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Chinese manufacturing output surpassed US manufacturing output in 2010
United Nations ^ | 13 July 2012

Posted on 07/13/2012 1:58:32 PM PDT by moonshot925

I made this graph based on data from the United Nations.

2010 was the first year that Chinese manufacturing output surpassed US manufacturing output.

There is no data available for 2011 or 2012 yet.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: china; economy; globalism; manufacturing; redchina
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1 posted on 07/13/2012 1:58:44 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

We’d better hope that the Japanese and Germans stay on our side.


2 posted on 07/13/2012 2:00:54 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: moonshot925

Macau and Hong Kong are not included in the figure for China.


3 posted on 07/13/2012 2:05:11 PM PDT by moonshot925
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I was in Walmart today and noticed that all of the Chanellock brand pliers (with blue grips) are marked “Fiercely made in Meadville, PA” on the packaging. I bought a pair of diagonal cable cutters; they’re etched “Made in U.S.A.”


4 posted on 07/13/2012 2:07:18 PM PDT by Spirochete (Sic transit gloria mundi)
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To: Spirochete
I was in Walmart today and noticed that all of the Chanellock brand pliers (with blue grips) are marked “Fiercely made in Meadville, PA” on the packaging. I bought a pair of diagonal cable cutters; they’re etched “Made in U.S.A.”

I think a better packaging idea would be "No Communist slave labor was used in the manufacturing of this product, Made in the Good old USA".

5 posted on 07/13/2012 2:13:48 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925

6 posted on 07/13/2012 2:14:14 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Individual Liberty, R.I.P, 6/28/2012)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Great graph.

Notice the skyrocketing China manufacturing output. China needs to be stopped.


7 posted on 07/13/2012 2:17:50 PM PDT by rurgan (Sunset all laws at 4 years.China is destroying U.S. ability to manufacture,makes everything)
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To: rurgan

It’s doubling every 5 years. I don’t see how they can maintain that pace.


8 posted on 07/13/2012 2:26:49 PM PDT by Tai_Chung
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To: Uncle Miltie; rurgan; Tai_Chung
China is going to have a hard time competing with the productivity gains the US manufacturing sector has seen over the past 50 years.


9 posted on 07/13/2012 2:39:48 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925
China is going to have a hard time competing with the productivity gains the US manufacturing sector has seen over the past 50 years.

Thank you for posting the Output per U.S. Worker chart.

It is much more important than the total manufacturing output. After all, the population of China greatly exceeds that of the U.S. and the number of people they employ to match our manufacturing output is huge because their productivity per worker is a fraction of that shown in your chart for the U.S. worker.

10 posted on 07/13/2012 2:51:48 PM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: InterceptPoint

The problem is WHAT we manufacture. We no longer manufacture the things needed to support the military in a war of attrition. Steel being the main thing. China produces more steel than the rest of the world combined. THe US can recruit and train troops and sailors in a very short time. You just can’t build a steel mill overnight...


11 posted on 07/13/2012 2:55:55 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

We are SLEEPING.

This does not seem very good at all.


12 posted on 07/13/2012 3:00:00 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Tai_Chung

It can’t, because the slave wages being paid in China is no longer sustaining the populace. There are a lot of protests these days over wages.


13 posted on 07/13/2012 3:20:10 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: moonshot925

China’s population is more than 4 times that of the United States (1.3 billion.) So, Chinese production is about 1/4 that of the U.S. per capita. Not much to brag about — still a developing country.


14 posted on 07/13/2012 3:22:55 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: InterceptPoint; central_va; Cringing Negativism Network
We no longer manufacture the things needed to support the military in a war of attrition.

A war with who?

We have 14 ballistic missile submarines.

Each one carries 24 SLBMs with 96 thermonuclear warheads.

Just one of these submarines could completely devastate China.

A war with China would be thermonuclear, not conventional.

15 posted on 07/13/2012 3:23:19 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: BfloGuy

Doesn’t matter.

The fact that Chinese production is now tops in the world only goes one way.

