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Cold Fusion: Progress Report
Oil Price.com ^ | Mon, 09 July 2012 21:57 | By Brian Westenhaus

Posted on 07/14/2012 5:44:08 PM PDT by Kevmo

Cold Fusion: Progress Report

By Brian Westenhaus | Mon, 09 July 2012 21:57 |

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Your humble writer has been watching for the news out of the International Low Energy Nuclear Reactions Symposium, ILENRS-12 held at The College of William and Mary Sadler Center early last week. At long last, after years of little available event news we’re getting some interesting bits out.

The process of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) or Cold Fusion or your choice on an array of ideas on what to call it, have required the element palladium as a catalyst, that isn’t consumed, but represents an expensive initial outlay. Current commercial efforts use nickel instead, because it is plentiful and cheap and works almost as well.

The fuel of choice has been “heavy water”, which is non-radioactive and can be recovered from ocean saltwater. Four ounces of heavy water today costs about $50 and contains enough energy when converted to electricity to supply the average American with electricity for a lifetime. The commercial efforts are focused on plain fresh water, some with a hydrogen gas flow, now.

A LENR start is dramatic and unmistakable when it occurs – much more heat is released than any conceivable chemical process could generate. Such heat can be used for industrial processes, space heating or hot water, or it can be converted to electricity.

Today’s remaining problems concern reliability and control.

Whatever it is that makes LENR work, the phenomenon seems to have a mind of its own, and decides when to turn itself on and off. The commercial work that seems closest to a resolution of these problems are holding their cards close to their chests, hoping to be first to enter a huge and lucrative market.

A bit of background is in order because for LENR or cold fusion news isn’t appearing in papers published in major scholarly journals – a point we need to keep in mind. The story – very briefly:

Along with government censorship, which we can expect in proper circumstances, political censorship in an effort to not unduly alarm the public in the mainstream media there’s a wall still up of scientific censorship for LENR. The Internet is putting a foundation out for specialty and niche news, blogs and social networks that are exposing more information.

LENR has occupied a scientific backwater now for 23 years. Demonstrations have been repeated again and again, a great deal of know-how has been acquired and shared over the Internet. Scientists who stuck with it have been vindicated to those who are in the interested in the field.

In 1989, Martin Fleischmann, a scientist at the top of his field, with Stanley Pons told the world they had ran a LENR in a test tube. Within a year scientists from prestigious labs around the world spilled announcements they had tried to duplicate what Fleischmann had reported with no success. The results were un-reproducible. Cold Fusion was to become a joke about junk science.

About a year and a half back an Italian entrepreneur named Andrea Rossi demonstrated a cold fusion boiler, and announced the taking orders for 2012 delivery. The following months have brought a lot of others from the personal labs and quiet private researchers out into view.

Mr. Rossi has made a lot of web traffic and the first thing we see from the Symposium is the estimable Jed Rothwell who operates the prime scientific source for the field, LENR-CANR.ORG, starting a forum thread that became a worthy look at Mr. Rossi from those who know him. With subjective understanding a better objective view of Mr. Rossi and what he has going on is covered in the forum thread.

Before one begins a click through to the thoughts on Mr. Rossi his technology and business acumen lets note a fundamental problem – that government censorship.

So far the patent ability for LENR isn’t coming. The US Patent Office has a backlog of dozens of applications on which it is not acting, demanding cumbersome and expensive on-site demonstrations in addition to the usual paper filings. It’s not much better overseas. This puts the inventors in a very unusual spot. With no intellectual property rights, whatever is offered can simply be taken with poor grounds for compensation.

That plus the prospect that whatever works and is verified will become the top media circus in all of mankind’s history. Whatever we have, as reasoned and responsible as we try to be, what we’re getting from the commercial effort is so clouded, confused and in organizational disarray as to be without credibility.

Still, out in the real world, LENR science is in better shape. Italy, Japan, Israel and Greece are the current world leaders. China is suspected to have a major LENR program. Entrepreneurs and venture capitalists are quietly pursuing the pot of gold, isolated and in secret, avoiding the heavy hand of the US government, which might be a very good thing when commercial prospects get to market.

