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OK is there ANY "Silver Lining" to today's ruling?
28 June 2012 | US Navy Vet

Posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:40 AM PDT by US Navy Vet

SOMEBODY give us SOME hope!


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1 posted on 06/28/2012 10:25:49 AM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: US Navy Vet

Here’s one: since it’s now only legal as a tax, it can be repealed with a simple majority in the Senate through reconciliation. It’s not much, I know, but it is something.


2 posted on 06/28/2012 10:28:26 AM PDT by Weight of Glory
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To: US Navy Vet
Have you heard the saying "Give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves"?

The rope is being uncoiled.

3 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:01 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: US Navy Vet

The longer we drag out the disease, the longer we suffer. Having the fecal material impact the rotating blades sooner, could lead us to recover before I assume room temperature.


4 posted on 06/28/2012 10:29:35 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: US Navy Vet

Liquor sales will increase.


6 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:25 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (John Roberts is the Anti Christ)
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To: US Navy Vet

A government mandate was NOT approved today.

What was determined was that the Obamacare opt-out payment is a tax, not a penalty.

The Anti-Injunction Act prohibits the Court from ruling on the Constitutionality of a tax until someone actually pays the tax.

If Obamacare survives repeal efforts, then in 2014, someone will pay the “tax” and then challenge its Constitutionality.


7 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:50 AM PDT by kidd
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To: US Navy Vet
SOMEBODY give us SOME hope!

Todays decision made for a GREAT day to buy stock! /s

8 posted on 06/28/2012 10:30:55 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: US Navy Vet
OsamaObamaCare is hugely unpopular in this country.Even in Massachusetts they sent a Republican to the Senate during the battle...a Republican whose entire campaign consisted of "I'll vote against OsamaObamaCare".Romney has been handed the gift of an excellent...a compelling...issue for the campaign.My understanding is that he did quite well in his initial response...stressing that it is,among other things,a *huge* tax increase.
9 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:15 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Bill Ayers Was *Not* "Just Some Guy In The Neighborhood")
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To: US Navy Vet

As it is now a tax, it can be challenged once imposed and collected.


10 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:27 AM PDT by In Maryland ( "... the [Feds] must live with the inconvenient fact that it is a Union of independent States)
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11 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:29 AM PDT by Errant
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To: US Navy Vet
Yes. Roberts ruling is correct. It says, the govt cannot do whatever it wants under the commerce clause (YAY!). And he says Congress is granted the right to tax under the Constitution (correct). He further points out that is not the job of the Supreme Court "to save the people from the consequences of their political choices."

Roberts did his job by upholding the Constitution.

Now, it's time for us to do our job by voting out all the idiots who created this insane tax and then repealing it.

12 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:33 AM PDT by tentmaker (vote for John Galt)
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To: US Navy Vet; Mrs. B.S. Roberts

The ONLY hope I can see is the “possibility” that the American people now become mad enough to vote for their own freedom and survival.
Going back into history, it required the people to become angry enough to create this nation.
Now we will see if people can become angry enough to preserve it.


13 posted on 06/28/2012 10:31:48 AM PDT by CaptainAmiigaf ( NY Times: We print the news as it fits our views.)
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To: sargon

I can’t see the whites of their eyes. What are we looking for to plink again?


14 posted on 06/28/2012 10:32:03 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: US Navy Vet
There is a silver lining; unfortunately, it will take 40 to 80 years to pan out.

Societies of plenty lead to socialist and communist yearnings, socialist and communist yearnings eventually lead to collapse (c.f., the USSR and modern Europe -- Greece, Italy, Spain, and then the others), collapse leads to societies of great hardship and scarcity, and that leads eventually back to a desire for freedom and free markets.... which leads to societies of plenty. Then the cycle begins anew. You need only read history to see this manifested, over and over.

Problem is, it will manifest here long after our passing.

15 posted on 06/28/2012 10:33:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Plessy v. Ferguson. It can be overturned.


