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Our Smart Meter Battle Has Started
Email | 6 July 2012 | Unknown Patriot

Posted on 07/07/2012 1:12:52 PM PDT by Windflier

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Just got this in email from a Tea Party friend, and thought I'd pass it along to the Freeper community.

If you haven't yet had a smart meter installed by your electric provider, perhaps this is a way to stop them from doing so.

1 posted on 07/07/2012 1:12:56 PM PDT by Windflier
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To: Windflier

Good for him, my house was new with one of these, I didn’t have a choice. No one should consent.


2 posted on 07/07/2012 1:16:42 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Windflier

It is possible for example, with analysis of certain “Smart Meter” data, for unauthorized and distant parties to determine..........sexual activities

Wow looks like the sales of battery powered vibrators will pick up.


3 posted on 07/07/2012 1:20:11 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Windflier

I think you’re freaking out over nothing.

You should worry when you, or they, start installing “smart* *appliances* in your home.

Until then, what can they do? There’s NO WAY to selectively enable/disable/control individual power draws. All they could to is cut you off completely. And they aren’t gonna do that.

FWIW, and FRegards


4 posted on 07/07/2012 1:20:11 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dila813

If you live in California you have the right to refuse and have a mechanical meter installed. Check with a Republican member of your legislature; there may be means to fight this through legislation or the courts.


5 posted on 07/07/2012 1:21:01 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: nascarnation

>> Wow looks like the sales of battery powered vibrators will pick up.

If your wife (hopefully) or significant other (sigh, that’s where society is going) needs a line-powered vibrator, I’d say there are home issues of a higher priority than “smart metering” that need your attention. :-)


6 posted on 07/07/2012 1:23:56 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dila813

Can’t you revoke the consent given by someone else?


7 posted on 07/07/2012 1:25:11 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: Windflier

Someone please explain to me how you discern sexual activity with the information gathered by a smart meter. I am sorry, but paraniod crap like this gives the tea party a bad name.


8 posted on 07/07/2012 1:25:22 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: Windflier; dila813; TEXOKIE; ELVISNIXON.com; SunkenCiv; E. Pluribus Unum; CharlyFord; ...
This should be of interest as it all comes from the same place ... U.N. Agenda 21
9 posted on 07/07/2012 1:28:48 PM PDT by Baynative (A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for others)
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To: Windflier

Lately I’ve been hearing local chatter suggesting that my electric company has switched from 60Hz to 40Hz and that its causing problems.

I don’t even know if such a thing is possible or whether I would even notice. Hopefully some knowledgeable FReeper has some info.

I do know that myself and plenty of my neighbors are noticing dimming lights and what seems to be an extraordinary rate of electric appliance failures.


10 posted on 07/07/2012 1:31:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: dila813

Sadly for us they installed our smart meter about 4 years ago before we realized what it really was. Not to worry we will be moving to a mountain retreat soon and will make sure we do not have a smart meter and we are also planning an alternative off grid power system for backup. At some point the govt will start shutting off power for one reason or another. Everyone should be thinking about this.


11 posted on 07/07/2012 1:34:47 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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"...my electric company has switched from 60Hz to 40Hz"

You do have a battery powered BS meter don't you?

12 posted on 07/07/2012 1:37:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: beef
Someone please explain to me how you discern sexual activity with the information gathered by a smart meter. I am sorry, but paraniod crap like this gives the tea party a bad name.

Some people will permit invasions into the kitchen, bathroom, garage, living room with dictates as to the type of television you own, the wattage or type of lightbulbs you use, the temperature you set your thermostat at, the size of your toilet tank, the flow capacity of your showerhead, etc. BUT if they believe that SOMEONE may be compromising their bedroom activities as "bedroom police" SUDDENLY they become concerned over too much government in their lives.

Everything else they shrug off as "for our own good".

13 posted on 07/07/2012 1:37:47 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Fools.Damn fools.Welcome to the USSA. Socialism is slavery to the State and the Supreme Court did it)
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To: Paladin2

I know when someone isn’t saying squat to a serious question.


