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SWAT tries to take down Internet meanie; raids grandma instead
RT.COM ^ | 27 June, 2012 | staff

Posted on 06/27/2012 8:48:55 PM PDT by djone

"An Evansville, Indiana SWAT team recently attempted to execute a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of an anonymous Internet user who made malicious remarks on the Web. Instead, they destroyed the home of an innocent grandmother"....Flash-bangs thru a window, even when the front door was open...invited TV crew to be on hand....can't find search warrant -says producing the search warrent could "compromise the investigation"..

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TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: internet
We have an idea in our mind who it is, but we don’t have evidence yet,” Bolin explains to the Courier.....'Acting on the assumed planned act of aggression, officials were able to figure out the author’s IP address. As several courts have ruled recently, though, that isn’t enough to exactly single out a certain home, let alone a person. While an Internet Protocol address can be linked to a computer, any person who accesses that network’s WiFi — with or without authorization — can be linked to that IP".
1 posted on 06/27/2012 8:48:58 PM PDT by djone
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To: djone
The SWAT team did not have the name of who they were going after. They barely even had an identity. What they did have to work with, though, was the IP address of a person who logged onto the Topix.com Web forums and made discouraging remarks about local law enforcement.

You knew this type of thing was coming.

2 posted on 06/27/2012 8:54:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: djone
Even still, the department says that the hunch was enough to throw two flash-bang stun grenades into the front window of Ira Milan’s home. The Courier Press reports that the front door was open at the time of the incident.

Guess they never heard of politely knocking.

3 posted on 06/27/2012 8:56:11 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: djone; SmithL; Eyes Unclouded; Rodney King; Redcitizen; ellery; dcwusmc; Forgotten Amendments; ...
"Whoops... Sorry, citizen. We thought you were someone else" PING

Click the link to be added to the "Whoops. Sorry, citizen. We thought you were someone else" PING list.

4 posted on 06/27/2012 8:56:11 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: djone

“Go where the STINK is” —a motto of journalists, right?

But for THIS news, ya had to go to a RUSSIAN web site. I find that hugely instructive.

You want honest BAD news about Obama? Sorry, you need a BRITISH newspaper.

News about US oppression? Sorry, read a RUSSIAN paper.

ISN’T HAVING A DIVERSE POTUS WONDERFUL?


5 posted on 06/27/2012 8:58:17 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: dragnet2
Yeah, it's getting to the point that I'm looking for a sucker to take over the FR 'Wrong House' *PING* list from me.
6 posted on 06/27/2012 9:01:56 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: djone
"made discouraging remarks.."

Good God! It's a frigging sad day when I'm one of the smart ones.


7 posted on 06/27/2012 9:02:41 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: Vigilanteman
Even still, the department says that the hunch was enough to throw two flash-bang stun grenades into the front window of Ira Milan’s home. The Courier Press reports that the front door was open at the time of the incident.

Forget the open door, throw the GD grenades through the windows.

lol....

8 posted on 06/27/2012 9:05:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: All
Internet meanie????

The person was threatening terrorist attacks on police.

"“4th of July a cops house gonna get hit. dont care about your kids or btchs lives. I dnt even care bout my own life. I got my reasons..times ticking,” reads one post from usarmy.

“I am proud of my county, but I hate police of any kind,” reads another. “I have explosives.:) made in America.Evansville will feel my pain.guess who's in the river.”

9 posted on 06/27/2012 9:21:38 PM PDT by icwhatudo (This is not a choice between Romney&Reagan-Its between Romney & most radical leftist Pres in history)
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To: icwhatudo

What do these threats have to do with swat getting the wrong house?


10 posted on 06/27/2012 9:42:51 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: icwhatudo
So every armchair general and keyboard conquistador deserves to have flash-bangs tossed into his broken windows... and have his doors shattered by battering rams... then likely have his pets killed.

I only wish you suffer the same fate, fool. If you allow it for wannabe idiots typing alone at home, then you allow it for anyone at any time. Enjoy what you're bringing to America's future.

11 posted on 06/27/2012 9:52:22 PM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Our Best, Bravest and Brightest...that is the scariest part.


12 posted on 06/27/2012 9:58:56 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: icwhatudo

And now, as a result of the epic incompetence of this bunch of Barney Fifes in tacticool gear, a bunch more people who yesterday might have supported law enforcement think that the police deserve such threats.

The problem here wasn’t the threat. People make threats all the time.

The problem here is that cops are way too quick to use their toys and rather slow to use their brains.


13 posted on 06/27/2012 10:03:09 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: dragnet2

Someone....with money....needs to make movies about these incidences and go to the very town and, using the official records, film a series of short stories about these...”OOPS WRONG HOUSE”.

Me thinks it would make a good title and audience draw.


14 posted on 06/27/2012 10:04:22 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: djone

Could this be the next form of SWATing someone? Just get within range of an unsecured wireless router and send threats to the police et al with the JBTs responding to that IP address’s location?