16 posted on 06/28/2012 10:33:23 AM PDT by jimfree (In Nov 2012 my 12 y/o granddaughter will have more relevant executive experience than Barack Obama)
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To: US Navy Vet

Yes. Roberts and the Libs, contrary to common wisdom of most of my fellow Freepers, have FORCED the American Public and the Congress to either poop or get off the pooper.

The Dems do not want us off the pooper, lest they be up to their neck in poop.

So FINALLY we either have to develop a spine or be ruled by fiat. There is no longer an excuse possible.

Conservative business will now terminate many lib employees or pay dearly.

Conservatives will now defriend and defamily themselves of liberal influence or be an active participant in their own demise.

Honestly, I’m glad this happened for the reasons above. The country NEEDED a slap in the face. Now it can do the right thing and correct it’s error or fall/fail utterly.

NO MORE EXCUSES.


17 posted on 06/28/2012 10:33:23 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: US Navy Vet

The silver lining...tomorrow might be the perfect day to buy silver...watch the prices closely. :)


18 posted on 06/28/2012 10:33:33 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: prisoner6

Don’t kid yourself; if anyone is being fitted for ropes, it’s us right here.


19 posted on 06/28/2012 10:33:43 AM PDT by jpl (The government spent another half a million bucks in the time it just took you to read this tagline.)
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To: tentmaker

I wish there was a “like” button! Very true... and as it is a tax, there is no way to spin it as popular. “Taxes” can also be repealed and reduced much more easily than a mandate.


20 posted on 06/28/2012 10:33:54 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: US Navy Vet

Was there a silver lining in the Stamp Act? The Declaratory Act? The Tea Act?

The Supreme Court’s ruling today is the eqivalent of the Intolerable Acts, when the conspiracy against the people became clear for all to see.

It’s 1774 again, people. Let’s get to work!


21 posted on 06/28/2012 10:34:26 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: US Navy Vet

How about that Americans now have access to affordable health care? /SARC


22 posted on 06/28/2012 10:34:26 AM PDT by JTHomes (A lot of injustice is done under the cover of law.)
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To: US Navy Vet
No, there isn't.

The issue is no longer Obamacare itself, so arguments on that score don't matter. I couldn't care less about any short-term partisan advantage this may or may not represent.

The only thing that matters is that the Supreme Court has now confirmed that we are all serfs to the federal government, cementing it's earlier Kelo decision that we only have the illusion of actually owning property. Now, we are completely subject to the whim of the government, or face "taxes" in penalty. And when the "taxes" get to be so great that they can't be paid, what happens?

23 posted on 06/28/2012 10:34:36 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: US Navy Vet

First, and always - God is on His throne and firmly in control.

Second - none of Obamacare goes into place until 2014. What that means is that freedom lovers have this as a passionate issue for the 2012 elections.

Third - this can be undone.

Fourth - this won’t kill us. It will make us stronger.


24 posted on 06/28/2012 10:34:50 AM PDT by Eccl 10:2
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To: US Navy Vet
This is a Pyrrhic victory for the Democrats. Governor Romney has already said his first order of business as President will be to repeal Obamacare. Also, B. Hussein can't run against the Supreme Court justices.....if Obamacare had been repealed, he could've spent the rest of the time campaigning against the Supremes, ignoring the abominable economy. Now, the economy AND CommieCare will be on the front burner.

I see a bloodbath for the Democrats in November. GOP voters will be crawling over broken glass to get to the polls.

25 posted on 06/28/2012 10:35:00 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama doesnÂ’t have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: US Navy Vet

Simple: Now that Roberts has called a spade a spade (that it’s a tax) it gives every federal candidate their main talking point for this election. It is our Prime Directive for defeating all those who voted for it this election.

Though I think the decision still sucks, kudos to Roberts in calling it a tax. People are saying ‘how can the govt tax you for inaction?’ They do all the time - it’s called a FINE, which we all know is really a TAX, and they’ve simply tried to polish the turd by calling it something else.


26 posted on 06/28/2012 10:35:02 AM PDT by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - America stands or falls. No more excuses. Get involved.)
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To: US Navy Vet

We’re another step closer to finally having it out in Civil War 2.0?