14 posted on 07/07/2012 1:39:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

>> I’ve been hearing local chatter suggesting that my electric company has switched from 60Hz to 40Hz... Hopefully some knowledgeable FReeper has some info.

ROFLMAO! Okay! I’ll see if I can help.

It’s horse-hockey. Pure, plain, and simple.

For only one, small (but obvious) engineering point: most electricity is generated one way or another by Big, Expensive. Rotating. Machinery of some sort.

To make this Big. Expensive. Machinery rotate 33% slower is, well, intractable.

But here’s an easy test for you to try. Can you lay hands on an old-fashioned electric clock? The kind that ran off an electric motor and made hands spin around? Those clocks depend on 60Hz power for their timekeeping. If your utility has slowed to 40Hz, the clock won’t keep time. IT’ll be slow. And by *how much* slow, you can calculate the line frequency of your ElecCo.

But you’re wasting your time if you try this, because they are NOT reducing the line frequency. I guarantee you.

Another point: what exactly would they be SAVING by reducing line frequency? ANSWER: nothing.


15 posted on 07/07/2012 1:40:23 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: cripplecreek
Buy a "Kill A Watt"

It measures voltage and frequency, among other things.

16 posted on 07/07/2012 1:40:23 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Windflier

Unfortunately here in Texas, with our bought-off governor, the concept of privacy DOES NOT EXIST.

No one in our 2/3rds REPUBLICAN legislature has lifted a finger with regard to “Smart Meters”. They are being shoved down our throats, thanks to RICK PERRY, and if we refuse, we get to see the business end of a Constable’s side arm.

I get jealous of California. They STILL don’t pay sales tax on Amazon (we just got signed up for it - thank you state government), and they don’t don’t even pay sales tax on Net10 Wireless cell phones (we do, of course).

So, while California forced an opt-out - our lackeys in state government, including David Dewhurst at the top of the list (a Perry bitch), made sure that we wouldn’t get that option.

...and there’s even a thread today about Texas succeeding from the US - LOL, with this bunch the only reason they could come up with for leaving the US would be to take the honor of being the 32nd Mexican state.


17 posted on 07/07/2012 1:42:58 PM PDT by BobL
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To: cripplecreek

If you’re not noticing transformers, electric motors and such burning up... they didn’t switch.

Going to 40Hz would *guarantee* transformers, motors, etc burn up - within a very short time (like minutes to an hour or two).


18 posted on 07/07/2012 1:43:23 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: Nervous Tick

Thank you. I was leaning toward disbelief based on the fact that my electric company doesn’t operate in a closed grid. Seems like any change would cause conflicts within the grid as a whole.


19 posted on 07/07/2012 1:45:03 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

60 ~ 40Hz? Nope. We’ve been using 60 cycles since the beginning. Europe uses 50Hz. My iPad charger is rated for 50 & 60 and their corresponding voltages. Nothing else. You appliances and everything else would have serious issues with another cycle rate unless specifically designed for it.


20 posted on 07/07/2012 1:46:45 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Windflier

Since our empty nest mrs p6 and I moved to a really nice apartment complex a couple of years ago. I assume we have no choice BUT is there a way to ...obfuscate the readings and confuse the meter?

For example when my company built it’s HQ they screwed up the HVAC. At least 4 units were required but the owner said do it with 3.

There were always problems.

At night, when I am usually the only one there the a/c ran continuously. It would get so cold I could see my breath. The a/c even ran in the coldest of winters.

Some of us complained and management put portable sensors in every room to prove we were wrong.

After a couple of days I gathered the sensors every night when I arrived and put them in the refrigerator or freezer.

Admittedly it didn’t really solve the problem. Management told us to deal with it.

BUT it had them so confused for over a year it was worth it!

Finally they realized undersizing the units was costing them money and things are much better now.