But the “news” is in a whole new arena. We won’t be getting papers and studies that can connect to existing technology for a long while. The commercial folks are working in a world more primitive than a “Wild West” situation and every bit as likely to go into a cold war framework or legal battles just as soon as someone seems to be making money.

The stakes are huge. Something dramatic is bound to happen, and a lot of politicians, bureaucrats, scientists and academic administrators will be gravely embarrassed – its essentially too late for them already. Yet, they will claim that they were simply surprised, that they could not have seen this coming.

But we aren’t and are looking forward to the future.

By. Brian Westenhaus


TOPICS: Science
KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; lanr; lenr
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1 posted on 07/14/2012 5:44:19 PM PDT by Kevmo
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To: dangerdoc; citizen; Liberty1970; Red Badger; Wonder Warthog; PA Engineer; glock rocks; free_life; ..

The Cold Fusion/LENR Ping List

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles


http://ecatnews.com/?p=1144


2 posted on 07/14/2012 5:47:19 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo

I thought only universities with really good football teams still endorsed cold fusion. (?)


3 posted on 07/14/2012 5:52:58 PM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: Kevmo

Never happen. Too many BIG interests will be sure it never sees the light of day. Big Oil, Big Wind, Big Bio, Big Coal, etc.,,,take your pick.


4 posted on 07/14/2012 5:56:56 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Kevmo
It's like finding gold ~ no, not a gold mine ~ they are rare and usually consist of nothing more than a tunnel to the remains of a magnetite meteorite with a higher than normal gold content.

I"m talking about finding gold ~ and almost all of that is taken from diffuse sources like enormous piles of dirt, vast boulder beds, sand and, worst of all, gravel pits (every gravel pit has a gold recovery unit somewhere on the premises).

Wherever gold really is found the discoverers keep it secret. It's a wild west out there.

Then, when you find it the government wants to tap into your good luck with punitive taxes!

The very first really good LENR Systems will be taxed like telephones ~ and "regulated' just in case.

That was a good article since it reflects the reality of gold and LENR development. I"m sure there are other comparable situations.

5 posted on 07/14/2012 5:58:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kevmo
Something dramatic is bound to happen

Are you sure?

6 posted on 07/14/2012 5:59:12 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Nervous Tick

Hey, you’re going to be sorry when Rossi has his ecat in Home Depot in time for the Christmas shopping season. He’ll show you!


8 posted on 07/14/2012 6:05:06 PM PDT by LiveFree99
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To: Kevmo

Mr. Rossi, still waiting for Kevmo to denounce him as a fraud.


9 posted on 07/14/2012 6:06:31 PM PDT by dila813
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To: LiveFree99

>> Hey, you’re going to be sorry when Rossi has his ecat in Home Depot in time for the Christmas shopping season. He’ll show you!

heh.

So what’s stopping him? Except that *most* of what they sell at HD actually *works*?


10 posted on 07/14/2012 6:08:35 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Kevmo

Thanks Kevmo.


11 posted on 07/14/2012 6:19:27 PM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Kevmo

Fantastic potential - if it works.

But does anyone see how this could really upset the dynamics of how much of the world operates today? With vast amounts of power available to the individual, what need have most of us for the existing infrastructure of delivering energy, when we could br running it out of a small reactor in the back yard? And the potential of destruction, with small, concentrated power units, set in a confined place, could wreak damage so much more devastating than some mere explosive like C-4 or nitroglycerine.

Once the genie is out of the bottle, even draconian measures would not serve to put it back. With wide access to even small amounts of this power potential, no totalitarian government could contain all the little cells of dissidents, nor would any potential authority figure be safe from the actions of a disgruntled constituent or a cadre of fanatics.

May you live in interesting times.


12 posted on 07/14/2012 6:24:38 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Kevmo

OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

/sarc off


13 posted on 07/14/2012 6:32:28 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Kevmo

OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

/sarc off


14 posted on 07/14/2012 6:32:28 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Kevmo

OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

/sarc off


15 posted on 07/14/2012 6:32:46 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Kevmo

OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

/sarc off


16 posted on 07/14/2012 6:33:02 PM PDT by fuente
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To: Kevmo

This is all crap....pay no attention to it.


