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Dog 'crates' are just tiny, harmful cages
Cleveland.com ^ | July 14, 2012 | Karen Porreca [PETA]

Posted on 07/15/2012 2:58:02 AM PDT by Daffynition

What if, at your local pet-supply store, you could purchase a dog-training tool that would make your dog weaker, klutzier and less intelligent? And what if this tool increased your dog's frustration and fearfulness about the world and made him or her less likely to bond with you? Would you buy it? Of course not! Yet, millions of these "tools" are sold every year to unsuspecting dog lovers who want the absolute best for their dogs. The tool is a "crate," which is just a euphemism for a cage. In fact, dog crates are even smaller than most cages that are used to house dogs in laboratories.

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To: Daffynition
Dog crates IMO can be a great training tool, especially for young and not quite house broken pups (I’m not a big fan of “paper training” BTW) and even as a safe place for your dog (or cat) to go to if feeling insecure or stressed or scared, like during a thunder storm or a house full of guests, especially lots of rambunctious kids who want to play with the dog, long after the dog gets tired of playing. Dogs like their “dens” as long as their den is a safe and comfortable and not cramped place and not a form of punishment or for prolonged isolation. The crate should be a safe place and adequately sized for the size of the dog. Proper crate training also helps if you expect to travel any distance with your dog or cat either by car or plane.

I’ve owned more cats over the years than dogs and I actually crate trained several of my cats. I got them used to getting into their crates by making it a fun, comfortable and safe place to go to so that when I had to take them to the vets or on trips or during one of my several moves, they were not at all stressed about going into their crates and voluntarily got into them. Willie the Wonder Cat loved his crate and learned that my brining out his crate meant he was going for a fun car ride or to visit with family and friends; which he loved as he was a very sociable cat. I got Willie used to car rides by me taking him along on short car rides to the store or just around the block and on short trips to my parent’s house and not just putting him into his crate for trips to the vet. This made trips to the vet a lot less stressful for Willie and for me.

IMO, and from my experience, dog or cat crates should never be used as a form of punishment or as a substitute for good training and socialization or someplace to just “store” your dog or cat when you expect to be gone for many hours on end and long after a dog or cat should be expected to “hold it”, i.e. needing to go for a walk or access to a litter box. A properly trained and socialized dog or cat should never have to be confined to a crate for long periods of time but a crate is not necessarily a bad thing either.

21 posted on 07/15/2012 5:01:20 AM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Lazamataz; Daffynition
~AND~ sometimes when they don't have a crate, they just make their own. (Preferrably with dirty laundry at the bottom .....


22 posted on 07/15/2012 5:04:14 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Daffynition

I also don’t like crates. Never have. None of my dogs liked them either. Would go hysterical if we tried to put them in. Two of my dogs would poo in them no matter how long they had been in them.
Don’t really know why’d you’d need then when they are past the puppy stage anyway. I used them briefly then so they wouldn’t get harmed if I couldn’t be watching them they were young. If I’m going to have a dog I want one that is allowed to go in any room they want or sleep wherever they want.

Don’t like people who use dog houses and stick their dogs outside all day either.


23 posted on 07/15/2012 5:06:20 AM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: beandog

If you don’t like those who like dog houses or crates, then you don’t like every dog I have ever owned.


24 posted on 07/15/2012 5:14:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Borg Zombies walk around groaning "Commmppuutteerrrrssss......Commmppuutteerrrrssss......")
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To: Lazamataz

We rescued a GSD that had been crated and put in small runs for the first 3 years of its life. We don’t crate our dogs for several reasons. Watching Ika go from a crated dog to one that has the run of the house was amazing.

We make sure that there are places here where they can den up in the house if they need the security feeling. Ika went from hiding and being fearful to becoming part of the pack and very playful in about 2 months. We could tell when he realized his life was better. It was like a light switch went on in his mind. One of the most wonderful moments that I can remember with any dog.

I don’t like crates for a few reasons. First is that if a dog has a medical emergency inside a crate, that crate can inhibit you from getting to the dog if it’s a large dog. Second is why in the world would you lock a dog in a cage at night leaving your home unprotected??? Third is that if there is an emergency where you have to leave the house immediately and cannot take the time to uncrate the dog, such as a fire, you’ve just condemned the dog to death.

Crate training is a lazy method of training a dog. I don’t think crates are what PETA says they are but I don’t like them at all.


25 posted on 07/15/2012 5:19:08 AM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Daffynition

It’s the bars. Build one in wood, with louvers so he can see up, and you’ll find it picture-pretty.

A place of one’s own is built into the psyche of dog and man both. Doesn’t matter what it looks like, ultimately. A bath towel rigged like a tent between two chairs makes a getaway that satisfies the requirement.


26 posted on 07/15/2012 5:25:06 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: Daffynition

Our Old English Sheep dog loves her crate. We had used it as a “time out” area for a while, but now she sleeps in it on a regular basis. She even trimmed the limbs on our Japanese boxwood plants to make a den / sleeping area. We thought she had escaped from the back yard and found her sleeping in there.


