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Does It Matter If the Heroine of 'Brave' Is Gay?
The Atlantic ^ | June 26, 2012 | Chris Heller

Posted on 06/26/2012 8:10:11 AM PDT by C19fan

Merida, the heroine of Pixar's Brave, doesn't want to marry. Not now, she repeatedly tells her mother, Queen Elinor, and perhaps not ever. Faced with the prospect of being forced to wed one of a trio of loutish suitors, she runs away from home in search of some way to change the "fate" she was born into. That's the radical thing about Brave: Merida is a Disney princess who doesn't want a prince.

She also happens to be a tomboy, a tough and sporty archer who would rather be riding her horse than wearing a dress. On Sunday, Entertainment Weekly's Adam Markovitz used these details to draw a connection between Brave—which racked up $66 million over the weekend—and another event in the news:

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: brave; homos; homosexualagenda; movies; pixar
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What sick minds to be so obsessed with finding something homo in everything. I guess Elizabeth I is a candidate to be a lesbo too.
1 posted on 06/26/2012 8:10:17 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan
Who would think that such a tiny sliver of society could make so much noise and be so tedious at the same time?

All this gay crap is boring me to death.

2 posted on 06/26/2012 8:14:14 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: C19fan

Was Peppermint Patty gay?


3 posted on 06/26/2012 8:16:38 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan

Saw this movie this weekend with my kids. This is such BS. There was NO inferance to Merida being gay. This is RIDICULOUS. The girl just didn’t want an arranged marriage but was willing to do it to make the peace...


4 posted on 06/26/2012 8:18:39 AM PDT by Anti-Hillary (Under Romney's Governorship, MA. was the birthplace of gay marriage & socialized medicine in America)
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To: Anti-Hillary
The girl just didn’t want an arranged marriage but was willing to do it to make the peace...

Sounds like "Beauty and the Beast", where Belle didn't want anything to do with Gaston.

5 posted on 06/26/2012 8:21:30 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: C19fan

On Sunday, Entertainment Weekly’s Adam Markovitz used these details to draw a connection between Brave .... because Adam is so frickin gay it scares ya.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 8:23:38 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Anti-Hillary

Ok, thanks for the info. Reviews from Freepers help out.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 8:24:01 AM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: C19fan

The author is a stupid jerk. Even the readers of Atlantic, who are presumably mostly libs, get it, but all the reviewer can say is, “Read my essay.”

Well, they did read his essay. And they rightly concluded that his argument is stupid.

And he says, in one of his responses, that Disney is mean to girls? Good grief. For the past several decades, Disney has made girls strong and boys weak. They have been totally into feminism. Nor was the earlier, classic Disney ever mean to girls.

The author is evidently a feminist-brainwashed wimp, if not a homo.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 8:25:34 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: C19fan
I don't want to get married. I tried it for 13 yrs and now I am free. Never want to consider being married, don't want or need a man in my life although a companion for dinner now and then would be nice. Am I gay. I should think NOT. Any princess that doesn't want to marry a lout or any man doesn't constitute being gay. There's a lot to be said about freedom and independence. Even though the gay issue is shoved down our throats and put in our faces, in this case, it's the princess just isn't interested in marriage or a relationship at that time. No big deal. Relax. There are bigger fish to fry.
9 posted on 06/26/2012 8:26:16 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: C19fan

Jeepers.

‘Brave’ is a pretty good Pixar movie about an independent woman, her relationship with her mother, and her freedom.

In no way, shape, or form did the main character show any sign of attraction to women. In fact, in one very short instance, she showed brief interest in a very muscular warrior who was mistaken to be a third suitor.

The MSM needs a clue. Not everything has a homo in it.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 8:28:06 AM PDT by kidd
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To: C19fan

Three times I’ve seen professed “lesbians” willing to “go straight” for the right man.


11 posted on 06/26/2012 8:28:42 AM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: C19fan

re: “What sick minds to be so obsessed with finding something homo in everything.”

I agree with you on this one for now.

I must admit after seeing one trailer of the film, I was wondering the same thing as the writer of the article - why? Because the “gay” rights issue has so permeated every aspect of our society lately that I wondered if Disney was pushing it into children’s films.

However, after viewing all the trailers, and, doing some background research on the film and its story I don’t believe that to be the case. Its just a story of a tom-boy young girl who doesn’t want to marry any of the three losers she’s supposed to pick from. The story is more about the mother-daughter conflict between the heroine and her mom - stuff that many female adolescents go through.

So, in this case, just take the story for what it is and don’t read anything into it - for now. Unless something I’ve missed comes out, I think calling this film a promotional for a gay children’s hero is unsubstantiated.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 8:29:09 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: C19fan

The one ‘sexuality’ issue that still makes me laugh is PETER PAN.

Not a guy, not a girl, not really any sex at all.

American Society is so funny. It’s the repression of ‘sex’ that causes much of the deviancy.

