Skip to comments.Chinese manufacturing output surpassed US manufacturing output in 2010
Posted on 07/13/2012 1:58:32 PM PDT by moonshot925
I made this graph based on data from the United Nations.
2010 was the first year that Chinese manufacturing output surpassed US manufacturing output.
There is no data available for 2011 or 2012 yet.
We’d better hope that the Japanese and Germans stay on our side.
Macau and Hong Kong are not included in the figure for China.
I was in Walmart today and noticed that all of the Chanellock brand pliers (with blue grips) are marked “Fiercely made in Meadville, PA” on the packaging. I bought a pair of diagonal cable cutters; they’re etched “Made in U.S.A.”
I think a better packaging idea would be "No Communist slave labor was used in the manufacturing of this product, Made in the Good old USA".
Notice the skyrocketing China manufacturing output. China needs to be stopped.
It’s doubling every 5 years. I don’t see how they can maintain that pace.
Thank you for posting the Output per U.S. Worker chart.
It is much more important than the total manufacturing output. After all, the population of China greatly exceeds that of the U.S. and the number of people they employ to match our manufacturing output is huge because their productivity per worker is a fraction of that shown in your chart for the U.S. worker.
The problem is WHAT we manufacture. We no longer manufacture the things needed to support the military in a war of attrition. Steel being the main thing. China produces more steel than the rest of the world combined. THe US can recruit and train troops and sailors in a very short time. You just can’t build a steel mill overnight...
We are SLEEPING.
This does not seem very good at all.
It can’t, because the slave wages being paid in China is no longer sustaining the populace. There are a lot of protests these days over wages.
China’s population is more than 4 times that of the United States (1.3 billion.) So, Chinese production is about 1/4 that of the U.S. per capita. Not much to brag about — still a developing country.
A war with who?
We have 14 ballistic missile submarines.
Each one carries 24 SLBMs with 96 thermonuclear warheads.
Just one of these submarines could completely devastate China.
A war with China would be thermonuclear, not conventional.
The fact that Chinese production is now tops in the world only goes one way.
We need to stop arming China. This is bad.
Oh, it’s really nothing...just a bunch of tin foil hat types being paranoid again.
We know China is still a backwater country, with it’s people barely able to find enough shovels to dig trenches.
Yep, we know that. Yes we do. We’re not fooled - we know that they’re just cooking their books to look like an industrial power - they’re not really anything to worry about. Naa.
(typical FReeper attitude as little as two years ago)
Record profits and more productivity per worker. Yet, income per worker is barely keeping up with inflation thanks to global wage arbitrage.
China may well be the largest producer, but the U.S. does still produce steel. The plants are there, they're running, and production could be increased if needed.
Disagree. Hitler had massive amounts of gas and v-2 rockets to deliver it. Up until the end he never gave the order. When both sides have nukes it will be conventional. Ever been in a fist fight? Ever thought about punching your opponent in the nads? No, You know why that thought never crosses your mind even though it is a sure winning move? Because as he is losing his fight due to your below the belt punch he might have enough energy to punch you there too. That is why that NEVER seems to happen.
We can't stop it -- short of going to war and if you suggest that, then I accuse you of blowing smoke.
We need to stop arming China.
I repeat. Lots and lots of our production in China, is building China’s defense base.
Building it big and strong. We need to stop that.
We need to recognize there are bigger things than elections. Bigger things indeed.
If the world goes Chicom, we all lose.
It’s that simple.
I think it actually makes some Free Traitors mad that there is any manufacturing done in the USA. I mean it all should be offshored in their little myopic world. I mean China opened up the world to slave lobar, why make anything here? That’s how they think.
Yeah I know.
It’s a big thing to turn around such a juggernaut.
With no funding either... Our side is currently and sadly, quite asleep as to what is happening.
Why aren't you complaining about the inflation -- it's not a natural phenomenon, you know. Global wage "arbitrage" wouldn't be a factor without our government's policy of cheapening the value of the dollar.
You're chasing the wrong problem.
“We have 14 ballistic missile submarines. Each one carries 24 SLBMs with 96 thermonuclear warheads.”
It seems those days are about to end.
...next excuse please.
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The V-2 was incredibly unreliable before January 1944.
80% of the rockets blew up on the launch pad.
It would have been an ineffective weapon if Hitler had used it before 1944.
When both sides have nukes it will be conventional
From 1949 to 1991 the Soviet Union and United States both had nuclear weapons.
Why didn't we have a conventional war with the Soviets?
It's funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom "traitors." I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good.
Just like the socialists do!
Businesses are cutting costs and increasing competition, not because of inflation but of the global competition of reduced prices. Instead of raising the salary of a productive worker, ya can always go overseas. That, and companies can easily offset inflationary increases with hedging.