17 posted on 07/14/2012 6:35:31 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: dila813

Feel free to prove it’s fraud

How to Prove that the Rossi/Focardi eCAT LENR is Real
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2730401/posts
Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:52:15 PM · by Kevmo · 55 replies
LENR.QUMBO.com ^ | April 6, 2011 | Alan Fletcher


18 posted on 07/14/2012 6:54:20 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: muawiyah

they are rare and usually consist of nothing more than a tunnel to the remains of a magnetite meteorite with a higher than normal gold content.
***Interesting, I didn’t know that


19 posted on 07/14/2012 6:56:13 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo

Yep, the cold fusion water heaters are just around the corner....and will remain so.


20 posted on 07/14/2012 6:58:53 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo
About a year and a half back an Italian entrepreneur named Andrea Rossi demonstrated a cold fusion boiler, and announced the taking orders for 2012 delivery.

The inevitable mention of Kevmo's favorite con artist.

21 posted on 07/14/2012 7:02:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
A LENR start is dramatic and unmistakable when it occurs – much more heat is released than any conceivable chemical process could generate. Such heat can be used for industrial processes, space heating or hot water, or it can be converted to electricity.

So where's it being used for such purposes?

That's right.

Nowhere.

22 posted on 07/14/2012 7:04:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
The other one folks don't know, and usually can't imagine, is that gold is usually associated with deposits of iron pyrite ~ another form of iron usually brought to Earth as a meteorite.,

That's called "fool's gold'. But you can find a deposit and work it down and there's just all sorts of mineral wealth in there.

23 posted on 07/14/2012 7:07:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kevmo
The other one folks don't know, and usually can't imagine, is that gold is usually associated with deposits of iron pyrite ~ another form of iron usually brought to Earth as a meteorite.,

That's called "fool's gold'. But you can find a deposit and work it down and there's just all sorts of mineral wealth in there.

24 posted on 07/14/2012 7:07:22 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kevmo

Still not sure whether to use the pixie dust to get the thing started or use it after it starts to keep it running. Might e-mail Disney ... they are experts in fantasy creations.


25 posted on 07/14/2012 7:18:12 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: Moonman62

Please stop stalking me.


26 posted on 07/14/2012 7:37:55 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Moonman62

Please stop stalking me.


27 posted on 07/14/2012 7:39:08 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo

Has anyone involved determined the conversion efficiency of this reaction? How much energy can be obtained from a mole of D2O? What are the daughter products? Are you left with helium atoms? or protium atoms? Can you generate more fuel i.e. deutreium and tritium in the process? It’s obviously a chemical reaction, because if it was truly a fusion reaction, the test setup would have vaporized itself, and everything around it. Even if D2 atoms were fusing in a nickel-palladium matrix, the energy resulting would be tremendous. It would have to be a chemical reaction that exploits the unique characterisics of the deuterium atom. With that being said, there is the possibilty that a reaction could occur within the crystalline structure of the catalyst. The only other process that I know of that can produce a sustainable hot fusion reaction is inertial electrostatic confinement. The neutron output is only around 10 17th or so though. The systems make great fast neutron emitters, but they make lousy power plants.


28 posted on 07/14/2012 8:10:41 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: chessplayer

“Never happen. Too many BIG interests will be sure it never sees the light of day. Big Oil, Big Wind, Big Bio, Big Coal, etc.,,,take your pick.”

Nonsense.

If it works, someone - lots of folks - will make a ton of money on it.

There are a lot of entrepreneurial “Davids” out there itching to take on the BIG Interest “Goliaths”.

If I were “BIG Coal”, I’d be looking at this REAL CLOSE, in case this Carbon Footprint nonsense does not go away.


29 posted on 07/14/2012 8:11:40 PM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: factoryrat

There are dozens of theories. None of them have been validated, a few of them have been invalidated.