Parents don’t want to , or don’t know when to talk to their children about sex, which used to mean that we learned it from friends at school.

Nowadays, they learn it from their teachers, after school.


13 posted on 06/26/2012 8:31:32 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: C19fan

No woman wants to marry a loser. Not even a lesbian wants to marry a loser. I guarantee it.


14 posted on 06/26/2012 8:31:42 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: dfwgator

Was “Cow Patty” gay?


15 posted on 06/26/2012 8:32:50 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To all my kin: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Anti-Hillary
We took the kids to Brave this weekend also. Did not even occur to me she was gay..but I did think she was to young to get married...told my daughter she should wait till she gets as old as me.:)
16 posted on 06/26/2012 8:33:35 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: C19fan

So when Jerry Falwell said the purple Teletubby was gay, the media ridiculed him for looking for homosexuality in a kid’s show. But this counts as insightful analysis?


17 posted on 06/26/2012 8:34:03 AM PDT by subaru
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To: kidd; C19fan
The MSM needs a clue. Not everything has a homo in it.

Yeah. Most of them are in the MSM.

18 posted on 06/26/2012 8:34:42 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: rusty schucklefurd
Its just a story of a tom-boy young girl who doesn’t want to marry any of the three losers she’s supposed to pick from.

More than that even, at the end, she gets the clan leaders to agree that a suitor has to win her heart before he should try to win her hand. She wasn't rejecting the suitors in and of themselves, she was rejecting the idea of being pushed into marriage before she was ready and to have no say in which suitor she should pick.

Merida is not some kind of lesbian icon; she far more resembles self-sufficient (and normal) conservative women.

19 posted on 06/26/2012 8:39:28 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: skeeter
All this gay crap is boring me to death.

Isn't AIDS defined as 'boring someone to death' ?

"OMG, I'm gay."

20 posted on 06/26/2012 8:39:34 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: dfwgator
Sounds like "Beauty and the Beast", where Belle didn't want anything to do with Gaston.

Or one of a 100 other movies.

21 posted on 06/26/2012 8:45:06 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: C19fan

I agree. Just because a heroine is not interested in being married off to someone she doesn’t like/love... and is athletic/”tom-boyish” doesn’t make her a lesbian. In fact, if people hold the definition of a lesbian as a female who is independent/strong/self reliant/athletic etc... than a whole lot of female FReepers would fit that definition.


22 posted on 06/26/2012 8:46:12 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: ROTB
Three times I’ve seen professed “lesbians” willing to “go straight” for the right man.

What 'kind' of man is the 'right' man for a lesbian?

23 posted on 06/26/2012 8:48:13 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: kevkrom

re: “Merida is not some kind of lesbian icon; she far more resembles self-sufficient (and normal) conservative women.”

Totally agree.


24 posted on 06/26/2012 8:50:21 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: C19fan

I don’t see why it would.


25 posted on 06/26/2012 8:54:43 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: UCANSEE2; Lazamataz
What 'kind' of man is the 'right' man for a lesbian?

Laz you want to handle this one?

26 posted on 06/26/2012 8:54:43 AM PDT by verga (Every single cult leader believes in home schooling....Think about it.)
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To: Bitsy
although a companion for dinner now and then would be nice

FWB??

27 posted on 06/26/2012 8:56:33 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (All you need to know about Zimmerman, innocent = riots, manslaughter = riots, guilty = riots)
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To: kidd
Not everything has a homo in it.

Yet.

28 posted on 06/26/2012 8:57:09 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ROTB

Were they fictional cartoon characters?


29 posted on 06/26/2012 8:57:32 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: momtothree

Have a look at the absolute war the homo ‘community’ has created over the My Little Pony cartoon...specifically the character “Rainbow Dash’.

If there is a freeper grad student wishing to get a Nobel in psychiatry, do a thesis on that mess. It would blow your mind.


30 posted on 06/26/2012 8:57:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: C19fan
Does it Matter? No... it is a CARTOON!!

would it matter if it was real life... No!!!

31 posted on 06/26/2012 8:58:14 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: momtothree

As a youngster I was such a tomboy. I had brothers, so most of my play time was male oriented. Climbing trees, racing, playing ball, riding bikes, mowing the yard, riding the horses. I hated “house” work. Still do, but I sure love men.


32 posted on 06/26/2012 8:59:17 AM PDT by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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To: rusty schucklefurd

The world would probably be a lot better off, if everyone just took things for what they are, instead of reading their stuff into everything.


33 posted on 06/26/2012 9:00:37 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: WVNan

Hi!!!


34 posted on 06/26/2012 9:00:57 AM PDT by Safetgiver
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To: Bitsy
Interesting to note that you are a step further along the path to wisdom than you may have realized when you opined that it would be nice to have a companion ... for dinner now and then. It is the internal desire to have that opposite sex companionship which God builds into the healthy, and which will not just go away because the societal engineers wish it to be gone. Let the spark of longing build, and grow in grace and knowledge. Men and women complete/complement each other.
35 posted on 06/26/2012 9:03:49 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: stuartcr
...instead of reading their stuff into everything.

