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Posted on 06/27/2012 8:48:55 PM PDT by djone
"An Evansville, Indiana SWAT team recently attempted to execute a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of an anonymous Internet user who made malicious remarks on the Web. Instead, they destroyed the home of an innocent grandmother"....Flash-bangs thru a window, even when the front door was open...invited TV crew to be on hand....can't find search warrant -says producing the search warrent could "compromise the investigation"..
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You knew this type of thing was coming.
Guess they never heard of politely knocking.
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“Go where the STINK is” —a motto of journalists, right?
But for THIS news, ya had to go to a RUSSIAN web site. I find that hugely instructive.
You want honest BAD news about Obama? Sorry, you need a BRITISH newspaper.
News about US oppression? Sorry, read a RUSSIAN paper.
ISN’T HAVING A DIVERSE POTUS WONDERFUL?
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Forget the open door, throw the GD grenades through the windows.
lol....
The person was threatening terrorist attacks on police.
"“4th of July a cops house gonna get hit. dont care about your kids or btchs lives. I dnt even care bout my own life. I got my reasons..times ticking,” reads one post from usarmy.
“I am proud of my county, but I hate police of any kind,” reads another. “I have explosives.:) made in America.Evansville will feel my pain.guess who's in the river.”
What do these threats have to do with swat getting the wrong house?
I only wish you suffer the same fate, fool. If you allow it for wannabe idiots typing alone at home, then you allow it for anyone at any time. Enjoy what you're bringing to America's future.
Our Best, Bravest and Brightest...that is the scariest part.
And now, as a result of the epic incompetence of this bunch of Barney Fifes in tacticool gear, a bunch more people who yesterday might have supported law enforcement think that the police deserve such threats.
The problem here wasn’t the threat. People make threats all the time.
The problem here is that cops are way too quick to use their toys and rather slow to use their brains.
Someone....with money....needs to make movies about these incidences and go to the very town and, using the official records, film a series of short stories about these...”OOPS WRONG HOUSE”.
Me thinks it would make a good title and audience draw.
Could this be the next form of SWATing someone? Just get within range of an unsecured wireless router and send threats to the police et al with the JBTs responding to that IP address’s location?
That has already happened in the Twin Cities area. Some disgruntled neighbor linked to his victim’s unsecured router, sent threatening e-mails to the President and then starting hitting some child porn sites. Fed’s made the victim’s life hell until they caught on that none of the stuff was on his computer, just his IP address, and tracked it down to the disgruntled neighbor (who probably gloated a little too much). The disgruntled neighbor is doing Federal hard time.
I would not put this past a Brett Kimberlin.
I sure do look forward to retirement here in the U.S.
Nothing like trying to mix up your Metamucil while wondering if some SWAT team is gonna kick in your front door because you looked at women’s breasts on the computer, (insert dead dog here), or if a Predator drone will take me out while I’m mowing the yard because some bureaucrat mistakenly swears they saw a small child under the mover, or some IRS agent “retires” me Bladerunner style because I failed to comply with provision 77.772-a, subsection 3a.2.4.47.8 clearly found on page 2,127 of the Patient Affordable Care Act, in violation of tolerated conduct.
My existence is a threat to society these days.
They got a warrant on such a flimsy premise as this?
The minimum age limit for becoming a cop should be thirty, with at least five years of that time spent at a non military, non law enforcement job. Young kids go straight into the military out of high school. They get regimented, and learn the chain of command. They learn not to question orders. They leave the military, and go into law enforcement where they are surrounded by other young people who are regimented, out of the military, and hungry for the adrenalin rush of a military raid on civilian enemies. They don’t know the people they serve, or even think of their jobs as serving their communities. Breaking into someone’s house, shooting their dog, throwing women and children down on the floor is just good fun. They could care less about being in the wrong house, or why they are in the house in the first place.
What warrant ? What I read says they couldn't 'find' it, and said even if they did, it would compromise an investigation.
You know, like Obama declaring Executive Privilege over the F+F documents.
There is a rather simple solution to this growing problem...make the cops lay out a $5 million dollar bond on the accuracy of their plan. This would involve a commercial evaluation of the cops and their potential screw-ups...with a fee put down for each and every raid. Then I’d take the five million and hand it that day over to the wronged victim. The cops involved? Well...the city council would start to ask about the cost factor of raids, and then eventually get involved in what was only a cop operation before.
The thing here....is if you go back to before the 1970s...we simply did not have raids. There’s been this massive growth since the 1980s for each community’s cops to run raids. I wouldn’t have an issue if this was done in daylight hours, but it’s now mostly always in the evening.
The comical side of this is that cops will insist that the raids are having an effect on drug sales in each community. If true, then the cost factor would be increasing. Take note, over the years, illegal drug cost really hasn’t ever been affected by one, or ten, or a hundred, or a thousand raids. If you remove one salesman, you simply are opening up the door for another salesman to enter...it is that simple.
