Mann at Orange County Water Conference – emotional presentation, polar bears threatened,.....

Watts up with That? ^ | June 26, 2012 | Anthony Watts

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Mann at Orange County Water Conference – emotional presentation, polar bears threatened, still thinks snows of Kilimanjaro are receding due to ‘climate change’

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Readers may recall: The question put to Dr. Mann at Disneyland today where WUWT regular Roger Sowell was one of the rare skeptics that got to ask Dr. Mann a question.

The video is now online of the event.

Sowell’s question starts at around 59:35 minutes, Mann’s answer ends about 1:03:10

UPDATE:

Dr. Mann’s slide presentation is available at this link. Note the polar bear on the ice floe.

http://www.ocwatersummit.com/   backup link: MichaelMann_OCWS  (PDF 24mb)

I find it fascinating that Mann is still pushing the now long debunked claims about the Snows of Mt. Kilimanjaro. Even Mann’s buddies Lonnie Thompson and Phil Jones privately admit the issue is local deforestation/evapotranspiration and not “climate change”. It is mind blowing he’s still pushing this.

Note point 3 in this image in his last slide:

[chopperman]

As far as I'm concerned, Mann is a bigger Penn State scandal than Sandusky. Their coverup of his shenanigans is going unchallenged.

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From the comments:

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• mfo says:

  June 26, 2012 at 6:44 am

  Quick and rough transcript courtesy of a friendly typist:

  Roger Sowell:

  In your famous paper that you co-authored with Dr Briffa and Dr Hughes in 1998, indeed you showed one result from that today with the Hockey Stick graph, you showed a warming since 1960.

  However you chose to not use tree core data after 1960 and instead to splice in the instrumental temperature record. In effect to hide the decline of the trees after 1960.…

  How do you respond to the charge that the tree ring data was cherry picked to show a desired result and that Mr Steve McIntyre has falsified your work by showing that the premise of a hockey stick falls apart when all the data is used?

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  Dr Mann:

  Okay there are a number of factually incorrect things that you’ve said there, one of which is that I co-authored a paper with Keith Briffa. I think you’re referring to the paper that we published in Nature in 1998, myself, Ray Bradley and Malcolm Hughes. Keith Briffa was not a co-author of that paper and in fact it’s an important point because you’ve actually conflated two entirely unrelated studies.

  The study you’re actually referring to is a study by Keith Briffa and colleagues that I was not part of, and the original paper that they published in 1998, also in Nature, was about the decline you’re talking about.

  It was hardly hidden. The paper that they published in 1998 was specifically about a problem known as the divergence problem where in the particular type of tree ring data that they used in their study, which we did not use in our study, by the way, that particular data exhibit this enigmatic decline in the response to temperatures after 1960.

  And so their original paper was actually about how that particular type of data can not be used to depict temperature trends in recent centuries, because of the enigmatic change in the response of trees.

  Now scientists have been studying for more than a decade now why it might be that those particular data, late wood density, maximum late wood density, from high latitude trees they were using, why that happens, why there is a decline in the response of temperature.

  And there are various factors that scientists think might be responsible, including pollution, other limiting conditions that are now taking control of tree growth that are unrelated to temperature.

  So unfortunately you conflated two completely unrelated things in a way that led to, you know, a claim, sort of an allegation about our work, that simply has no basis in reality.

  It’s part of why I wrote The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars, to try to clear the record with regard to many of the specious attacks and criticisms that have been made against me and my colleagues over the years in an effort to try to discredit our work.

  Typically in an effort to try to discredit the entire work of the world’s climate scientists that establishes the reality of human caused climate change.

  Because some people do feel threatened by that conclusion and rather than, unfortunately, rather than engaging in the good faith debate that can be had about what to do about the problem.

  That’s part of why we’re here today. What can we do about the problem? We can have a good faith debate about that. There’s a worthy debate to be had, about that, and there are valid opinions on all sides.

  But there isn’t a worthy debate to be had any more about the reality of human caused climate change.

[muawiyah]

Keep watching. My theory is that there are clusters of small scandals that seek each other out and then merge into larger and more complex scandals, and that given time they will grow into a super cluster that can link almost all scandals together.

Today we have little reason to believe Dr. Mann is involved in pedophilia ~ but there he is at Penn State ~ and where there's opportunity, and a pro-active environment, weak minds dive in.

Ol' Jer wants to be sent to a safer facility. He will talk.

[Moonman62]

I came up with a better caption for the poster.

Big government has been described as a problem with a huge "procrastination penalty." With each passing year of inaction, stabilizing our country becomes increasingly difficult.

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Final sentence:

But there isn’t a worthy debate to be had any more about the reality of human caused climate change.

The Gravy Train pays so very well,....the FIGHT continues.!!!!

[spawn44]

MANN never answered the question. He just used diversionary tactics to dance around with a BS answer much like gore used when trying to defend his fraudulent movie an inconvienent truth. The left’s propaganda does not work anymore. MANN looked like he was in a hurry to leave the stage. The emails exposed the fraud and the left has not addressed it yet. It’s all over for them.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Good one!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

fyi

[Marine_Uncle]

RE: "The Gravy Train pays so very well,....the FIGHT continues.!!!"
Anyone differing from your opinion will be hard pressed to make a case. :)

[pallis]

Environmentalists need to strap themselves to the polar bears, and protest their destruction.

[DeweyShootem]

These people that claim Global Warming is our fault are just nut’s.

Global Warming has happened before, how about 500 years ago or so, when there were NO Combustible Engines and several billion less Humans?

They need to answer that first. If they cannot explain the prior occurrences then stop the funding and they will go on to some other earth destroying calamity!

[Jenny217]

Michael Mann is stealing our air.

[TigersEye]

"But there isn’t a worthy debate to be had any more about the reality of human caused climate change."

Translation: "Our position is now so blatantly false and disingenuous it's impossible to defend in an open forum so we need to shut down discussion completely."

[justa-hairyape]

As Scotty would say to Captain Kirk.

Ah cannae stabilize th' climate withit changin' it, keptin.

English translation follows.

I cannot stabilize the climate without changing it, Captain.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Mann,....I use to be a very frequent watcher of Star Trek....Loved it.

[justa-hairyape]

Used the site below. It is pretty cool. You can create dialects for a lot of UK accents.

Woohoo !

Used the Scottie translator.

[palmer]

Today we have little reason to believe Dr. Mann is involved in pedophilia ~ but there he is at Penn State ~ and where there's opportunity, and a pro-active environment, weak minds dive in.

All we know for sure is that Mann inappropriately fondled some data to create his hockey stick and we would not want to imply anything more than that.