Posted on 07/01/2012 8:51:53 AM PDT by MrChips
DOES ANYONE KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION? . . . . I heard somewhere that if Obama wins re-election (God forbid) but the Republicans take the Senate and keep the House, that the bill can be repealed as a reconciliation bill WITHOUT the president's signature. Is that true?
Apparently the president, congress and the supreme court can do what ever the hell they want when ever they without regard to laws, the constitution or regulations.
Lookit. Your not going to get rid of it. What backs the
American dollar? The full faith and credit of the federal
government. What is that faith and credit? The governments
ability to directly tax its citizens. The dollar is tanking
because this Marxist administration is printing and blowing as much money as possible to make sure we need the new tax
base to keep from going bankrupt.
They could care less about
the citizens health. They (both RINO and Libtard) just want
the power. And Romney is just another stealth Libtard just
like Roberts. Honestly, can you really say you can trust
Romney?
Meh. Polls say otherwise and the feckless Romney isn’t going to fire up anybody. If we can’t even influence our own Party to nominate a Conservative, even a SORT OF conservative, there is NO chance we would have any influence over that idiot if the stars aligned and, by miracle, he was elected.
I just watched some ditzy ‘RAT bimbo on FNC say that the dumbass, American taxpayers (TEA Party) all need to go back and read their “pocket Constitutions” because we’re all a bunch of morons who need to just shut up and choke on the court’s decision. She was smirking at us the whole time. Nice.
Bills can become law without the President’s approval. From Article I of the Constitution:
SECTION 7.
All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with amendments as on other Bills.
Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the objections at large on their journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the bill, it shall be sent, together with the objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a law. But in all such cases the votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and nays, and the names of the persons voting for and against the bill shall be entered on the journal of each House respectively. If any bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a law.
Every order, resolution, or vote to which the concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the same shall take effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the rules and limitations prescribed in the case of a bill.
All budget bills originate in the House of Representatives. If you can’t repeal the cursed thing, just defund it.
From Page 4 of the Opinion:
“(a) The Affordable Care Act describes the “[s]hared responsibilitypayment” as a “penalty,” not a “tax.” That label is fatal to the application of the Anti-Injunction Act. It does not, however, control whether an exaction is within Congress’s power to tax. In answering that constitutional question, this Court follows a functional approach,“[d]isregarding the designation of the exaction, and viewing its substance and application.” United States v. Constantine, 296 U. S. 287,
294. Pp. 33–35.
(b)
Such an analysis suggests that the shared responsibility payment may for constitutional purposes be considered a tax.”
If it walks like a duck...and talks like a duck...
No. No law can be passed with a simple majority vote, without the President’s signature.
It’s disheartening to see posts like this (and there have been many like it since the ruling was announced). If we are going to defend the Constitution against 0bama and his minions, we d**n well better know what it says.
Yep, just don’t fund the extra IRS agents that are needed in order to collect the tax.
“Obama ain’t winning..”
From your keyboard to God’s eyes!
If Romney wins in a landslide, which is now very possible, and the Senate goes hard Republican, almost assured, than they have the duty to use every trick the Democrats have used since 2009 to right the ship. It is imperative!
The argument would be it was a tax on the luxury of being a medical services freeloader.
The other word for such taxes is "sin tax". New York city's mayor thinks eating sugar is a sin and he wants it taxed. He thought driving your car into manhattan was a sin, and he's against large soda bottles ~ guy is just one sin after another.
That's why you will find many people not understanding where Roberts got these strange ideas.
I myself do not lead a perfect "Christlike" life so I know something about sin. Frankly, taxing sin to finance good works is a sin in itself. It's proponents are the worst of all sinners since they imagine you can earn salvation through works alone.
Romney believes that. Obama doesn't. He simply a control freak.
That’s the correct answer. After a presidents veto 2/3, of the members present, of both House and Senate can over ride the veto.
Im being flippant.. every hour that ticks, Obama loses votes. Im not sure anyone trusts him, except the ignorant...
Bizarre isn't it.
And that says it all.
“Michele Bachmann and others say that now that it is officially a “tax,” it can be overturned by 50 + 1 in the Senate.”
That’s only for getting it through the senate.
It’s repealed ONLY IF THE PRESIDENT SIGNS THE BILL.
If the President vetoes you need a 2/3rds to override. We wont have that many.
Bottom line: If Obama wins, we have ObamaTaxCare forever.
If Romney wins, and we get a Republican House and Senate, we get it repealed.
No, Obama would be involved no matter what if he’s still president. You can be assured he’d veto the repeal.
Ah, yes... the court decision that says you cant regulate economic inactivity... because it’s not commerce. But you can tax non-activity!
Absolutely rediculous, you can’t tax non-zctivity for the same reason it’s not comerce: it doesn’t exist.
Oh, but wait, it’s really a fine, and you can be dined for non-activity, so it’s all good!
Absolutely ridiculous.
I guess they’ve been reading physics books and decided the mandate like light, which displays characteristics of both waves and particles, also shares characteristics of two disparate things: punitive-fines and taxes.
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