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Pet Owners Balk At Mandatory Spay & Neuter, Microchipping Plan
CBS) ^ | July 9, 2012 11:00 PM | Jeff Nguyen

Posted on 07/10/2012 11:19:35 AM PDT by BenLurkin

CANYON LAKE [CALIFORNIA} (CBS) — A city in Riverside County will consider a plan to force all pet owners to spay and neuter their pets.

KCAL9′s Jeff Nguyen reports not everyone in the guarded and gated city of Canyon Lake located just east of Lake Elsinore likes the proposal.

Marlene Marich’s dog Skylar is fixed and has a microchip, but she doesn’t like the idea that the Canyon Lake city council is considering a plan to make the spaying, neutering and microchipping of cats and dogs mandatory.

“That’s going too far, asking them to do that,” said dog owner Marlene Marich. “It should be up to the owners what they want to do with their dogs.”

The proposed ordinance would make exceptions for commercial breeders, show dogs and cats, working dogs and animals that aren’t healthy enough for surgery.

Monica Mestas is an animal advocate who supports microchipping, spaying and neutering, but she says a mandate may cause more animals to be put to death at shelters.

It can happen when a pet runs away from home and it isn’t fixed — and the owner can’t afford the fees to get it done.

“The way people are strapped for money, and meantime impound fees are accruing, a lot of times people will just relinquish the animal,” said animal advocate Monica Mestas.

Interim city manager Deborah Harrington told Nguyen over the phone the city has seen a rise in unwanted animals in the last year and the plan is a way to avoid euthanizing more animals.

But pet owners like Marlene Marich say the proposal would be impossible to enforce.

“Basically, you’d have to actually shave the dog to find out if there’s a scar there,” said Marich.

The City Council is expected to take up the matter on Wednesday evening during a public meeting. If the plan fail to garner approval, the council may break it into two separate proposals: one on spaying and neutering and a second on micro-chipping.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: arwhackjobs; bloodoftyrants; donttreadonme; govtabuse; pets; propertyrights; tyranny

1 posted on 07/10/2012 11:19:44 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

NO ONE is micro chipping my kitties!


2 posted on 07/10/2012 11:22:42 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: BenLurkin

Coming eventually to humans near your home town.


3 posted on 07/10/2012 11:27:06 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: NoGrayZone

Guess the price of dogs and cats will keep going up.


4 posted on 07/10/2012 11:29:46 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf

Spaying and neutering also can lead to a plethora of health problems as well. I recently lost my german shepherd female who was spayed due to Addison’s disease. My vet basically says that they aren’t really sure why, but that the vast majority of the dogs with this disease are spayed females. I just replaced her with a Mal, and the people I got her from raise and train lots of police, SAR, protection dogs, and she almost had a fit when I asked about spaying my female, her reason was health and behavioral problems.


5 posted on 07/10/2012 11:39:00 AM PDT by nobamanomore
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6 posted on 07/10/2012 11:42:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: BenLurkin
Pet Owners Balk At Mandatory Spay & Neuter, Microchipping Plan

Don't make Bob Barker come over there.


7 posted on 07/10/2012 11:47:29 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: NoGrayZone

Then never let them outside. Protect them any way you can.


8 posted on 07/10/2012 11:53:03 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Let the wind blow through you.~~ Lakota Sioux proverb)
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To: Monkey Face

My cats are strictly indoor, always have been. That front door opens, they run straight to the bat cave!


9 posted on 07/10/2012 12:10:28 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Wonderful! I lost count of dead pets by the roadside a long time ago. I put a bell on my cats on the off chance that they were able to check out the outdoors. It paid off, twice. The silly thing was, if they heard a bell, they ran to see who the new cat was! :o])


10 posted on 07/10/2012 12:25:03 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Let the wind blow through you.~~ Lakota Sioux proverb)
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To: BenLurkin

Hmm, I’m having a hard time understanding this so perhaps the city council members could spay, neuter, and chip themselves first to show how it’s helpful.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 1:16:52 PM PDT by bgill
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To: nobamanomore

http://www.naiaonline.org/pdfs/LongTermHealthEffectsOfSpayNeuterInDogs.pdf

The endocrine -system- works in finely tuned concert; remove one ‘instrument’ and the whole orchestra goes wonky.

I will never spay/neuter another animal.

[two bitches developed hypothyroidism within a month, one developed thyroid-related eye problems and another’s immune system crashed and she eventually died]

We *know* how babies are made.
It’s very easy to -not- let them be made.


12 posted on 07/10/2012 2:25:33 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: wardaddy
And The Boy says

:)

13 posted on 07/10/2012 2:27:26 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: BenLurkin
My wife had a couple of our cats chipped a few years ago. We ended up losing one to cancer directly attributed to the chip. It is sad, having to bury your companion animal because someone had a "good" idea.
14 posted on 07/10/2012 3:39:42 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: nobamanomore

You know, we used to say it was healthier to spay/neuter. But I started wondering about that. We don’t think it’s healthier to do a hysterectomy on a woman, in fact, they like to leave at least one ovary, I think, if possible, on humans. That got me wondering and I started researching and apparently it is NOT cut and dried that it is healthier. It does obviously do away with the risk of pyometria (a uterine infection) and decrease breast cancer. But it increases the risk of other things, as you stated.
I have never neutered a male dog I’ve had and have never spayed a female before about age 8.
My point is really that it should be the choice of the owner, not the government. I wish people would stand up against these extremely intrusive laws. We have a mandatory spay/neuter law here in Palm Beach County. Actually I have a choice not to, but I pay $75 a year for the privilege of keeping my Ch show bitch intact. Imagine if I had more than one living with me. And I shouldn’t have to justify my choice. As long as my dog does not run at large or constitute a nuisance, why should the govt or other busy bodies involve themselves in her and my business?