15 posted on 06/27/2012 10:07:02 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

That has already happened in the Twin Cities area. Some disgruntled neighbor linked to his victim’s unsecured router, sent threatening e-mails to the President and then starting hitting some child porn sites. Fed’s made the victim’s life hell until they caught on that none of the stuff was on his computer, just his IP address, and tracked it down to the disgruntled neighbor (who probably gloated a little too much). The disgruntled neighbor is doing Federal hard time.

I would not put this past a Brett Kimberlin.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 10:21:42 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is the operational wing of CPUSA.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I sure do look forward to retirement here in the U.S.

Nothing like trying to mix up your Metamucil while wondering if some SWAT team is gonna kick in your front door because you looked at women’s breasts on the computer, (insert dead dog here), or if a Predator drone will take me out while I’m mowing the yard because some bureaucrat mistakenly swears they saw a small child under the mover, or some IRS agent “retires” me Bladerunner style because I failed to comply with provision 77.772-a, subsection 3a.2.4.47.8 clearly found on page 2,127 of the Patient Affordable Care Act, in violation of tolerated conduct.

My existence is a threat to society these days.


17 posted on 06/27/2012 10:41:43 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: dragnet2

They got a warrant on such a flimsy premise as this?


18 posted on 06/27/2012 10:54:36 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: djone

The minimum age limit for becoming a cop should be thirty, with at least five years of that time spent at a non military, non law enforcement job. Young kids go straight into the military out of high school. They get regimented, and learn the chain of command. They learn not to question orders. They leave the military, and go into law enforcement where they are surrounded by other young people who are regimented, out of the military, and hungry for the adrenalin rush of a military raid on civilian enemies. They don’t know the people they serve, or even think of their jobs as serving their communities. Breaking into someone’s house, shooting their dog, throwing women and children down on the floor is just good fun. They could care less about being in the wrong house, or why they are in the house in the first place.


19 posted on 06/27/2012 11:45:45 PM PDT by pallis
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To: factoryrat
They got a warrant on such a flimsy premise as this?

What warrant ? What I read says they couldn't 'find' it, and said even if they did, it would compromise an investigation.

You know, like Obama declaring Executive Privilege over the F+F documents.

20 posted on 06/27/2012 11:48:45 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: NVDave

There is a rather simple solution to this growing problem...make the cops lay out a $5 million dollar bond on the accuracy of their plan. This would involve a commercial evaluation of the cops and their potential screw-ups...with a fee put down for each and every raid. Then I’d take the five million and hand it that day over to the wronged victim. The cops involved? Well...the city council would start to ask about the cost factor of raids, and then eventually get involved in what was only a cop operation before.

The thing here....is if you go back to before the 1970s...we simply did not have raids. There’s been this massive growth since the 1980s for each community’s cops to run raids. I wouldn’t have an issue if this was done in daylight hours, but it’s now mostly always in the evening.

The comical side of this is that cops will insist that the raids are having an effect on drug sales in each community. If true, then the cost factor would be increasing. Take note, over the years, illegal drug cost really hasn’t ever been affected by one, or ten, or a hundred, or a thousand raids. If you remove one salesman, you simply are opening up the door for another salesman to enter...it is that simple.


21 posted on 06/28/2012 12:21:51 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: djone

Did they at least manage to shoot a puppy or kitten?


22 posted on 06/28/2012 12:49:45 AM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Could this be the next form of SWATing someone? Just get within range of an unsecured wireless router and send threats to the police et al with the JBTs responding to that IP address’s location?

Well, the traditional SWATing technique is to spoof your caller-ID as that of the target while calling emergency line of of the PD covering the target. (This is similar to the technique Prince Rupert's minions used to hack into those UK voice-mail boxes — the carrier relied on caller-id instead of needing a password to access the target's voicemail.)

In the case of traditional SWATing, all of the responsibility falls upon the perp, the PD and the phone carrier and none on the victim.

In the case you site, running an unsecured access point just invites trouble, doesn't it? Although, as a juror in the probable civil case, I'd still be prepared to bankrupt the PD's jurisdiction if anybody got killed, no matter the AP owner's idiocy!

23 posted on 06/28/2012 12:55:24 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: djone
Maybe the Evansville Indiana police force should relocate to Chicago.

There's obviously not much for them to do at home.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 1:03:56 AM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: pallis
The minimum age limit for becoming a cop should be thirty, with at least five years of that time spent at a non military, non law enforcement job. Young kids go straight into the military out of high school. They get regimented, and learn the chain of command. They learn not to question orders.

I entered the military two weeks after graduation and never ending up kicking anyone's door in. Then again, I've been told by the wife that I have authority issues anyway. But I've seen more than a fair share of local law enforcement officers that never stepped into a recruiter's office, let alone the military.

The problem is that far too many police departments are over equipped than is necessary for their needs. So when they get a call, they feel compelled to grab their cool looking gear and run out to play Rambo. After all, if they don't use it, it sure is hard to justify needing more.

I used to see alot of these Rambo types when I was teaching Martial Arts in Northeast PA. A few of them were invited to "NOT" come back as a result of their of attitudes. As the saying goes, "A fish rots from the HEAD down."

