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Avengers' Director Whedon Goes On Anti-Capitalist Rant
Breitbart.com ^ | 7/14/2012 | John Nolte

Posted on 07/15/2012 11:19:44 AM PDT by Beave Meister

So says the guy probably worth somewhere around a gajillion dollars and who likely made somewhere around a thousand times more money from "Avengers" than anyone on the crew.

But Whedon's obviously talking about socialism for, you know, other people:

“We are watching capitalism destroy itself right now,” [Whedon] told the audience.

He added that America is “turning into Tsarist Russia” and that “we’re creating a country of serfs.”

Whedon was raised on the Upper Westside neighborhood of Manhattan in the 1970s, an area associated with left-leaning intellectuals. He said he was raised by people who thought socialism was a ''beautiful concept."

Socialism remains a taboo word in American politics, as Republicans congressmen raise the specter of the Cold War. They refer to many Obama administration initatives as socialist, and the same goes for most laws that advocate increasing spending on social welfare programs. They also refer to the President as a socialist, though this and many of their other claims misuse the term.

This evidently frustrates Whedon, who traces this development to Ronald Reagan[.]

We have people trying to create structures and preserve the structures that will help the middle and working class, and people calling them socialists,” Whedon said. “It’s not Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal […] it’s some people with some sense of dignity and people who have gone off the reservation.”

Great idea. Let's start with Hollywood!

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I'm sure he made several million dollars directing "Avengers". No one does HYPOCRISY better than the Left.
1 posted on 07/15/2012 11:19:54 AM PDT by Beave Meister
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To: Beave Meister

A good example for why I never go see movies anymore. I’ll just download them illegally and chance getting thrown in jail instead. :D


2 posted on 07/15/2012 11:36:45 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: Beave Meister
glad i watched it online and didn't contribute to his capitalist problems...
3 posted on 07/15/2012 11:37:46 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: ducttape45

“In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty liberals talk about...the only cases in recorded history, is where they’ve had Capitalism and free trade market government systems. If you want to know where the masses have been worst off, they are exactly the kinds of societies that depart from that. Recorded history has been crystal clear that there is no alternative way so far discovered at improving our way of life that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by free trade enterprise markets.”......Milton Friedman


4 posted on 07/15/2012 11:42:58 AM PDT by Beave Meister (Die Hard Cubs Fan.....if it takes forever.)
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To: Beave Meister
I don't believe that Whedon is making anything like a sophisticated critique of various economic systems, but nevertheless he is going down a path that some wise men have already traveled.

Hillaire Belloc and GK Chesterton made the point (100 years ago) that socialism was tyranny and was not a moral system, and not a solution to the world's problems. Likewise, they made the point that capitalism would tend inevitably to something that called the Servile State, which we would probably call fascism.

I look at America today and I see that capitalism here (I don't mean the free market) has resulted in something I recognize as fascism and which I see as very similar to socialism. I think we are serfs and I think it is a result of Big Government colluding with Big Business.

Belloc andf Chesterton argued in favor an economic system based on Christian morality, because they said neither capitalism nor socialism could be depended upon to build a decent society with long-term staying power.

5 posted on 07/15/2012 11:46:55 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Beave Meister
Socialism remains a taboo word in American politics

I wonder why.

Maybe because of the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party, or the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics.

You are batting for the same team as the Nazi's you ignorant Putz!

6 posted on 07/15/2012 11:47:16 AM PDT by KC_Lion (The Supreme Court issued their ruling on Obamacare. Soon, We the People shall issue ours.)
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To: Beave Meister

Tax him at 110% and see how he likes socialism.

Azz####.


7 posted on 07/15/2012 11:51:12 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: Beave Meister

From the article: “They also refer to the President as a socialist, though this and many of their other claims misuse the term.” How is the term MISUSED when referring to obama?


8 posted on 07/15/2012 11:54:41 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To kin and former friends: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: Beave Meister

There is just no end to the self-destructive, hypocritical fools in Hollywood.

Has there ever been an industry that is so completely made up of idiots who have no idea where their own wealth and status comes from?

It’d almost be worth it to see everything collapse from their policy proscriptions and be able to walk up to them when they are destitute and tell them what idiots they are.

But they still wouldn’t get it. They’re just too stupid.