27 posted on 06/28/2012 10:35:13 AM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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“Awakening the sleeping giant” that’s American conservatism is a very good thing, prior to this November’s general election. The next Congress will be much more conservative, and they, along with President Romney, have promised, over and over and over, to repeal all of ObamaCare, as soon as possible. The majority of the general public have been against ObamaCare (along with everything else pro-Barack Obama) for a very long time, and electing a majority of anti-ObamaCare politicians to the next Congress and WH will succeed in the complete repeal of all of ObamaCare. Really!


28 posted on 06/28/2012 10:35:34 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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To: tentmaker
That to me is a HUGE silver lining.

0bamacare may or may not survive as legislation.

The individual mandate/tax may or may not survive SCOTUS review after someone pays the tax and has standing to challenge it.

But the principle that the commerce clause is a LIMITED power is one that will no doubt be cited so long as America and the concept of a government of limited and enumerated powers endures.

Finally, AT LAST, there was one “camel” that was just too big fat and ugly to be threaded through the “needle” of the commerce clause.

29 posted on 06/28/2012 10:35:51 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: US Navy Vet
Did the lower half of the income earners just get notified they will be getting a $3000 tax/penalty if they do not buy health insurance next year?
30 posted on 06/28/2012 10:36:23 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
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To: Weight of Glory
Here’s one: since it’s now only legal as a tax, it can be repealed with a simple majority in the Senate through reconciliation. It’s not much, I know, but it is something.

If that is true then it is quite significant.

Obviously we are much more likely to get 51 GOP Senators after November 6th than we are to get 60.

31 posted on 06/28/2012 10:37:03 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: US Navy Vet
FOX reporting,

Romney vows to repeal, since this ruling this morning he has tweeted they have reported a million dollars in donations today.

32 posted on 06/28/2012 10:37:33 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: tentmaker
I mostly agree with you. This is my post from another thread.

What Did SCOTUS Just Do?

They took a not surprising course and kicked the matter back into the hands of the voters.

The showdown is in November.

Be there.

33 posted on 06/28/2012 10:37:34 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Obama’s “Signature Accomplishment” (achieved with the help of his fellow socialists in congress) is the opposite of a selling point.

He is the instigator of “THE LARGEST TAX INCREASE IN HUMAN HISTORY”.

Not likely to appeal to any voter with a brain, and the election is right around the corner.


34 posted on 06/28/2012 10:37:39 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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I'm telling everyone this: Hey Libs, you should be very afraid. Thanks to Obama, Pelosi and Reid the SC says the Federal Government can tax you for NOT doing something they want you to do. How will you like it when some future administration tells you that you will be taxed if you do NOT buy a gun. Or if you do NOT attend the church of your choice. Freedom of religion and the 2nd amendment are a much stronger constitutional argument than some make-believe “right to health care”. The Federal government can now tax you for ANY behavior you aren't doing that they want you to do. You Libs have always worried about “Big Brother”...well, now YOU'VE GOT IT. Thanks to Obama, Pelosi and Reid.
35 posted on 06/28/2012 10:37:43 AM PDT by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Eccl 10:2
Second - none of Obamacare goes into place until 2014

Some of it has already gone into effect.

Third - this can be undone

Obamacare itself? Yes. But getting the USSC to overturn its own precedent in decalring us all to be serfs of the federal government, not as easy.

Fourth - this won’t kill us. It will make us stronger.

Neither. It's made us slaves.

36 posted on 06/28/2012 10:38:23 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: US Navy Vet

I don’t know but I do know this;

Every time we get a long complex ruling from the SC, the MSM cannot wait to tell us its a victory for liberals. Only after some diligent study by careful readers do we later learn that the much heralded victory has the seeds for destruction of the liberal position. Based on history, this opinion’s effects are not fully appreciated yet. Based on history, some things may very well surface that takes the steam out of the perceived liberal victory.

Or not.