I agree inflation is a concern, but the greater threat will be deflationary outcomes. High unemployment, high debts, etc. Deflation looms large.
“It’s funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom “traitors.” I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good. “
Yes, that is exactly what he is saying.
And I for one, agree strongly with him on this.
I guess North American Aviation should have out sourced production of the P-51 to the Japanese during WWII.
We could collapse China's economy by destroying Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou and Shenzhen.
We have the capability to destroy these 5 cities and will maintain that capability for many years to come.
Ok do you have the guts to answer these questions: If all manufacturing was offshored to China would that concern you at all? If slaves can make things cheaper in China, there is no logic in manufacturing anything in the USA right?
A tariff is a TAX and all taxes slow economic growth.
The last thing we need is a slower growing economy.
Why would conservatives supporting new taxes?
Tell me, if the USA refused to drop a bomb on North Vietnam, which would have saved 50,000 US lives, do you really think there is a scenario in which a US President pushes the button? I don’t think so.
Just saying, an American tariff made sense for this person for several years now.
Recently I’m going critical.
I think we should be discouraging Chinese exports.
We either pay our uninitiated and lower IQ citizens to make things or pay them to do nothing and vote democratic. I say a tariff is a great bargain in the long run.
EXACTLY the thing which turned me around.
We’re going to pay for our poor anyway.
Either we PAY them to work and become Republicans, or we pay them to do nothing and become Democrats.
Democrats, continue to grow. They’re now almost completely unbeatable.
Next time they’ll likely become unbeatable.
We must stop that now.
Yes, it would. It won't be. Manufacturing output in the U.S. is double what it was in 1970. In other words, manufacturing has increased here -- what manufacturing was lost, has been replaced by other manufacturing. Consumer goods manufacturing is going abroad. The profits are less than capital goods manufacturing which has flourished here.
If slaves can make things cheaper in China, there is no logic in manufacturing anything in the USA right?
You talk as if wages were the only manufacturing input and that slave labor is as efficient and knowledgable as a free work-force. Both are nonsensical. The U.S. has advantages in technology, educated workforce, and infrastructure. Those advantages, it's true, are somewhat squandered with our regulatory, tax, and monetary policies, but they still exist.
And China, despite it's communist government, is still not a slave-labor country. You guys worrying about our trade deficit with China are not completely wrong about the problems, but you don't correctly identify the causes.
Washington's debt, inflation, and taxes have given the advantage to China. Why don't you worry about those?
Why? What good would that have done? I certainly can't understand how outsourcing to a declared enemy would help, but I'm sure you'll explain.
“Manufacturing output in the U.S. is double what it was in 1970. In other words, manufacturing has increased here — what manufacturing was lost, has been replaced by other manufacturing.”
Sorry I call foul on the increased manufacturing claim.
We import almost everything now.
I do worry about those things. But I am not so myopic to think it is good idea to ruin our heavy industries, which I view as national treasures, while we fight those other issues. You free traitors are playing into the Green leftist hands when you champion offshoring. You are being played for a fool.
Yes, that is exactly what he is saying.
And I for one, agree strongly with him on this.
You are willing to give up a measure of your liberty for the common good. The communists would call you a "useful idiot." I won't, of course. But they would.
All communist countries are my sworn enemy. Even if the country makes good food and the people seem so nice. Stalin was a congenial host at parties from what I understand.
Fixed it. Now it makes sense.
Look, our opponents are not competing fairly.
Their markets are not fair, yet we send our companies there. Why? Over, and over, and over. Losing and sending ever more of our critical industries.
I say NO. Stop the unbalanced theft of our companies.
Let the Chinese make their stuff, and let our people make our stuff.
Enough with the double-standard.
In 1970, if you had walked into any VFW post had a beer and started spouting off that it would be a good idea to offshore our manufacturing base to China you’d probably not made it out of there in one piece.
No. You are flat-out wrong. And why did you put inflation in quotes? It is what it is.
Monetary inflation is the greatest secret evil governments can inflict on their citizens. If the government did not continually add to the money supply, American wages would increase as technology improved workers' productivity.
But the portion of manufacturing expenses devoted to labor would remain the same. When the government debases the currency, our wages increase faster than those of other countries making us uncompetitive.
It is not "globalism" that causes the problem, it is our very own government's policy of cheapening our currency.
Heck I was even in support of Chinese manufacturing originally.
However it has turned to a bad thing IMO. Everything was thrown into the deals which continued.
No equality. No ownership. Chinese bottom line at every turn.
It’s a one-way deal to the brokerage.
Repeating that: A one-way deal to the brokerage.
All our factories, eventually gone.
Houses gone. Everything gone.
Even our giveaways gone, because there was no longer any money left.
We NEED TO MAKE THINGS HERE.