9 posted on 07/15/2012 12:01:30 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Beave Meister

The refrain that Capitalism is broke ignores the irritating reality that men are broke, and their brokenness is reflected in everything they do, including economics and politics. Socialism is broke. Communism is broke. It’s all broke. We could look at the corruption in our electorate, and conclude that Democracy is broke. Of course it is. Democrats have contaminated it. Does that mean we throw it away? Capitalism can be fixed. Democracy can be fixed. Socialism, Communism, all the parasitic garbage the left is pushing can’t be fixed.


10 posted on 07/15/2012 12:01:55 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Beave Meister

There is just no end to the self-destructive, hypocritical fools in Hollywood.

Has there ever been an industry that is so completely made up of idiots who have no idea where their own wealth and status comes from?

It’d almost be worth it to see everything collapse from their policy proscriptions and be able to walk up to them when they are destitute and tell them what idiots they are.

But they still wouldn’t get it. They’re just too stupid.


11 posted on 07/15/2012 12:01:55 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Beave Meister
There is no point in paying any attention to the babblings of entertainers. They (sometimes) have the talent and the skills to amuse us. They rarely have the intelligence or wisdom to understand anything else, let alone inform the rest of us.

I'll continue to enjoy Whedon's "Serenity", the best SF movie I've seen in years. His insights on capitalism are as of much interest to me as an organ grinder's monkey's views on particle physics.
12 posted on 07/15/2012 12:04:48 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Beave Meister

Way too many Hollyweird commie ‘RAT libs suffer from wealth guilt. They just don’t want their money being thrown into the government sewer. They want other people’s (Republicans and conservatives) money being used for that. They’ll use their celebrity pulpit tell us about it as often as they can. It’s their way of “helping the poor”.


13 posted on 07/15/2012 12:05:50 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obamanism is a kook cult!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

>>I look at America today and I see that capitalism here (I don’t mean the free market) has resulted in something I recognize as fascism and which I see as very similar to socialism. I think we are serfs and I think it is a result of Big Government colluding with Big Business.

Very true. You get it! Most are still stuck in the old Left vs Right paradigm.


14 posted on 07/15/2012 12:07:49 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: Beave Meister
Whedon


15 posted on 07/15/2012 12:22:51 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: KC_Lion

Maybe Whedon wants to do a remake of “Triumph des Willens”.


16 posted on 07/15/2012 12:24:37 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Beave Meister
That is very disappointing, as well as mildly surprising.

I thought "Firefly" had a libertarian slant to it.

Guess I was wrong.

17 posted on 07/15/2012 12:25:13 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Terry Mross
From the article: “They also refer to the President as a socialist, though this and many of their other claims misuse the term.” How is the term MISUSED when referring to obama?

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Socialism: a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

I guess you can use "socialist" or "socialism" in a looser, more metaphorical sense as well, but you have to be aware that you're doing so, and a lot of people aren't.

Whedon comes out of a very left-wing environment where some people still believe in public ownership of the means of production, so he's sensitive to the distinctions.

His mother was a teacher at a private school and his father was a writer for the Electric Company (how Joss turned out confirms a lot of things people have long believed about public education and public broadcasting).

18 posted on 07/15/2012 12:33:36 PM PDT by x
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To: ClearCase_guy
So what is the difference between capitalism and the other economic system based on Christian morality which you mention?
19 posted on 07/15/2012 12:36:04 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ClearCase_guy
So what is the difference between capitalism and the other economic system based on Christian morality which you mention?
20 posted on 07/15/2012 12:36:18 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Borges; DollyCali; Perdogg

ping


21 posted on 07/15/2012 12:43:04 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: ClearCase_guy
Hillaire Belloc and GK Chesterton made the point (100 years ago) that socialism was tyranny and was not a moral system, and not a solution to the world's problems. Likewise, they made the point that capitalism would tend inevitably to something that called the Servile State, which we would probably call fascism.

We're not going to get anywhere as long as we continue to use Marx's terms. It's not "capitalism" vs "socialism". It's "free market" vs "command economy".

The distinguishing characteristic of the free market is that it is free: somebody has some good or service he thinks people will want to buy, he produces it, and hopefully people will freely buy it. If he's right, then he gets money to try other ideas.

