else (like anyone one who actually caught the mumps after being vaccinated) will ever see a dime even if Merck was in the wrong.

“It claims that the degraded quality of the Merck vaccine played a role in a 2006 mumps outbreak in the Midwest, and in another outbreak in 2009.”

If anything this actually bolters the importance of an effective vaccine and vaccination program, not that an effective vaccine is to blame. Interestingly this paper

http://www.biomed.emory.edu/PROGRAM_SITES/PBEE/pdf/Glasser4.pdf

on the 2006 Mumps outbreak seems to indicate that the lack of receiving the recommended booster shots was, along with an outbreak among unvaccinated populations in the UK*, in great part to blame for the 2006 outbreak, not the lack of efficacy of the vaccination its self.

Oh and if you think that perchance “Big Pharma” is alone in falsifying data, think again: *

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/autism.vaccines/index.html

168 posted on 06/29/2012 6:30:16 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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