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Apple quietly stops touting the fact that it has a virus-free platform
Tecca ^ | June 26, 2012 | Fox Van Allen

Posted on 06/26/2012 8:08:46 PM PDT by EveningStar

The half-a-trillion dollar company finally admits that its software isn't bulletproof.

(Excerpt) Read more at tecca.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; computer; mac; mackintosh; virus

1 posted on 06/26/2012 8:08:54 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar
Apple quietly stops touting the fact that it has a virus-free platform

Since I've never been a gay Applebot, I've known that all along.

2 posted on 06/26/2012 8:13:13 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: publius911

When did they ever tout that?


3 posted on 06/26/2012 8:14:20 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: EveningStar

Take cover! AppleBots incoming in 3... 2... 1...


4 posted on 06/26/2012 8:15:44 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Apple didn’t have to, they allowed their bots to brag about Apples invulnerability to viruses. And for years this was true because all the hackers were concentrating their efforts on Microsoft. Now the tables have begun to turn ... the new challenge is being focused on Apple.

Good luck Apple ... not.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 8:26:05 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: doc1019

But the title stated they did. Even though the article does not.


6 posted on 06/26/2012 8:33:54 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Frequently the author of the article does not write the title of his article. This may or may not be the case here but it’s something that readers should always be aware of.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 8:38:41 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: SoCal Pubbie

Didn’t base my comment so much on the article, more so on my observations over many years of watching the Microsoft/Apple wars.


8 posted on 06/26/2012 8:40:36 PM PDT by doc1019 (Voting for the better of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: EveningStar

The author of the article makes the contention too.

“It’s been one of the key selling points of Macs for years: Computers made by Apple simply don’t get viruses, right?”

Then the proof of that contention does not support the thesis.

“Formerly, the Apple website featured a section entitled “It doesn’t get PC viruses,” that included the line, “A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers.” Now, however, the site section has been changed to simply read “It’s built to be safe,” and touts the built-in defenses the Mac has against viruses.”

So, again I ask, when did Apple ever say that?


9 posted on 06/26/2012 8:43:26 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: SoCal Pubbie
How about here?

Mac vs. PC

10 posted on 06/26/2012 8:51:42 PM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Or here....

Mac vs. PC (British version)

11 posted on 06/26/2012 8:54:02 PM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: SmokingJoe

I’ve been watching the beating you’ve been taking over the Surface. Thought you might like to see this.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 9:42:50 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (The democratic party is the greatest cargo cult in history.)
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To: doc1019

well it wasn’t worth it when Apple’s share of the market was 2% or less. Now it is worth it...


13 posted on 06/26/2012 11:22:58 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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Comment #14 Removed by Moderator

To: RightFighter; SoCal Pubbie
> How about here?
PC: "Last year there were 114,000 known viruses for PCs."

Mac: "PCs. Not Macs." -- that is, the PC viruses don't affect Macs.

Your post of the video doesn't support your argument. The fact that the 114,000 known PC viruses do not affect Macs is true and uncontested. What about that is so difficult to understand?
15 posted on 06/27/2012 12:02:16 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: EveningStar
Re: my comment #14 that (I assume) you requested that the Admin Mod pull:

Pardon me, I didn't realize this Apple-bashfest thread couldn't tolerate someone pointing out the obvious flaws in the article.

Macs have had malware at an increasing rate for a couple of years now. The author just discovered it. Hurrah for him. I hope his paycheck from this sad piece of writing can pay for some more up-to-date research and a few English lessons.

As for the thread, have fun, see ya.

16 posted on 06/27/2012 12:13:58 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Boogieman
> Take cover! AppleBots incoming in 3... 2... 1...

Nope, just a bored-and-jaded Unix geek, stopping by and getting yelled at. Enjoy the Apple-bash; bye!

17 posted on 06/27/2012 12:16:07 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
"Re: my comment #14 that (I assume) you requested that the Admin Mod pull: Pardon me, I didn't realize this Apple-bashfest thread couldn't tolerate someone pointing out the obvious flaws in the article. Macs have had malware at an increasing rate for a couple of years now. The author just discovered it. Hurrah for him. I hope his paycheck from this sad piece of writing can pay for some more up-to-date research and a few English lessons. As for the thread, have fun, see ya."


No, actually it was someone else who let us know about your ad hominem attack with profanity, neither of which is welcome here. Your disagreement with an author is no reason to take it out on a fellow Freeper.

18 posted on 06/27/2012 12:25:58 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator

Sincere apology offered for the profanity. I was indeed aggravated by the article and my language was inappropriate.

The comment that sounded ad hominem was actually intended as tongue-in-cheek, but obviously came off way too harsh, so another apology offered for that.