Did they at least manage to shoot a puppy or kitten?
Well, the traditional SWATing technique is to spoof your caller-ID as that of the target while calling emergency line of of the PD covering the target. (This is similar to the technique Prince Rupert's minions used to hack into those UK voice-mail boxes — the carrier relied on caller-id instead of needing a password to access the target's voicemail.)
In the case of traditional SWATing, all of the responsibility falls upon the perp, the PD and the phone carrier and none on the victim.
In the case you site, running an unsecured access point just invites trouble, doesn't it? Although, as a juror in the probable civil case, I'd still be prepared to bankrupt the PD's jurisdiction if anybody got killed, no matter the AP owner's idiocy!
There's obviously not much for them to do at home.
I entered the military two weeks after graduation and never ending up kicking anyone's door in. Then again, I've been told by the wife that I have authority issues anyway. But I've seen more than a fair share of local law enforcement officers that never stepped into a recruiter's office, let alone the military.
The problem is that far too many police departments are over equipped than is necessary for their needs. So when they get a call, they feel compelled to grab their cool looking gear and run out to play Rambo. After all, if they don't use it, it sure is hard to justify needing more.
I used to see alot of these Rambo types when I was teaching Martial Arts in Northeast PA. A few of them were invited to "NOT" come back as a result of their of attitudes. As the saying goes, "A fish rots from the HEAD down."
Some time back a neighbor and I were chatting and he brought up a incident he had read about on the internet. he asked me what I knew about it and I told him that I knew just as much as he did since I wasn’t there and he wasn’t either.
He then said something that has bothered me since then. He said there have always been gangs around in the United States going all the way back to the early colonial days. But today the Gang he fears the most is not the Crips or the Bloods or MS-13, no today he fears the Police the most. Because they don’t seem to care about the results of their actions and they don’t seem to get punished by the legal system. And most of all because they are the most heavily armed of the gangs and seem to love using the stuff the most.
I kind of agreed but then I told him it might be better for his blood pressure to start reading a book in the evening rather than watching the news or browsing the ‘net’.
SWATting. That is the only thing this could be. Anybody in that house have an sociopathic enemy?
You just hit the nail on the head....
A judge has to sign off on these warrants....
A judge needs to see the “probable cause”
Yet, these here judges just keep getting re-elected...
Until the population wakes the hell up, and changes out all the politicians (including judges) every 4 years, this will continue to go on and on...
"Look! The door is open...could be a trap!...better throw the grenades!"
Ya beat me to it. My brain read “disparaging” but my eyes saw “discouraging.”
Perhaps some enterprising lawyers are thinking “Rules for Reactionaries.”
Maybe they’ve thought of lawyering up appropriately a client and then swatting themselves for a big payday? I’m not saying it was aliens who called....but it was aliens.
Given the current state of our ridiculously litigious society in America, this scenario makes the most sense.
Let's say someone really does want to kill a bunch of cops and isn't particularly worried about, or even interested in, surviving the encounter. One real easy way to do it would be to set up a nice, strong position with a view towards entrances, and simply 'swat' yourself. You'll get a bunch of 'roided up thugs piling right in your front door that can be taken out quite effectively with a .308. From what I've seen of these raids, a calm shooter could take out 5 or 6 of these thugs before they even knew what happened. You could probably also rely on some additional 'friendly fire' hits as well.
If you think about it just a little bit, the stated reason for these types of raids don't make sense at all.
Let's say someone really does want to kill a bunch of cops and isn't particularly worried about, or even interested in, surviving the encounter. One real easy way to do it would be to set up a nice, strong position with a view towards entrances, and simply 'swat' yourself. You'll get a bunch of 'roided up thugs piling right in your front door that can be taken out quite effectively with a .308. From what I've seen of these raids, a calm shooter could take out 5 or 6 of these thugs before they even knew what happened. You could probably also rely on some additional 'friendly fire' hits as well.
If you think about it just a little bit, the stated reason for these types of raids don't make sense at all.
“I entered the military two weeks after graduation and never ending up kicking anyone’s door in. Then again, I’ve been told by the wife that I have authority issues anyway. But I’ve seen more than a fair share of local law enforcement officers that never stepped into a recruiter’s office, let alone the military.”
I didn’t wait until graduation. My post wasn’t a criticism of young kids who enter the military. It was more a plea for them to try a normal life before going into law enforcement—those who choose to do that. Even without military experience, law enforcement is not a job for young kids who think battering down someone’s door is cool. They should grow up a little; pay for a door of their own; know people who would be frightened by having their door battered down. At least let them mature enough to understand that government shouldn’t abuse force just because it can, and cops shouldn’t abuse power because they can.
We need a SWAT team to do THIS ????
This is insanity!!
“a search warrant that was issued to make an example out of”
This is truly frightening. When did the warrant process morf into a way to make an example out of anyone?
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