21 posted on 07/07/2012 1:47:35 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts bolt the Constitution together as the loose screws of the Left fall out!)
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To: cripplecreek
Too subtle, I suppose.

My voltage starts at around 118V in the morning and drops off to about 113V in the heat of the afternoon. It's a little bit of a brownout, but hasn't seemed to do any damage yet.

22 posted on 07/07/2012 1:47:35 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Nervous Tick
I think you’re freaking out over nothing.

I'm not 'freaking out'. I simply passed on something of interest to the community. Accept or reject at your leisure.

23 posted on 07/07/2012 1:48:26 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: beef
please explain to me how you discern sexual activity with the information gathered by a smart meter. I am sorry, but paraniod crap like this gives the tea party a bad name.

You got me. I just copied and pasted. Perhaps some editing is in order for anyone who chooses to use this letter.

24 posted on 07/07/2012 1:51:50 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: cripplecreek

>> Seems like any change would cause conflicts within the grid as a whole.

OH yeah. Big time!

To say nothing of Mom ‘n Pop refrigerators, vacuum cleaners, dishwashers, septic pumps, and other motor driven appliances that would underperform, or fail.

And that doesn’t include entire industries that would grind to a halt.

There’s nothing magical about 60Hz line frequency (witness other countries, who use 50Hz). But once you standardize on the frequency, all hell breaks loose if you change it, particularly for electric motor applications.

And — to reiterate an earlier point — changing the line frequency (alone, unilaterally) buys the electric company nothing. So why would they do it?


25 posted on 07/07/2012 1:55:04 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick

“All they could to is cut you off completely. And they aren’t gonna do that.”

I beg to differ. You mean that making sure ball fields are reconnected first—for baseball games—before reconnecting houses that have been disconnected from storms—has not occurred? Answer: it has, and people have died because of it, in this last week alone.

So, yes, ‘they’ would do that, to political enemies or anyone they care to selectively go after.


26 posted on 07/07/2012 1:55:22 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Paladin2

I know there’s a heavy load in the triple digit heat we’ve been having in southern Michigan. Everybody is using AC all at once. My electric company is also in the middle of hanging new lines on new poles in the area.

I haven’t noticed the dimming today.


27 posted on 07/07/2012 1:57:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: BobL
No one in our 2/3rds REPUBLICAN legislature has lifted a finger with regard to “Smart Meters”. They are being shoved down our throats, thanks to RICK PERRY, and if we refuse, we get to see the business end of a Constable’s side arm.

I find that statement incredible. No one can force you at gunpoint to accept the installation of a smart meter, or any other private company's device.

At best, all they can do is refuse to provide service to your property if you refuse. If I'm wrong on this, then we're in deeper trouble than I ever imagined.

28 posted on 07/07/2012 1:57:14 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: combat_boots

>> So, yes, ‘they’ would do that, to political enemies or anyone they care to selectively go after.

Better go solar, then. Not for economics or “aaving the planet”, but to ensure continuity of your own supply.

I think you’re being paranoid, but what do I know?


29 posted on 07/07/2012 1:59:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: AFreeBird
Back in the day around Niagara Falls they had 25 HZ. Some industrial installations in the area used 25 Hz for quite a while after.

"The Schoellkopf station complex eventually met with a very unusual fate. In 1956, it was almost completely destroyed by a massive rockslide from the towering cliff above. Following this catastrophe, 11 of the generators in Station No. 3A were rebuilt for 60-Hz operation, but Stations No. 3B and 3C were completely abandoned. "

30 posted on 07/07/2012 1:59:14 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2; cripplecreek
"...my electric company has switched from 60Hz to 40Hz"

You do have a battery powered BS meter don't you?


Yeah, they won't do that, although they did relax the line frequency standards a little bit in the last year or two. I think we will be at 60 cycles for the foreseeable future.