The distinguishing characteristic of the "command economy" (socialism) is that you have government deciding what they want people to be doing, and use the force of government (regulation, taxes, subsidies, incentives) backed by people with guns to make it happen. Being a winner in a command economy doesn't come from being right about what people want, it comes from being buddies with the people who run government.

It's freedom vs being a slave to the government. Let's get our terms right.

22 posted on 07/15/2012 12:48:21 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: what's up; PapaBear3625
Belloc and Chesterton discussed Distributism. It's an economic system based on property ownership. It focuses on individualism and personal responsibility. It opposes big government and big business -- arguing, in fact, that big business is only really possible if big government provides subsidies, or tax breaks, or regulations which allow one enterprise to dominate over all others within a particular market -- it is wrong, in other words, for government to pick winners and losers. If government stays small, business cannot get truly big and oppressive.

Distributists say that they like the free market just fine. But that capitalism is not really an example of the free market, because capitalism necessarily depends on a "helpful" political climate.

Not everyone likes Distributism (it didn't catch on circa 1910 either) but I think it is worth knowing about.

I would also make this point:
Conservatives laugh at socialists. The socialists say, "Sure, Socialism didn't really work in Russia. Or China. Or Cuba. Or this place. Or that place. But it will surely work in the next place. We will just do socialism better -- next time!"

We laugh at that and we (rightly) call it insanity.

But where has capitalism remained capitalism?? Sure, it works well for awhile, but then we get Woodrow Wilson, or FDR, or LBJ, or Clinton or Obama -- and little buy little our "capitalism" starts to look a lot like socialism, doesn't it? This is what happened in England, in Germany, in America -- just about everywhere capitalism is put in place, over time it ends up looking like socialism.

And we tell ourselves that capitalism will work out fine -- and will stay capitalism -- next time.

I say that capitalism contains an inherent and inevitable tendency to turn into the Servile State. The free market (I think) works. Capitalism doesn't.

23 posted on 07/15/2012 12:55:38 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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To: Beave Meister

Another Hollywood millionaire who makes his money on name and face recognition pushing a system where we would all be poor faceless nobodies.

Well - since guys like this are running every level of our government, why not?

Now go pay your taxes - your government is broke. :)


24 posted on 07/15/2012 1:02:05 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Beave Meister
He added that America is “turning into Tsarist Russia” and that “we’re creating a country of serfs.”

Yet another near perfect example of leftist projection.

He rants against capitalism, which as made him and many others millions. Capitalism has created in this republic the greatest economy the world has ever known.

He praises socialism (communism) as being the great savior of civilization.

Every example of socialist and communist government has ended with collapse and ruin. It is the very thing he praises that creates "serfs."

He can't or intentionally refuses to see that.



I have posted this a few times, this clown's spewing is a good example so here we go again.





They are beyond help, they do not have the capacity to be educated out of communism disguised as "liberalism and progressiveness." They can not or refuse to see the destructive nature of the communism disguised as "liberalism and progressiveness" they promote.

What the supporters of communist "liberalism and progressiveness" will destroy is the very nation that gave them their freedom. They will complain, demonize, belittle and protest when opposed but only preserving this Republic in it’s original context will continue to give them their freedom to complain and protest against it.

They will not stop destroying this nation of their own accord.

The only way to preserve freedom for American Citizens in this Republic is suppression of the communist supporters. "Taking the high road" is rapidly becoming something to be put on the shelf for a while. It is now time to step up, get in their face and refuse any other narrative other than they are worthless communist agenda bastards undeserving of a place in this Republic.





Worthless communist agenda bastards undeserving of a place in this Republic.






So, how?

One battle at a time and they will kick, scream, curse and fight the return of their freedom and sane behavior every inch of the way. If some semblance of our former Republic can be restored they will require constant observation. The communists will revert to demanding total control faster than can be understood by rational thought as rational thought is not understood by communists.

The supporters of communist "liberalism and progressiveness" will NEVER be normal freedom loving American Citizens. It is my understanding of history that not that long ago American Citizens put freedom before communism and put communist traitors in jail.

Worked once, ought to work again.

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25 posted on 07/15/2012 1:03:04 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

The libertarian slant on Firefly came from his partner in the production, Tim Minear. Whedon does great dialogue and group dynamics, but can’t plot his way out of a wet paper bag. . .