27 posted on 07/15/2012 5:26:53 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It's time to take out the trash in DC.)
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To: Daffynition
Dog 'crates' are just tiny, harmful cages

Unmitigated BULLSHIT, from unknowing, do-gooder A$$HOLES. Had dogs all my life and they loved their crates. It was their dens and they spent a lot of time relaxing in there.

28 posted on 07/15/2012 5:29:32 AM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Daffynition
what a load of Barbra Strisand...

the best technique ever for training, secure, happy canines and keeping the house clean and dry at night....

win win...

PETA(as an organ not as individuals) needs to be DESTROYED....along with greenpeace and those other whale and wildlife dooooooshbags.

29 posted on 07/15/2012 5:30:48 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: shibumi

Our dachshund has a blanket and when he’s tired or stressed or at the end of the day, he burrows under it and turns and turns until it is tightly wrapped around him.


30 posted on 07/15/2012 5:31:36 AM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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To: Daffynition

Had Rotties for 37-years and every one loved their crate. How do I know? When I can’t find them in the house they are usually snoozing in their crate...they go in voluntarily.

Our Rotties know that their crate is a safe place...no discipline in the crate, completely their place.


31 posted on 07/15/2012 5:37:17 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: BCR #226

When I crate, I crate without locking the door. I might shut it but usually I have removed the latch so they can bump it open when needed.


32 posted on 07/15/2012 5:41:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Borg Zombies walk around groaning "Commmppuutteerrrrssss......Commmppuutteerrrrssss......")
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To: mickie

Yes! Your pooch is secure and comfortable, because you leave it open. Pets can’t always communicate their psychological needs, but if you give them reasonable freedom to address their own needs, they are happier.
The problem arises when owners use the locks too much. Then the pet has anxiety about a place where he ought to have contentment; he can’t leave when he needs to, and don’t think he isn’t aware of that.
Would we go to our getaways if we knew we might not be able to “check out” when we desired?


33 posted on 07/15/2012 5:43:11 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Regarding "that vet" - one of my favorite Far Side cartoons:


34 posted on 07/15/2012 5:44:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: MD Expat in PA

I was just thinking earlier today that perhaps crate training dogs and even cats could be something worth trying for those in disaster prone areas. Critters usually have fine instincts about when things are getting bad, and if a pet could be trained to seek shelter in their crate, particularly if the crate was in “the safe place” for whatever the emergency you most expect to happen is, it lessens the chances of a pet dying, or of a human dying trying to save a pet.

I’d think at the very least tornadoes and earthquakes could be provided for....a lot of animals instinctively fear thunder, and would try to hide from it. Basement for tornadoes being the primary concern, under a structural support for earthquakes I believe?

Just a thought...


35 posted on 07/15/2012 5:50:52 AM PDT by Fire_on_High (WTB new tagline, PST!)
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To: Daffynition

For a couple years I lived in an apartment and the dogs spent time in pens whiie I was at work. I still feel bad about it but then we moved to a house and they spent their last years in a big yard.

Now of course my current dogs have the run of the place!


36 posted on 07/15/2012 5:57:57 AM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

The crates don’t have to be ugly. You can slide one under a table, put a pretty floor-length table-cloth over the table, and it can look nice.

I have one dog who, though allegedly crate-trained when I got him at 9 weeks, would damage himself trying to get out of a crate. It was not a good idea to continue to work on this. Other dogs adored their crates and didn’t have to be trained. Most of them preferred to sleep on my bed or the loveseat in my bedroom, but would go into the crate for a nap.

And when my good girl died a few months ago, her brother mourned by lying in her crate with his eyes staring into nothingness for weeks.


37 posted on 07/15/2012 6:02:01 AM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: Daffynition

Rush talks about the sine qua non of a liberal:

They aren’t happy telling you what they think is right. They insist they have the right to demand that YOU conform to what THEY think is right.

Canines are denning animals. In the wild, they pick small cozy places. Our dog loves the crate. It is her space and she often chooses it when she has the run of the house. Especially if there is a lot of activity and she wants a little peace and quiet.

I am sure other dogs don’t like it, especially if they were rescue dogs and had been mistreated at some point. Dogs have personalities and no reason all should like the same thing.

PETA: Mind your own business.


38 posted on 07/15/2012 6:13:44 AM PDT by RedElement
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To: Daffynition

I’ve a dog cage, which is only slightly larger than a crate, mine fits a german shepard sized dog, and that was one of the MOST USEFUL tools I’ve ever employed for raising a dog from 6 months old.

And they love their dog house.


39 posted on 07/15/2012 6:18:07 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Daffynition

Obviously they’ve never had a dog!!! My dog loves his crate. It is his safe place, his refuge. He goes there for his naps most of the time, or when there are too many kids about or an upset in the house. When we travel it gives him a familiar comforting place to stay. If he is in trouble he can go hide out in his crate and be safe. He has a big fenced in yard and is welcome anywhere in the house including our bed, but neither the people nor the dog would trade away the crate.


40 posted on 07/15/2012 6:24:56 AM PDT by Roses0508
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