Just curious, I take it that referring to FR Mac users as gay and bots (see typical comments in thread above) is not ad hominem, since those comments were not pulled? I thought the rule was that attacking the technology was fine, but attacking the person who happens to use it was not.

I am put off by such attacks, whether made against Mac users or Windows users. Am I entitled to request that such posts get pulled? Or is that considered being hypersensitive? :)


19 posted on 06/27/2012 12:50:44 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: EveningStar

20 posted on 06/27/2012 3:38:47 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: dayglored

If you think that commercial is not Apple saying “we’re safe from viruses” then you’re either not watching it closely, or you’re so much of a fanboy that you don’t see anything Apple does with objectivity. In the commercial, the “Mac” guy claims “I’ll be fine” when told that there is a nasty virus going around. That is before the PC guy points out that there are thousands of PC viruses. The clear implication is that Apple is saying “Mac users don’t have to worry about viruses.”


21 posted on 06/27/2012 7:42:27 AM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: RightFighter
> If you think that commercial is not Apple saying “we’re safe from viruses” then you’re either not watching it closely, or you’re so much of a fanboy that you don’t see anything Apple does with objectivity. In the commercial, the “Mac” guy claims “I’ll be fine” when told that there is a nasty virus going around. That is before the PC guy points out that there are thousands of PC viruses. The clear implication is that Apple is saying “Mac users don’t have to worry about viruses.”

IMO, you're making a mountain out of a molehill.

Many years ago, when that series of Mac-PC ads was produced, the simple true fact was that Macs faced negligible threats from any kind of virus. There were a few Trojans that relied on USER stupidity, and a few laboratory-only "proof-of-concept" bits of prototype malware, but no viruses loose in the wild that could do anything. So at that time, Mac users didn't have any significant chance of catching a virus. This generated a lot of smugness among Apple customers, and as they say, pride goeth before a fall.

Now a point of clarification. Trojans which attack the USER are different from viruses which attack the operating system. You could have the most well-protected military-grade system with all manner of security in place, but if the USER with administrative privileges decides to click on a phishing link and then enter their administrator password, there's nothing the system can do to prevent that. So we're not talking about Trojan-type attacks that depend on the user doing something stupid. We're talking about "viruses", which attack the operating system. Right?

Okay, back when the ads came out, there wasn't any significant threat to Macs from viruses. So the ads, while somewhat ingenuous and cutesy, were not incorrect. The ads have not aired (except as archived on YouTube, etc.) in many years. They were done in 2006-2008 as I recall.

These days, five years later, there are some real viruses out there that can infect Macs. It's still a tiny number compared to the Windows viruses, but there are a few, so the phrases "negligible" and "no significant threat" no longer apply to Macs.

In any case, all systems are vulnerable at some level, and all systems depend on the user not doing stupid stuff. Mac users who claim their systems are impervious to infection are foolish (and factually incorrect).

Please also note that no so-called "anti-virus" software gives complete protection either. The total number of active "in-the-wild" Mac-specific viruses today is still LESS than the number of viruses which SLIP THROUGH even the best anti-virus packages for Windows. That's because there are so many Windows viruses, which are being updated daily by the virus makers, that it's just impossible for the anti-virus folks to keep current. They're always playing catch-up, by definition. It's a tough business.

So don't bother being smug about the fact that Macs finally have a few viruses floating around. It's just as bad as the smugness that Apple users carried for so many years. Neither is appropriate to the reality.

22 posted on 06/27/2012 8:49:47 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: RightFighter
Yeah, I just checked. A copy of the Mac-PC "Virus" ad was uploaded to YouTube in May, 2006. So it's over SIX years old. That's more or less an eternity in computer-tech years. Lots can change.

One thing that changed is that there are a few Mac-specific viruses now. Another thing that changed is that Apple no longer claims immunity to viruses.

So what's the big deal? Like I commented up in #16 above, this "revelation" is not news. It's not even worthy of "chat".

Mountain out of a molehill. And an old molehill, at that.

Oh and BTW, no I'm not an Apple fanboy. I'm a Unix geek professional System Admin who uses everything out there, Windows, Mac, Linux, BSD Unix, you name it, everyday at work and at home. It's my job, and my hobby.

I just hate disinformation, that's all.

23 posted on 06/27/2012 9:09:07 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: EveningStar; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; ...
Apple changes webpage so another webpage Tecca announces that Apple is no longer "touting" that Macs are free from viruses—PING!

This is of course ignoring the fact that Apple never claimed that... Apple stated that Macs could not get the thousands of PC viruses... and they could not. In fact, despite the fact that there are a couple of dozen Mac Trojan Horse programs in the wild, there are no successful OSX computer viruses that have ever infected Apple Mac OSX computers.


