Posted on 07/01/2012 7:57:19 PM PDT by trekdown
If you support the income tax then you are a Progressive. It's a central plank of the Communist Manifesto. Do you think America can adopt such foolishness without a corresponding loss of Liberty?
The real enemy here is the 16th Amendment. It allows non-apportioned direct taxation. It is a huge loophole through which Tyranny can pass unobstructed, under the guise of Congress' taxation power.
Since the 16th Amendment was (ostensibly) ratified, the People have always been potential slaves. I disagreed with Roberts, too, and he could have joined the dissent and made it the majority.
But to think that Roberts suddenly forgot who he was and had no basis for his ruling is a little naive.
If we don't like 0bamacare's individual mandate, and if we don't want to see laws like it in the future from Democrats and Republicans, then we MUST repeal the 16th Amendment. It's that simple.
The 16th Amendment, and all taxing power which flows from it, is a Tyrannical abomination which no conservative should ever support. It is, in a word, slavery.
Sorry, but the Constitution and amendments allow for collection of taxes for the operation of government and protection from outside entities. That is needed and understood by most folks.
What is NOT allowed (should not be allowed) is specific taxes (equal protection clause) of certain individuals in the sovereign states. Unfortunately, our Congress and so called Representatives don’t give a damn about the Constitution so they tax as they want.
I agree about the 16th Amendment. Just another loophole for our tax-a-holic Representatives to plow through. Laws are for the little people and the Representatives could care less.
No, I don’t think Roberts did not think through his decision (political), he did what he thought was best for him. He just forgot that he swore an oath to the Constitution. That used to mean something!
Um, rewriting the law in that manner is long-established judicial precedent. Roberts didn't do anything new. He simply pointed out, arguably correctly, that, under the 16th Amendment, Congress has the power to levy non-apportioned direct taxes. The American People have always been subject to enslavement via the income tax ever since the 16th Amendment was (ostensibly) ratified.
Do you really think that America can enact central planks of the Communist Manifesto, such as the "progressive" income tax, and not suffer a severe loss of Liberty? Without the 16th Amendment, 0bamacare is irrefutably unconstitutional.
Let's repeal it and guarantee that no Congress, present or future, Democrat or Republican, will ever possess such illegitimate power again.
I was initially perplexed at the ruling as well, and still feel that Roberts could have joined the dissent and made it into the majority, but after reading this article I had an epiphany, and now I see that the 16th Amendment is the actual culprit responsible for justifying 0bamacare's individual mandate. It couldn't be more Tyrannical.
The power usurped under the Commerce Clause pales in comparison to the slavery which is enabled by the 16th Amendment.
I wish it weren't true, but it is, and I feel that our righteous anger is better focused on that central tenet of Communism, as opposed to Chief Justice Roberts. That's my humble opinion. Flame away...
I didn’t intend to be redundant in my two posts above. I though that one of them was on a different thread...
Central planks of the Communist Manifesto are not "just another loophole..."
Income taxation is absolutely heinous in so many ways. It's beyond the scope of this thread to enumerate them all, but the "progressive" income tax is not a central tenet of Communism for some minor reason. It is essential for taking power and property away from free individuals...
How do you suppose that we support an Army or do you suppose that we have none?
Huh? There were and are numerous other types of taxation which are not nearly as Tyrannical. What a question...
Ah, yes, what a question! You could raise revenue by taxing imports from other countries (of course they would do the same and create havoc with exports and eventually taxes on revenues).
We could raid farms and gather crops to sell at a profit but that would ruin the farming industry.
We could raise revenue by taxing all outside businesses (out of country) but of course they would do the same to balance out the rates and our industries would fail.
So just what the hell are you talking about?
I’m going to assume that you’ve gone to bed - it is late. I do expect that you will provide your tax solution at a later date though. I really want to understand your thinking here.
It does have to provide for both Federal Government and the protection of America (I’d guess 60-100 billion annually at minimum).
So what and where would you tax?
We've managed to field pretty decent armed forces throughout our history without using the PROGRESSIVE income tax to fund them. Ever heard of consumption (sales) taxes? How about war bonds? Tariffs? Excises? Apportioned direct taxes?
Since providing for the common defense is one of the most important functions of the Constitution, funding for our armed forces is top priority. There are any number of ways to do that without relying on Tyrannical income taxation. It's like saying "we need to implement central tenets of Communism in order to have a proper army." Also, in peacetime, we don't need a large standing army in any event.
What income taxes (as well as fractional reserve banking, another facet of Communism America has adopted) are "needed" for is funding socialism: deficit spending, the welfare state, and all the other aspects of unnecessary, non-minimal government.
Quite honestly, I can't even believe I'm wasting my time addressing such a naive premise. How did you ever form such an unnecessary linkage between the existence of the income tax and having a decent army? It just does not follow. Let it go.
To reiterate: the "progressive" income tax is a central plank of the Communist Manifesto, and there is no validity to the assertion that America couldn't have a decent armed forces without it.
I can see why Smeagol throttled you...
I addressed my reply to myself by accident. Please see my post #150...
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