37 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:10 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: US Navy Vet

Holder will be held in contempt. More of a done deal


38 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:27 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: US Navy Vet
I don't know yet. I've been sitting here stewing and steaming all afternoon. I'm going to Dollar General tomorrow and get me a white windshield marker and put "NOVEMBER!" on the back window of my F-150. I'm gonna put my Glock 17 in the truck with two or three of the 33 round mags I have, too. (I have a holster and CCW permit). Truck is paid for and if it gets totalled out due to keying, or damage, etc., then I get the new one I wanted.
39 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tentmaker

But did he have to rule it a tax? Couldn’t he have stopped at “unconstitutional commerce mandate”?

I thought the House has to pass taxes and have they officially passed the Obamacare tax? Seems to me they have not. Doesn’t this throw it back into the lap of Congress?


40 posted on 06/28/2012 10:39:52 AM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: US Navy Vet
the DUmp is making fun of CNN for giving Obama his Truman Moment:


41 posted on 06/28/2012 10:40:05 AM PDT by bigbob
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To: US Navy Vet

On Drudge now:

Republican governors vow to ignore Obamacare...


42 posted on 06/28/2012 10:40:20 AM PDT by RacerX1128 (Cornered in CA)
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To: US Navy Vet

well, there is this article I just read.... as close to a silver lining as you can get, i guess...

Was today’s Supreme Court Obamacare decision a win for conservatives or a loss? It depends on what you were rooting for.

If you were above all interested in the bill being struck down, it was mostly a loss. On the other hand, if you were more concerned about the qualitative expansion in the power of the government that the bill represented, it was definitely a win.

First, the Roberts Court put real limits on what the government can and cannot do. For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.

Second, the Roberts Court also threw out a portion of the Medicaid expansion. States have the option of withdrawing from the program without risk of losing their funds. This is another major victory for conservatives who cherish our system of dual sovereignty. This was also a big policy win for conservatives; the Medicaid expansion was a major way the Democrats hid the true cost of the bill, by shifting costs to the states, but they no longer can do this.

Politically, Obama will probably get a short-term boost from this, as the media will not be able to read between the lines and will declare him the winner. But the victory will be short-lived. The Democrats were at pains not to call this a tax because it is inherently regressive: the wealthy overwhelmingly have health insurance so have no fear of the mandate. But now that it is legally a tax, Republicans can and will declare that Obama has slapped the single biggest tax on the middle class in history, after promising not to do that.

Conservatives have a shot at getting the best of both worlds: having the Supreme Court use Obamacare as a way to limit federal power while also using the democratic process to overturn the law. I didn’t think we could have one without the other, but now maybe we can.


43 posted on 06/28/2012 10:40:29 AM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: US Navy Vet

GOP governors vow to ignore Obamacare

http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-governors-vow-to-ignore-obamacare/article/2500862


44 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:08 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: US Navy Vet

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


45 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:19 AM PDT by meyer (It's 1860 all over again - the taxpayer is the new "N" word)
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To: Mr. K

There should be a silver lining for the insurance companies.

If I were a health insurance provider I would be putting together a “minimum coverage” policy with very high deductibles and rates that mirror the “tax”. I would think most folks would rather buy SOMETHING than just forfeit their money.


46 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by DJlaysitup
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To: US Navy Vet

romney has NO choice but to go BOLD and that is...romney/palin 2012 !!!!!!


47 posted on 06/28/2012 10:41:59 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: joe fonebone
But now that it is legally a tax, Republicans can and will declare that Obama has slapped the single biggest tax on the middle class in history, after promising not to do that.

And the vast majority of Americans will yawn and go back to watching American Idol.

48 posted on 06/28/2012 10:42:37 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: US Navy Vet

1. Obama, democrats and the judges who voted for this is the most despised people in the country.

2. This will wake up those people who thought they were too busy to pay attention to what comrade obama and his followers were doing. Angry people will vote.

3. States rights. Scotus said states can opt out without threat of having their federal funds stripped. We all need to write to our governors and tell them to opt us out.

4. The democrat party is toast.

5. Independents and Reagan democrats will realize how conservative they really are.


49 posted on 06/28/2012 10:42:44 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: jpl

Come and get me copper! HEHEHEHEHEHE!


50 posted on 06/28/2012 10:43:14 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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