We need to stop arming China. This is bad.


16 posted on 07/13/2012 3:24:32 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: moonshot925

Oh, it’s really nothing...just a bunch of tin foil hat types being paranoid again.

We know China is still a backwater country, with it’s people barely able to find enough shovels to dig trenches.

Yep, we know that. Yes we do. We’re not fooled - we know that they’re just cooking their books to look like an industrial power - they’re not really anything to worry about. Naa.

(typical FReeper attitude as little as two years ago)


17 posted on 07/13/2012 3:27:51 PM PDT by BobL
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To: moonshot925

Record profits and more productivity per worker. Yet, income per worker is barely keeping up with inflation thanks to global wage arbitrage.


18 posted on 07/13/2012 3:28:31 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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To: central_va
The problem is WHAT we manufacture. We no longer manufacture the things needed to support the military in a war of attrition. Steel being the main thing. China produces more steel than the rest of the world combined.

China may well be the largest producer, but the U.S. does still produce steel. The plants are there, they're running, and production could be increased if needed.

19 posted on 07/13/2012 3:33:33 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: moonshot925
A war with China would be thermonuclear, not conventional.

Disagree. Hitler had massive amounts of gas and v-2 rockets to deliver it. Up until the end he never gave the order. When both sides have nukes it will be conventional. Ever been in a fist fight? Ever thought about punching your opponent in the nads? No, You know why that thought never crosses your mind even though it is a sure winning move? Because as he is losing his fight due to your below the belt punch he might have enough energy to punch you there too. That is why that NEVER seems to happen.

20 posted on 07/13/2012 3:35:00 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We need to stop arming China. This is bad.

We can't stop it -- short of going to war and if you suggest that, then I accuse you of blowing smoke.

21 posted on 07/13/2012 3:39:16 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy

We need to stop arming China.

I repeat. Lots and lots of our production in China, is building China’s defense base.

Building it big and strong. We need to stop that.

Now.

We need to recognize there are bigger things than elections. Bigger things indeed.

If the world goes Chicom, we all lose.

It’s that simple.


22 posted on 07/13/2012 3:42:05 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I think it actually makes some Free Traitors mad that there is any manufacturing done in the USA. I mean it all should be offshored in their little myopic world. I mean China opened up the world to slave lobar, why make anything here? That’s how they think.


23 posted on 07/13/2012 3:45:07 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Yeah I know.

It’s a big thing to turn around such a juggernaut.

With no funding either... Our side is currently and sadly, quite asleep as to what is happening.


24 posted on 07/13/2012 3:47:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Theoria
Yet, income per worker is barely keeping up with inflation thanks to global wage arbitrage.

Why aren't you complaining about the inflation -- it's not a natural phenomenon, you know. Global wage "arbitrage" wouldn't be a factor without our government's policy of cheapening the value of the dollar.

You're chasing the wrong problem.

25 posted on 07/13/2012 3:47:58 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: moonshot925

“We have 14 ballistic missile submarines. Each one carries 24 SLBMs with 96 thermonuclear warheads.”

It seems those days are about to end.

...next excuse please.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/02/us-edging-toward-decision-on-new-nuclear-arms-cuts/


26 posted on 07/13/2012 3:49:48 PM PDT by BobL
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To: BfloGuy
We can't stop it -- short of going to war and if you suggest that, then I accuse you of blowing smoke.

tar·iff noun \ˈter-əf, ˈta-rəf\

Definition of TARIFF

  1. a : a schedule of duties imposed by a government on imported or in some countries exported goods

    b : a duty or rate of duty imposed in such a schedule

  2. : a schedule of rates or charges of a business or a public utility
  3. : price, charge See tariff defined for English-language learners »

    See tariff defined for kids »


27 posted on 07/13/2012 3:56:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
Hitler had massive amounts of gas and v-2 rockets to deliver it

The V-2 was incredibly unreliable before January 1944.

80% of the rockets blew up on the launch pad.