My favorite is KP Sinha’s theory. Hagelstein’s latest theory is getting some mindshare. I think in the end, the solution will prove to be a combination of several theories.

Here’s a good place to start:
http://lenr-canr.org/


30 posted on 07/14/2012 9:15:02 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: alloysteel

With vast amounts of power available to the individual, what need have most of us for the existing infrastructure of delivering energy, when we could br running it out of a small reactor in the back yard?
***It would be a classic case of disruptive technology. I think the last time society saw that large of a change was when the automobile became affordable.


31 posted on 07/14/2012 9:29:02 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo
I think the last time society saw that large of a change was when the automobile became affordable.

Or when any kind of porn was available for anonymous downloading 24/7.
32 posted on 07/14/2012 9:37:33 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Kevmo
...told the world they had ran a LENR in a test tube...

For shame, Brian.
33 posted on 07/14/2012 9:41:41 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

Or when any kind of porn was available for anonymous downloading 24/7.
***Nope. Automobiles & cheap power change life for 100% of the population. Free porn just appeals to the male population, mostly.


34 posted on 07/15/2012 12:53:25 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: fuente
"OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

Not government. A bunch of physics professors who are already sucking on the government tit. To the tune of $250 Billion.

And I'm still waiting for you to "show me the voodoo" on those two papers on heat and helium.

35 posted on 07/15/2012 5:42:38 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: factoryrat
"Has anyone involved determined the conversion efficiency of this reaction? How much energy can be obtained from a mole of D2O? What are the daughter products? Are you left with helium atoms? or protium atoms? "

Energy output (experimentally measured/peer reviewed) ~23 MEV per He4 produced. And He4 is the final product...no "daughter products" are made. I'll leave the "energy per mole" calculation up to you.

"Can you generate more fuel i.e. deutreium and tritium in the process? It’s obviously a chemical reaction, because if it was truly a fusion reaction, the test setup would have vaporized itself, and everything around it.

No. It is CONTROLLED fusion. That's the whole point. There is evidence that tritium can be produced, but it is a very small side reaction.

"Even if D2 atoms were fusing in a nickel-palladium matrix, the energy resulting would be tremendous."

And that it is. With ~26 MEV per He4 produced.

"It would have to be a chemical reaction that exploits the unique characterisics of the deuterium atom. With that being said, there is the possibilty that a reaction could occur within the crystalline structure of the catalyst."

Nope. Too much energy.

"The only other process that I know of that can produce a sustainable hot fusion reaction is inertial electrostatic confinement. The neutron output is only around 10 17th or so though. The systems make great fast neutron emitters, but they make lousy power plants.

True.

36 posted on 07/15/2012 5:55:13 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: factoryrat

Here are some sources about helium production via LENR:

Storms, E., A Review of the Cold Fusion Effect. J. Sci. Expl., 1996. 10(2): p. 185.

Karabut, A.B., Y.R. Kucherov, and I.B. Savvatimova, Nuclear product ratio for glow discharge in deuterium. Phys. Lett. A, 1992. 170: p. 265.

Miles, M., B.F. Bush, and J.J. Lagowski, Anomalous effects involving excess power, radiation, and helium production during D2O electrolysis using palladium cathodes. Fusion Technol., 1994. 25: p. 478.

Gozzi, D., et al., X-ray, heat excess and 4He in the D/Pd system. J. Electroanal. Chem., 1998. 452: p. 251.

Bush, B.F. and J.J. Lagowski. Methods of Generating Excess Heat with the Pons and Fleischmann Effect: Rigorous and Cost Effective Calorimetry, Nuclear Products Analysis of the Cathode and Helium Analysis. in The Seventh International Conference on Cold Fusion. 1998. Vancouver, Canada: ENECO, Inc., Salt Lake City, UT.

Isobe, Y., et al. Search for Coherent Deuteron Fusion by Beam and Electrolysis Experiments. in 8th International Conference on Cold Fusion. 2000. Lerici (La Spezia), Italy: Italian Physical Society, Bologna, Italy.