I know in the past, there were systems that used 40 cycles, such as around the dam in Mechanicsburg, NY that was built in 1895 or so and still in use today (with frequency convertors). Some place even had 25 cycle power too such as Buffalo NY and a huge part of Ontario, Canada until they went 60 cycles in the 1950's. My grandmother had a sweeper from the 1930's (my aunt sill has it I think) that she used up until her death in 1997 that was rated 25 to 60 cycles.
31 posted on 07/07/2012 2:00:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: cripplecreek
Lately I’ve been hearing local chatter suggesting that my electric company has switched from 60Hz to 40Hz and that its causing problems.

The same thing happened here. At 40Hz, all of my fonts are 1/3 their normal size.

32 posted on 07/07/2012 2:04:25 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (I made a prank call...pretended I was a mime.)
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To: Windflier

This letter is about 20% misinformation and 80% utter BS. Those who are concerned about this issue should A) educated themselves on the technical issues involved and B) re-read their agreement with their electrical utility provider as it should spell out the consequences of taking actions described in this letter, which will most likely result in termination of electrical service.

No one has an innate “right” to electrical service, it is provided under terms of an agreement between the utility and the consumer, and just like any other purchase, is subject to legal regulations. There are more productive avenues than tilting at windmills that will accomplish nothing.


33 posted on 07/07/2012 2:07:13 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: Nowhere Man

34 posted on 07/07/2012 2:12:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Windflier

Most smart meters do only one thing: send a meter reading to the utility every 15 minutes. The rest of what the letter claims is imaginary.


35 posted on 07/07/2012 2:12:55 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Google “General Patraeus appliances watching you” and/or youtube “CIA to spy on Americans using household items”.


36 posted on 07/07/2012 2:13:28 PM PDT by Hayride
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To: Paladin2

Okay, 60Hz wasn’t universally used like today. I stand corrected.


37 posted on 07/07/2012 2:14:41 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Half Vast Conspiracy
2/3rds ?
38 posted on 07/07/2012 2:15:00 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: NVDave; cripplecreek
If you’re not noticing transformers, electric motors and such burning up... they didn’t switch.

Going to 40Hz would *guarantee* transformers, motors, etc burn up - within a very short time (like minutes to an hour or two).


True. IIRC, when they made appliances for 25 cycles for the Ontario, Canada and Buffalo, NY areas, the transformers were huge in comparison to ones that can run on 50/60 cycles. 50 to 60 cycles isn't much of a difference but 25 to 60 or even 40 to 60 is and you need the larger transformers to dissipate the added heat you get at 25 or 40 cycles.

The rule of thumb is that you can go up in frequency, you can run 25 cycles appliances at 60 cycles as long as they don't have electric motors, unless it is a multi-frequency type like my grandmother's sweeper. If you had a 25 cycle Canadian TV/radio from the 1950's, it will work fine at 60 cycles but not vice versa.
39 posted on 07/07/2012 2:17:04 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (June 28th, 2012, the Day America Jumped The Shark.)
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To: Paladin2


40 posted on 07/07/2012 2:19:44 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Windflier

“I find that statement incredible. No one can force you at gunpoint to accept the installation of a smart meter, or any other private company’s device.”

It’s called an EASEMENT. You can try to fight it, and more power to you, but I have a good job and don’t have a few hundred K for legal bills - so I have to bend over and take it.

Believe me, I’m not too impressed by Perry and his ‘Republican’ bitches in our state government.


41 posted on 07/07/2012 2:23:01 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Windflier

“At best, all they can do is refuse to provide service to your property if you refuse. If I’m wrong on this, then we’re in deeper trouble than I ever imagined. “

I didn’t get to this part. Yep, we can disconnect from the grid. But, unfortunately, where I live, I don’t have a place for solar panels (and windmills are a joke). Believe me, I have tried to figure out something - but no hope. It’s either BIG POWER or no power, where I live.


42 posted on 07/07/2012 2:25:03 PM PDT by BobL
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To: combat_boots

Now they can tax you for not using utility sourced electricity.