25 posted on 06/28/2012 1:07:00 AM PDT by voicereason (The RNC is the "One-night stand" you wish you could forget.)
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To: pepsionice

Some time back a neighbor and I were chatting and he brought up a incident he had read about on the internet. he asked me what I knew about it and I told him that I knew just as much as he did since I wasn’t there and he wasn’t either.

He then said something that has bothered me since then. He said there have always been gangs around in the United States going all the way back to the early colonial days. But today the Gang he fears the most is not the Crips or the Bloods or MS-13, no today he fears the Police the most. Because they don’t seem to care about the results of their actions and they don’t seem to get punished by the legal system. And most of all because they are the most heavily armed of the gangs and seem to love using the stuff the most.

I kind of agreed but then I told him it might be better for his blood pressure to start reading a book in the evening rather than watching the news or browsing the ‘net’.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 3:28:27 AM PDT by The Working Man
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To: icwhatudo

SWATting. That is the only thing this could be. Anybody in that house have an sociopathic enemy?


27 posted on 06/28/2012 4:09:54 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: factoryrat

You just hit the nail on the head....

A judge has to sign off on these warrants....

A judge needs to see the “probable cause”

Yet, these here judges just keep getting re-elected...

Until the population wakes the hell up, and changes out all the politicians (including judges) every 4 years, this will continue to go on and on...


28 posted on 06/28/2012 4:11:06 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: djone
The public needs to be advised as to the identity of the judge who issued a warrant on a ‘virtual address’. Our system of checks and balances is horribly broken.
29 posted on 06/28/2012 4:19:38 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: djone
Flash-bangs thru a window, even when the front door was open

"Look! The door is open...could be a trap!...better throw the grenades!"

30 posted on 06/28/2012 5:16:37 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: I see my hands

Ya beat me to it. My brain read “disparaging” but my eyes saw “discouraging.”


31 posted on 06/28/2012 5:22:26 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: djone; dragnet2; Vigilanteman; The KG9 Kid; gaijin; I see my hands; icwhatudo; AlmaKing; ...

Perhaps some enterprising lawyers are thinking “Rules for Reactionaries.”

Maybe they’ve thought of lawyering up appropriately a client and then swatting themselves for a big payday? I’m not saying it was aliens who called....but it was aliens.


32 posted on 06/28/2012 6:09:05 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine
Perhaps some enterprising lawyers are thinking “Rules for Reactionaries.”

Given the current state of our ridiculously litigious society in America, this scenario makes the most sense.

33 posted on 06/28/2012 6:22:58 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: sam_paine
ya know, one thing that is interesting about so many of these raids, is that it is obvious to me that the police don't actually expect opposition at all. It's all just an excuse to act 'tough', and spread the fear.

Let's say someone really does want to kill a bunch of cops and isn't particularly worried about, or even interested in, surviving the encounter. One real easy way to do it would be to set up a nice, strong position with a view towards entrances, and simply 'swat' yourself. You'll get a bunch of 'roided up thugs piling right in your front door that can be taken out quite effectively with a .308. From what I've seen of these raids, a calm shooter could take out 5 or 6 of these thugs before they even knew what happened. You could probably also rely on some additional 'friendly fire' hits as well.

If you think about it just a little bit, the stated reason for these types of raids don't make sense at all.

34 posted on 06/28/2012 6:27:54 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: sam_paine
ya know, one thing that is interesting about so many of these raids, is that it is obvious to me that the police don't actually expect opposition at all. It's all just an excuse to act 'tough', and spread the fear.

Let's say someone really does want to kill a bunch of cops and isn't particularly worried about, or even interested in, surviving the encounter. One real easy way to do it would be to set up a nice, strong position with a view towards entrances, and simply 'swat' yourself. You'll get a bunch of 'roided up thugs piling right in your front door that can be taken out quite effectively with a .308. From what I've seen of these raids, a calm shooter could take out 5 or 6 of these thugs before they even knew what happened. You could probably also rely on some additional 'friendly fire' hits as well.

If you think about it just a little bit, the stated reason for these types of raids don't make sense at all.

35 posted on 06/28/2012 6:28:18 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: voicereason

“I entered the military two weeks after graduation and never ending up kicking anyone’s door in. Then again, I’ve been told by the wife that I have authority issues anyway. But I’ve seen more than a fair share of local law enforcement officers that never stepped into a recruiter’s office, let alone the military.”

I didn’t wait until graduation. My post wasn’t a criticism of young kids who enter the military. It was more a plea for them to try a normal life before going into law enforcement—those who choose to do that. Even without military experience, law enforcement is not a job for young kids who think battering down someone’s door is cool. They should grow up a little; pay for a door of their own; know people who would be frightened by having their door battered down. At least let them mature enough to understand that government shouldn’t abuse force just because it can, and cops shouldn’t abuse power because they can.


36 posted on 06/28/2012 7:08:28 AM PDT by pallis
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To: dragnet2

We need a SWAT team to do THIS ????

This is insanity!!


37 posted on 06/28/2012 9:26:20 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: djone

“a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of”

This is truly frightening. When did the warrant process morf into a way to make an example out of anyone?


38 posted on 06/28/2012 10:56:56 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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