Or, as another poster quoted a famous psychotherapist in another thread today, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I also concur with the sentiment of others here about how irritating it is that such a small slice of the population seems to be driving the discussion because of their choice on how they use their genitalia. Quite tiresome...

36 posted on 06/26/2012 9:22:47 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: C19fan
It made $66M in the first weekend, which is not good for a film that took $185M to make. Not horrible, but not impressively profitable. "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" also did badly.
37 posted on 06/26/2012 9:25:44 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: WVNan; Salamander

I grew up with three brothers and played rough just like you did. I love sports and fish every Summer. I really don’t like the “twisting” of what defines a “straight” female. For example, I wish I was more adventurous... I want to be Salamander when I grow up. LOL!!


38 posted on 06/26/2012 9:32:10 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: Anti-Hillary
Too many activist homosexuals can't think above the waist and and see sexuality in everything. It's a symptom of their infantile navel-gazing.
39 posted on 06/26/2012 9:38:26 AM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Three times I’ve seen professed “lesbians” willing to “go straight” for the right man.

What ‘kind’ of man is the ‘right’ man for a lesbian?

***

Ask *them*.


40 posted on 06/26/2012 9:49:37 AM PDT by ROTB (FReepmail me if you want to join a team seeking the LORD for a Christian revival now in the USA.)
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To: C19fan
If she had any other love interest in the film, as opposed to the suitors her parents chose, it would not only fundamentally change the film to be about the secret (or forbidden) love vs the arranged marriage, and would have been one giant cliche.

Granted, given Pixar's track record, it would have been one beautifully produced cliche, but a cliche nonetheless.

Assuming through stereotypes that she's a lesbian is just as cliche these days.

41 posted on 06/26/2012 10:15:41 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: subaru
So when Jerry Falwell said the purple Teletubby was gay, the media ridiculed him for looking for homosexuality in a kid’s show.

For the record, Falwell made the statement in 1999 and was over two years late to that party.

By December 24, 1997, CNN aired the following:

"The Teletubbies also have a following among the gay community. Tinky Winky, who carts around a red handbag but speaks with a male voice, has become something of a gay icon."

The Village Voice had already praised Teletubbies for having a gay character. There were other media notes about TInky Winky. When Falwell entered the mix, a couple of years late, it was as if nobody had ever brought up the subject before.

42 posted on 06/26/2012 10:42:59 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: T-Bird45

I agree


43 posted on 06/26/2012 10:45:50 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: C19fan

This is ridiculous! I’ll take a Disney tomboy over an author like this any day!


44 posted on 06/26/2012 10:46:06 AM PDT by sissyjane
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To: C19fan

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1642301922/70fb1b87-34ed-4ea5-ad0a-ea3a72346b3e_reasonably_small.jpg

Chris Heller
@c_heller
I’m looking for a new New Jersey. And I’m an Internet guy @theatlantic.

http://twitter.com/#!/c_heller


45 posted on 06/26/2012 10:49:49 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: C19fan

I saw the movie with my wife and kids this weekend and did not leave the movie with this impression at all. Weird how they have to try and ruin the movie. Go see it. It is a great movie and you will enjoy it.


46 posted on 06/26/2012 12:29:22 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: momtothree

The key to “being Salamander” is NEVER growing up.

[if you ‘grow up’, you grow old and you die]

Do not go gently into that dark night...go out redlining and screaming the whole way.

;D


47 posted on 06/26/2012 1:04:11 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: momtothree

Haven’t seen the movie yet but Merida is alright by me.

[substitute a .22 for a crossbow and she may as well be me]

Stupidest thing I ever did was break my vow to never get married.

LOL


48 posted on 06/26/2012 1:11:58 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: Safetgiver

Hi back at ya, PA neighbor. Thanks for your service. I can say that I love men, and I even say it to their face. I say it all the time and get away with it because I’m an old lady. There is great freedom in growing old. You are allowed to say whatever you want. I tell handsome men that they are handsome and that if I was younger they would be in trouble. Everybody likes to be complimented and made to feel important. I am most disappointed in the women of today. they are a whiny bunch. Mostly empty headed (speaking of liberals of course).


49 posted on 06/26/2012 1:26:03 PM PDT by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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To: momtothree
I want to be Salamander when I grow up. LOL!!

You and me both mom. That girl is something. She put the idea of a Trik in my head and I haven't been able to shake the idea. My hubby thinks I've lost my mind because I keep wishing for one. I can see where a motorcycle would be a problem for me at my age, but a trik would be great. I'm not giving up the dream of having one. Just waiting for that inheritance that never comes. I'm an adventurous soul.

50 posted on 06/26/2012 1:32:15 PM PDT by WVNan ("Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy." - Winston)
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