Apple Security Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

24 posted on 06/27/2012 10:20:44 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: publius911
Since I've never been a gay Applebot, I've known that all along.

And you've been wrong for 11 years.

26 posted on 06/27/2012 10:27:23 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: publius911

“Since I’ve never been a gay Applebot, I’ve known that all along.”

Just a gay Microsoftie, eh? ;-)

“Microsoft” - what a manly name for a company...


27 posted on 06/27/2012 10:36:09 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: EveningStar

Apple only user here since 2008. Not had a single virus or trojan across 4 different macs in that time.

Better yet, I don’t think that’s going to change. If I surfed porn or warez sites, maybe. Since I don’t I’ve got more useful things to waste my time on that worrying about viruses or PC vs Mac fights.

Peace :)


28 posted on 06/27/2012 10:54:59 AM PDT by TheStickman
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To: dayglored
We who work with Macs daily are STILL looking for a Mac that was infected in the wild with that so-called Flashback Trojan that supposedly self-installed to make up that 600,000 member MacBot that made such a large news event a couple of months ago. I have yet to find ANYONE who was infected. I know hundreds of Mac users. All we saw was anecdotal reports. . . about information from honeypots that were getting hits from "infected Macs" but no one was reporting their Macs as actually being infected!

There was one Freeper who contacted me who thought he might have been infected, but when I told him how to check, it turned out negative.

Many people who bought brand new Macs, who checked their machines with the on-line LISTING of so-called infected Macs provided by DoctorWeb, using the UUID # of their new computer, which DID NOT HAVE JAVA INSTALLED, found their computer listed as a member of the botnet. This was impossible. Yet their computers were listed. Blogs that posted the link for testing software had people reporting back that their machines found NOTHING...even ones that were listed on the DoctorWeb site as being members of the botnet!

I looked for over a week at various help forums and found not a single report of an infected machine cleaned of the so-called virus—except a few reports from people who were obvious trolls who gave clues they were not Mac owners by what they wrote ("I bought this damn Mac because of the ads saying it would never get a virus, and since it did, I'm going to buy a Windows 8 computer for my next computer!" or "Apple lied to me about how it would never get a virus! So I'm going back to Windows! Never trust Apple again!").

This had all the earmarks of a HOAX perpetrated to sell anti-virus software for Macs... which it was very successful at doing.

That kerfluffel has passed completely from the awareness. . . as have all the others. I still stand by the statement that there are no OSX viruses... Trojans, yes, viruses, no.

29 posted on 06/27/2012 11:01:41 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

Now that many are using both the Mac OS and the Microsoft OS on their Macs, I would guess that some will holler and whine that Macs can too get PC viruses, not realizing that it is the operating system, not the hardware.

Have been using Macs since the Apple IIe, & never have had a virus or a trojan. But that doesn’t mean a thing for the future.

I don’t understand the hostility to the Mac OS. It is unseemly, in my personal opinion.


30 posted on 06/27/2012 11:02:05 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: Swordmaker
I haven't seen any actual evidence of "Flashback" myself, nor have I talked with anyone who has. My own take on that is that it was a purposeful scam propagated by a few anti-virus researchers and vendors, to boost AV sales. At this point, months later with no actual evidence and lots of counter-evidence, it's the only reasonable explanation.

Call me a cynic. But I'm usually right about that kind of stuff.

I won't argue your claim of zero OSX viruses as of today. I'll only say that I don't have the data to prove it either way, and it's impossible to "prove" a negative. Since few serious researchers are setting up banks of Macs to try to demonstrate autonomous propagation (required for it to be a true virus), I don't know when someone with real authority will come up with a provable Mac virus.

I do think someone eventually will, and may have already. So I take a somewhat less hard-line position in the present.

Now let's see, how many dozen new Windows viruses and strains appeared just in the past 24 hours?

To be fair to Windows, I find Win7 very stable and secure, and I like it best of any Windows release to date. I use it about 12 hours every day to run my System Admin department. Works great. And damn few new viruses and strains can get into a proper Win7 install.

But a huge number (is it still a majority?) of Windows users in the wild are still on XP, and most are NOT patched up to date with security fixes. Even with the growing popularity of OSX, Windows machines remain the target. They are the target that keeps the virus writers busy, and will keep them busy for years to come.

31 posted on 06/27/2012 8:23:35 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: EveningStar

“Gay Applebots” and “Trojans” and “Macs are safe”? The jokes write themselves, I’ll step aside.


32 posted on 06/27/2012 8:34:38 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: RightFighter

Nope. It did not say Mac was virus free, sorry.


33 posted on 06/27/2012 11:09:52 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: RightFighter

Nope. Have any others?


34 posted on 06/27/2012 11:11:24 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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