It would have been an ineffective weapon if Hitler had used it before 1944.

When both sides have nukes it will be conventional

From 1949 to 1991 the Soviet Union and United States both had nuclear weapons.

Why didn't we have a conventional war with the Soviets?

28 posted on 07/13/2012 4:01:01 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: central_va
I think it actually makes some Free Traitors mad that there is any manufacturing done in the USA. I mean it all should be offshored in their little myopic world. I mean China opened up the world to slave lobar, why make anything here? That’s how they think.

It's funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom "traitors." I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good.

Just like the socialists do!

29 posted on 07/13/2012 4:03:59 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy
Because globalism is greater influence on wages than 'inflation'. The end point would be our wages dropping, while other countries increasing to meet ours.

Businesses are cutting costs and increasing competition, not because of inflation but of the global competition of reduced prices. Instead of raising the salary of a productive worker, ya can always go overseas. That, and companies can easily offset inflationary increases with hedging.

I agree inflation is a concern, but the greater threat will be deflationary outcomes. High unemployment, high debts, etc. Deflation looms large.

30 posted on 07/13/2012 4:05:30 PM PDT by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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“It’s funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom “traitors.” I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good. “

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Yes, that is exactly what he is saying.

And I for one, agree strongly with him on this.


31 posted on 07/13/2012 4:10:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: BfloGuy

I guess North American Aviation should have out sourced production of the P-51 to the Japanese during WWII.


32 posted on 07/13/2012 4:13:00 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BobL
next excuse please

We could collapse China's economy by destroying Beijing, Shanghai, Tianjin, Guangzhou and Shenzhen.

We have the capability to destroy these 5 cities and will maintain that capability for many years to come.

33 posted on 07/13/2012 4:15:55 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: BfloGuy
t's funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom "traitors." I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good. Just like the socialists do!

Ok do you have the guts to answer these questions: If all manufacturing was offshored to China would that concern you at all? If slaves can make things cheaper in China, there is no logic in manufacturing anything in the USA right?

34 posted on 07/13/2012 4:24:30 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

A tariff is a TAX and all taxes slow economic growth.

The last thing we need is a slower growing economy.

Why would conservatives supporting new taxes?


35 posted on 07/13/2012 4:24:38 PM PDT by moonshot925
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To: moonshot925

Tell me, if the USA refused to drop a bomb on North Vietnam, which would have saved 50,000 US lives, do you really think there is a scenario in which a US President pushes the button? I don’t think so.


36 posted on 07/13/2012 4:26:47 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: moonshot925

Just saying, an American tariff made sense for this person for several years now.

Recently I’m going critical.

I think we should be discouraging Chinese exports.


37 posted on 07/13/2012 4:29:01 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: moonshot925
A tariff is a TAX and all taxes slow economic growth.

We either pay our uninitiated and lower IQ citizens to make things or pay them to do nothing and vote democratic. I say a tariff is a great bargain in the long run.

38 posted on 07/13/2012 4:33:14 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

EXACTLY the thing which turned me around.

We’re going to pay for our poor anyway.

Either we PAY them to work and become Republicans, or we pay them to do nothing and become Democrats.

Democrats, continue to grow. They’re now almost completely unbeatable.

Next time they’ll likely become unbeatable.

We must stop that now.


39 posted on 07/13/2012 4:37:40 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: central_va
If all manufacturing was offshored to China would that concern you at all?

Yes, it would. It won't be. Manufacturing output in the U.S. is double what it was in 1970. In other words, manufacturing has increased here -- what manufacturing was lost, has been replaced by other manufacturing. Consumer goods manufacturing is going abroad. The profits are less than capital goods manufacturing which has flourished here.

If slaves can make things cheaper in China, there is no logic in manufacturing anything in the USA right?

You talk as if wages were the only manufacturing input and that slave labor is as efficient and knowledgable as a free work-force. Both are nonsensical. The U.S. has advantages in technology, educated workforce, and infrastructure. Those advantages, it's true, are somewhat squandered with our regulatory, tax, and monetary policies, but they still exist.