43 posted on 07/07/2012 2:25:24 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: cripplecreek

“Lately I’ve been hearing local chatter suggesting that my electric company has switched from 60Hz to 40Hz and that its causing problems.”

No, that didn’t happen. Maybe they’re messing around a bit with frequency, or voltage, but nothing like dropping to 40 Hz.

But then again, I live in Texas, so I certainly wouldn’t rule out anything from this bunch in Austin.


44 posted on 07/07/2012 2:27:11 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Nervous Tick

There are plenty of bad things they can do without cutting off your service.

They are already comparing customer’s energy use with their neighbors to try and shame them into using less. There will soon be financial penalties for using too much power or just using it at the wrong time of day.

Smart meters are here to stay but the use and distribution of the information gathered must be strictly controlled.

People should be concerned about this.


45 posted on 07/07/2012 2:31:51 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Windflier

For the most part, there’s nothing wrong with smart meters as far as their function is concerned, but there were some that were manufactured with defects.

There are possible security concerns for this type of equipment that could be hacked, and also more concerns for government control. Right now, the power company charges you a flat rate, but in the future could charge you different rates at different times of the day.

My biggest objection is that billions of dollars in stimulus money were used to purchase and install these smart meters, and in addition to that, I believe the electric company is also allowed to charge the customer to install something they may not want or need.


46 posted on 07/07/2012 2:40:54 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Jack Black; Windflier

“Most smart meters do only one thing: send a meter reading to the utility every 15 minutes. The rest of what the letter claims is imaginary.”

There actually is a bit more to it. For example, the next generation of appliances will have the ability to be commanded off by your ‘Smart Meter’, for cases like when the wind stops blowing in West Texas - and there are now patents on lockable (by the utility) receptacles that do the same. So it’s best to be your own electrician (like some of us here) so that you can defeat these lifestyle-changing features that our brave new world is bringing us.

The 15 minute reporting is also nothing to play down, being that resolution before the ‘Smart Meters’ was 30 days, or roughly 3000 times as long. What 15 minutes means is that anyone that can access your meter’s data will likley know the following:
a) When people go to bed at night
b) When people wake up in the morning
c) When people go to work in the morning
d) When people come home from work in the evening
e) When people leave to go on vacation
f) When people return from vacation

In Texas, as far as I can tell, there is ZERO PROTECTION of that information (unless someone knows otherwise). This information can legally be taken by a person that works for a utility, or is contracted to a utility, or to a policeman, to a university doing a study, or to anyone else that is interested in your ‘habits’, as the left calls them.

And also don’t think that what you will pay for electrical power won’t be based on when you use that power - its GUARANTEED, for sure. And guess what: Those high-cost times will be when it’s 100F outside.


47 posted on 07/07/2012 2:42:47 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Nervous Tick
They can adjust your electric rate on a minute by minute basis if they chose to do so. They won't control your ability to use appliances, just make it too expensive to use them.

BTW, I did have an actively controllable device on my electric water heater in the San Diego area back in 1982. The utility could cut power to my water heater to shed load at will.

48 posted on 07/07/2012 2:47:54 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: BobL

“I get jealous of California.”

The grass is always greener. California has the highest taxes and most business unfriendly regulatory environment in the United States. It is run by the leftiest of the left, starring Governor Moonbeam 2.0.

We CA FReepers are jealous of Texas.

So there!


49 posted on 07/07/2012 2:53:04 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Nervous Tick

Ok, here’s the deal.

Some years back, a relative of mine got an electric bill with a surcharge of 300% for one month...owing to having been charged for electricity generated for his house by a generator after a storm. HIS house. In particular. That’s granularity.

Now, in that general area, people have died from a lack of electricity, because of this past set of storms. Ball park: restored. People: dead. How easy is that? After all, it takes either physically restoring lines and poles or resetting motherboards, right? Oh. Did I mention the people were older? Tsk. What a shame, right?


50 posted on 07/07/2012 2:55:59 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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