[listenhillary]

Funny wabbit, Quix is for kids.

(Sorry, you had to have been there)

[grey_whiskers]

Well, since you brought up the topic of cereals, and Quix did pontificate on UFO stuff (many of which he held to be spiritual/demonic in origin) --

The name is fairly close, and this cereal "got the zot" from Quaker Oats, so it's fair game to post it.

NO cheers, unfortunately.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

And, if Romney is as bad as Obama, things WILL be worse. Why? Because the party in the White House is blamed when things go bad. That means Republicans will be losing seats under Romney in Congress and at the state level. If Obama is a disaster, Republicans will continue to gain seats in both Congress and at the state level.

Okay, this really goes to the heart of the disagreement. You guys seem to be saying that the best course is to "whether the storm" under Obama, let the Democrats get the blame, and come back strong in 2016 with a truly conservative GOP candidate.

I think that is too late. ObamaCare is the 4th major entitlement program this country cannot afford, and if it is not repealed before it goes fully into effect in 2014, it will never be repealed. And by 2016, we will be too far down the road of fiscal irresponsibility/socialism for even the second coming of Ronald Reagan to save us.

Obama has shown that he will use executive orders, refusal of the Justice Department and ICE to enforce the laws, and every other dirty trick in the book to expand his power. By 2016, he likely will have crafted immigration and election policies that make election of a conservative impossible. We will be a permanent electoral minority.

On top of that, the fiscal cliff he is sending us over, the expansion of a new dependent class via ObamaCare, and the faceplant into Medicare insolvency will be too far gone to be reversed.

2016 is too late. Romney is certainly a risk, but given that he has at least promised to support Ryan's budget, opposes Obama's immigration moves, and supports repealing ObamaCare and making it a state issue, there is at least a chance that we can at least hold serve with him. We can halt the downward trajectory, and perhaps apply political pressure to him to make him hew as closely as possible to conservative values.certain loss on every one of those issues if Obama is reelected.

So there is a our fundamental disagreement. You think the country can weather the Obama storm until 2016, and I don't. So, my only option is to roll the dice with the guy who may do things differently.

I'd rather play Russian roulette with one chamber empty, than all of them loaded.

[Bruce Campbells Chin]

And, if Romney is as bad as Obama, things WILL be worse. Why? Because the party in the White House is blamed when things go bad. That means Republicans will be losing seats under Romney in Congress and at the state level. If Obama is a disaster, Republicans will continue to gain seats in both Congress and at the state level.

Okay, this really goes to the heart of the disagreement. You guys seem to be saying that the best course is to "whether the storm" under Obama, let the Democrats get the blame, and come back strong in 2016 with a truly conservative GOP candidate.

I think that is too late. ObamaCare is the 4th major entitlement program this country cannot afford, and if it is not repealed before it goes fully into effect in 2014, it will never be repealed. And by 2016, we will be too far down the road of fiscal irresponsibility/socialism for even the second coming of Ronald Reagan to save us.

Obama has shown that he will use executive orders, refusal of the Justice Department and ICE to enforce the laws, and every other dirty trick in the book to expand his power. By 2016, he likely will have crafted immigration and election policies that make election of a conservative impossible. We will be a permanent electoral minority.

On top of that, the fiscal cliff he is sending us over, the expansion of a new dependent class via ObamaCare, and the faceplant into Medicare insolvency will be too far gone to be reversed.

2016 is too late. Romney is certainly a risk, but given that he has at least promised to support Ryan's budget, opposes Obama's immigration moves, and supports repealing ObamaCare and making it a state issue, there is at least a chance that we can at least hold serve with him. We can halt the downward trajectory, and perhaps apply political pressure to him to make him hew as closely as possible to conservative values.certain loss on every one of those issues if Obama is reelected.

So there is a our fundamental disagreement. You think the country can weather the Obama storm until 2016, and I don't. So, my only option is to roll the dice with the guy who may do things differently.

I'd rather play Russian roulette with one chamber empty, than all of them loaded.