26 posted on 07/15/2012 1:13:53 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Salgak
Scarlett Johansson isn’t going to be worrying about money any time soon. Her payday for Marvel’s planned Avengers 2 puts her at the top of the highest female earners in Hollywood, as the studio pledges to cash out $20 million to the buxom beauty to get her to reprise her role in the hotly anticipated sequel.

Sounds like Socalism

27 posted on 07/15/2012 1:23:15 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: Salgak

That explains it. Thanks.


28 posted on 07/15/2012 1:27:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
"Serenity" was on earlier today. He knows what sells. The River Tam response in the beginning "We tell them what to think, what to eat,...we're in their heads..." is describing the utopia that Whedon is apparently desiring, regardless that his "art" the cheers on the opposite.
29 posted on 07/15/2012 1:33:59 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: VeniVidiVici

Looks and talks a lot like Ron Howard.


30 posted on 07/15/2012 1:34:25 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Beave Meister

Well truth is it was not a rant. It was a brief answer to a question asked by a member of SDCC. But likewise this is what he believes. And we disagree.

AdamsBaldwin, who was also on the Firefly panel did tweet “
If America is turning into ‘Tsarist Russia’ under Obama, then the only viable alternative in November is @MittRomney. What’s Left to ponder?”


31 posted on 07/15/2012 1:57:46 PM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: Beave Meister

Let me give you my adress so you can send me some of your cash that you don’t think you should have.....or sit down and STFU!

Damn idjit...sorry I went to see the movie now.


32 posted on 07/15/2012 2:27:21 PM PDT by Adder (Da bro has GOT to go!)
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To: Terry Mross
How is the term MISUSED when referring to obama?

Because he hasn't nationalized the means of production.

Oh, . . . never mind.

33 posted on 07/15/2012 2:33:50 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Terry Mross
How is the term MISUSED when referring to obama?

Because he hasn't nationalized the means of production.

Oh, . . . never mind.

34 posted on 07/15/2012 2:34:17 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Whedon is a left-wing nutbag of the highest order. He’s also extremely pro-homosexual in every way and seeks to insert that sort of thing into whatever he does. I can’t even stand to hear that smarmy, arrogant sissy boy speak.


35 posted on 07/15/2012 2:37:39 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
That is very disappointing, as well as mildly surprising. I thought "Firefly" had a libertarian slant to it. Guess I was wrong.

I would say that it does. In fact it is downright disdainful of government. That doesn't necessarily make Whedon a libertarian of course.

36 posted on 07/15/2012 2:56:03 PM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: Beave Meister
Would Whedon agree that copyright laws protecting intellectual “property” are a Bourgeois invention and all entertainment belongs to the collective?

Viva la Digital Revolution!

37 posted on 07/15/2012 3:08:02 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Beave Meister

Sometimes I imagine these folks’ fantasies would come true and their socialist dreams would materialize, only so their own rewards as useless idiots would actually transpire.


38 posted on 07/15/2012 4:57:10 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: Beave Meister

If he is so anti-capitalist, maybe he can just release all his movies to be seen free and copied and distributed at will.

Moron.


39 posted on 07/15/2012 6:27:03 PM PDT by RatRipper (Obama, YOU LIE!!! . . .again and again and again and again, ad infinitum. . . .)
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To: Beave Meister

A total lunatic.


40 posted on 07/15/2012 8:20:39 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You weren’t wrong. I read an interview with Whedon several years ago where he spoke about being a very hardcore leftist, but stated that he felt Malcolm Reynolds in Firefly was very much a Libertarian. He said he did not share any views with the fictional Captain Reynolds, but thought it was a good fit for the character. As much as I find Whedon’s views to be rather screwy, I do respect a writer that can step outside his own views to write an honest portrayal of a person that they probably wouldn’t associate with in real life. I found it similar to J.M. Stracynski (sp?) who wrote Babylon 5. He is very much an atheist, but a couple of the stories he wrote for Babylon 5 concerning religion and the group of priests onboard (Passing Through Gethsemane, especially) really captured some fairly heady philosophy and some solid Christian thinking.


41 posted on 07/16/2012 7:49:41 AM PDT by tarawa
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