McKubre, M.C.H., et al. The Emergence of a Coherent Explanation for Anomalies Observed in D/Pd and H/Pd System: Evidence for 4He and 3He Production. in 8th International Conference on Cold Fusion. 2000. Lerici (La Spezia), Italy: Italian Physical Society, Bologna, Italy.

Arata, Y. and Y.C. Zhang, Helium (4He, 3He) within deuterated Pd-black. Proc. Jpn. Acad., Ser. B, 1997. 73: p. 1.


37 posted on 07/15/2012 5:55:39 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: chessplayer

Just like big equine kept the internal combustion engine under wraps.


38 posted on 07/15/2012 6:16:21 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Wonder Warthog

I don’t debate sillness as science. Science is repeatable. Cold fusion is not, peer review be damned. This is all hype and is not recognized as scientific effort for a reason. Scientific scams are as old as science itself.

Science does not happen but once. — Newton.


39 posted on 07/15/2012 6:18:48 AM PDT by fuente
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To: Wonder Warthog

I don’t debate sillness as science. Science is repeatable. Cold fusion is not, peer review be damned. This is all hype and is not recognized as scientific effort for a reason. Scientific scams are as old as science itself.

Science does not happen but once. — Newton.


40 posted on 07/15/2012 6:18:59 AM PDT by fuente
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To: Kevmo
A LENR start is dramatic and unmistakable when it occurs – much more heat is released than any conceivable chemical process could generate.

Unless you use 0.196 M hydrogen peroxide. Then you have plenty of chemical heat.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2905533/posts?page=72#72

41 posted on 07/15/2012 6:53:24 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Wonder Warthog
"OMG, It is a government conspiracy to keep this hidden!!!

Not government. A bunch of physics professors who are already sucking on the government tit. To the tune of $250 Billion.

Those physics professors are smart people who read stories like this about elderly scientists making cold fusion claims they can't back up. They don't want to see money wasted on cranks and a pathological science. It's not a conspiracy. It's sound judgement.

42 posted on 07/15/2012 7:41:29 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot
A LENR start is dramatic and unmistakable when it occurs – much more heat is released than any conceivable chemical process could generate.

Maybe if the cold fusion cranks repeat it enough times then it will be true.

43 posted on 07/15/2012 7:48:03 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

If we discard all the times it’s been proven to be used as the input, how many LENR experiments have been replicated? Feel free to prove your assertions.


44 posted on 07/15/2012 1:12:01 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: factoryrat
It’s obviously a chemical reaction, because if it was truly a fusion reaction, the test setup would have vaporized itself, and everything around it. Even if D2 atoms were fusing in a nickel-palladium matrix, the energy resulting would be tremendous.

Not necessarily. You're confusing the energy per mole with the rate of reaction. If the reaction runs slowly enough, with only an infinitesimal percentage of the atoms fusing per unit time, then you can have useful energy without blowing up your setup.

That said, I'm still waiting for a LENR demonstration of significant duration ( > 24 hours, minimum, week preferable), done at an independent testing facility.

45 posted on 07/15/2012 1:21:22 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Kevmo
So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

Just as a reminder, your 14,700 number comes from an obscure Chinese journal and as far as I know there's been no attempt to determine the quality of any of those experiments, which is much more important than quantity.

And remember that when you post in the open, you post to everybody.

Link

46 posted on 07/15/2012 2:03:47 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

Just as a reminder, your 14,700 number comes from an obscure Chinese journal and as far as I know there's been no attempt to determine the quality of any of those experiments, which is much more important than quantity.

And remember that when you post in the open, you post to everybody.

Link

47 posted on 07/15/2012 2:04:12 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
So, then all the 14,700 times that LENR has been replicated, it was due to H202 at the input?

Post the list of all 14,700 and I'll let you know.

48 posted on 07/15/2012 4:43:00 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Math is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: Moonman62

Please stop stalking me.


49 posted on 07/15/2012 6:59:47 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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To: Toddsterpatriot

No you won’t. Even if I went to all that trouble, you’d just deliver crickets, you wanker.


50 posted on 07/15/2012 7:06:17 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It's A Socon Site.)
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