And China, despite it's communist government, is still not a slave-labor country. You guys worrying about our trade deficit with China are not completely wrong about the problems, but you don't correctly identify the causes.

Washington's debt, inflation, and taxes have given the advantage to China. Why don't you worry about those?

40 posted on 07/13/2012 4:38:01 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: central_va
I guess North American Aviation should have out sourced production of the P-51 to the Japanese during WWII.

Why? What good would that have done? I certainly can't understand how outsourcing to a declared enemy would help, but I'm sure you'll explain.

41 posted on 07/13/2012 4:39:57 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: BfloGuy

“Manufacturing output in the U.S. is double what it was in 1970. In other words, manufacturing has increased here — what manufacturing was lost, has been replaced by other manufacturing.”

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Sorry I call foul on the increased manufacturing claim.

We import almost everything now.


42 posted on 07/13/2012 4:40:56 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: BfloGuy
Washington's debt, inflation, and taxes have given the advantage to China. Why don't you worry about those?

I do worry about those things. But I am not so myopic to think it is good idea to ruin our heavy industries, which I view as national treasures, while we fight those other issues. You free traitors are playing into the Green leftist hands when you champion offshoring. You are being played for a fool.

43 posted on 07/13/2012 4:42:48 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
“It’s funny [and sad at the same time,] when a conservative calls people in favor of individual freedom “traitors.” I suppose you believe we should give up a measure of our freedom to preserve the common good. “

Yes, that is exactly what he is saying.

And I for one, agree strongly with him on this.

You are willing to give up a measure of your liberty for the common good. The communists would call you a "useful idiot." I won't, of course. But they would.

44 posted on 07/13/2012 4:43:54 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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Why? What good would that have done? I certainly can't understand how outsourcing to a declared enemy would help, but I'm sure you'll explain.

All communist countries are my sworn enemy. Even if the country makes good food and the people seem so nice. Stalin was a congenial host at parties from what I understand.

45 posted on 07/13/2012 4:44:45 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BfloGuy
You are willing to give up a measure of your liberty for the common good

of the United States of America

. The communists would call you a "useful idiot." I won't, of course. But they would.

Fixed it. Now it makes sense.

46 posted on 07/13/2012 4:47:09 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: BfloGuy

Look, our opponents are not competing fairly.

Their markets are not fair, yet we send our companies there. Why? Over, and over, and over. Losing and sending ever more of our critical industries.

I say NO. Stop the unbalanced theft of our companies.

Let the Chinese make their stuff, and let our people make our stuff.

Enough with the double-standard.


47 posted on 07/13/2012 4:47:59 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

In 1970, if you had walked into any VFW post had a beer and started spouting off that it would be a good idea to offshore our manufacturing base to China you’d probably not made it out of there in one piece.


48 posted on 07/13/2012 4:50:56 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Theoria
Because globalism is greater influence on wages than 'inflation'.

No. You are flat-out wrong. And why did you put inflation in quotes? It is what it is.

Monetary inflation is the greatest secret evil governments can inflict on their citizens. If the government did not continually add to the money supply, American wages would increase as technology improved workers' productivity.

But the portion of manufacturing expenses devoted to labor would remain the same. When the government debases the currency, our wages increase faster than those of other countries making us uncompetitive.

It is not "globalism" that causes the problem, it is our very own government's policy of cheapening our currency.

49 posted on 07/13/2012 4:53:16 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: central_va

Heck I was even in support of Chinese manufacturing originally.

However it has turned to a bad thing IMO. Everything was thrown into the deals which continued.

No equality. No ownership. Chinese bottom line at every turn.

It’s a one-way deal to the brokerage.

Repeating that: A one-way deal to the brokerage.

All our factories, eventually gone.

Jobs gone.

Houses gone. Everything gone.

Even our giveaways gone, because there was no longer any money left.

We NEED TO MAKE THINGS HERE.


50 posted on 07/13/2012 4:58:30 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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