15 posted on 07/10/2012 4:45:28 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: Salamander

You know I have had intact dogs in my home since 1986, and much of that time have had both males and females around. NOT ONCE have I had an accidental litter. It’s really not rocket science.


16 posted on 07/10/2012 4:50:56 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: BenLurkin

They will be trying to chip people, next.


17 posted on 07/10/2012 6:09:24 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: brytlea

Same here.

Never had a litter “happen”.

[*huge* mystery that it is]

;D


18 posted on 07/10/2012 6:28:02 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: brytlea

“It does obviously do away with the risk of pyometria (a uterine infection)”

Google “stump pyometria”.

It doesn’t entirely eliminate risks and even worse, stump pyometria is even more subtle and difficult to detect *unless* you’re actually looking for it..which a lot of vets won’t bother to do if they know a bitch is spayed.

Scary.

I had no choice is spaying my PPM and now, my formerly *immaculate and fastidious* little baby has to endure the shame of spay incontinence.

And it *does* humiliate her greatly, even though we never fuss or even say anything about her sleep-puddles.

If I’d known the breed rescue was going to be so lax in checking up on her [I had to sign a 2 page legal form basically threatening my life to get her] I *never* would’ve spayed her.

She’s on Estriol now and even though it doesn’t totally eliminate the drips, both her health and attitude are -much- better.

Djinni is fighting chronic corneal dystrophy because spaying her threw her cholesterol system out of whack.

Her intact siblings have no eye problems.

[but her great aunt and 2 aunts *did* after they were spayed]


19 posted on 07/10/2012 6:45:05 PM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: Salamander

You are right about stump pyo (saw it once when I worked for a vet) but I’m pretty sure that’s because of a poorly done spay (I will stand to be corrected if I’m wrong on that). The vet I worked for caught it right away if my memory serves. At the time I had never heard of it.
I’ve been fortunate not to have any problems with the ones I’ve spayed but they’ve been done later in life. I simply think people need to go into it with all of the info and with TRUTHFUL info not info given that is tainted by bias and then be allowed to make their own decisions.
At this point, I’m not sure I will ever spay Pauli, unless she has a health problem that requires it (pyometria for instance, which I’ve had in 2 intact bitches in my life and is a serious issue). But, as I said, it should be up to me, and I really resent paying $75 per year, when she lives in the house, only goes outside with me and doesn’t cost the county or taxpayers one cent or one moment of inconvenience. In addition, I help with and support our local golden rescue. Oh, and she has never had and probably never will have, a litter.


20 posted on 07/11/2012 9:00:10 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: brytlea

I’ve had two vets just blink stupidly when I mentioned it...:-\

pETA’s gotten its tentacles into everything.

Odin’s vet is obsessing over his yarbles now.

Gave him a ‘prostate exam’ and said it was ‘slightly enlarged but not too much to worry about’, *knowing* I’d worry, anyway.

I told that to my breeder friend and she said “OFGS! He’s *3* and she’s probably never felt an intact male’s prostate before!”.

She knows about my anxiety issues and the usual “all animals should be neutered” rant didn’t work so I guess this is our new approach to get his junk cut off.

:-\


21 posted on 07/11/2012 9:56:45 AM PDT by Salamander (I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name.)
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To: BenLurkin

Neuter Liberals, not dogs!


22 posted on 07/11/2012 10:51:51 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Salamander

I think I would change to a breeder vet. But that’s just me. It’s like pediatricians possibly being in the pockets of baby formula manufacturers. I swear, everyone has an agenda these days, I don’t know how anyone gets good info if they don’t search it out carefully themselves (and then they have to have some idea that the info they are getting from people they are supposed to trust might be suspect).


23 posted on 07/11/2012 11:02:55 AM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: BenLurkin
The proposed ordinance would make exceptions for commercial breeders, show dogs and cats, working dogs and animals that aren’t healthy enough for surgery.

If it's proper to require vaccinations to prevent the spread of unwanted germs and viruses, why wouldn't it be proper to require spaying/neutering to prevent the spread of unwanted puppies and kittens (with the mentioned exceptions)?

24 posted on 07/11/2012 11:27:18 AM PDT by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: BenLurkin; All

There’s a big push (& has been, for several years, now) by Wayne Pacelle & the Humane Society of the US re mandatory S&N, microchipping, & putting a limit on the number of pets a person can own. Some of it is through state legislatures, but there’s a lot going on at the local level. Most people don’t even know about it until it’s too late.
Most recently, they’re going after ethical breeders under the guise of “targeting puppy mills” & pet stores. (Puppy mills will get off scot-free, I guarantee it)

The agenda is to eliminate companion animals, entirely.

humanewatch.org
naiaonline. org (National Animal Interest Alliance)

& there are some groups for owners of Sporting breeds who are actively pushing back against this as well.


25 posted on 07/12/2012 8:40:22 PM PDT by KGeorge
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To: BenLurkin
The day The Big One (TM) hits that God-forsaken insane asylum masquerading as a state and causes it to slide into the Pacific the better America will be. So invest in some future ocean-front property in Nevada......
26 posted on 07/20/2012 1:25:39 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: BenLurkin
The day The Big One (TM) hits that God-forsaken insane asylum masquerading as a state and causes it to slide into the Pacific the better America will be. So invest in some future ocean-front property in Nevada......
27 posted on 07/20/2012 1:26:00 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

“Learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim”

Aenima...TOOL


28 posted on 07/20/2012 1:31:44 PM PDT by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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