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Bloomberg Businessweek's ANTI-ROMNEY / MORMON cover (this week's issue)
July 16, 2012 | vanity

Posted on 07/15/2012 11:43:08 PM PDT by Lancey Howard



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Religion
KEYWORDS: inman; lds; mormon; romney
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1 posted on 07/15/2012 11:43:19 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I pulled this magazine out of my mailbox on Saturday and couldn’t believe my eyes.


2 posted on 07/15/2012 11:49:32 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Cancel your subscription and tell them why.


3 posted on 07/15/2012 11:51:18 PM PDT by Hildy (F"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - Socrates)
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To: Lancey Howard

So,,,,, the hard hitting critique is that mormons understand, and are successful, in business? thats more than i can say about Barky ,,,


4 posted on 07/15/2012 11:52:14 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I thought this was a joke, but it’s not.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bloomberg-businessweek-releases-controversial-cover-depicting-mormonism/

First, the Jews, and now...

I’m wondering how long until us Southern Baptists?


5 posted on 07/16/2012 12:00:13 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Hildy

It’s actually my son’s subscription and I think he got the subscription for free.
He’s out of town and hasn’t seen this issue yet.


6 posted on 07/16/2012 12:00:36 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

This is pretty chicken scheise...

I have half a mind (only half) to subscribe and then cancel so I can tell them why...

AND I also look forward to their equally hard-hitting discussion of Scientology’s monetary exploits.

Maybe I will be waiting until Tom Cruise runs for president?

HAH! :-)


7 posted on 07/16/2012 12:04:03 AM PDT by muffaletaman (IMNSHO - I MIGHT be wrong, but I doubt it.)
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To: Lancey Howard

How the Mormons Make Money

Wow...

8 posted on 07/16/2012 12:06:15 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: dixiechick2000

Yep, it’s not a parody or a photoshop... It’s the real cover. I have the actual physical magazine.

I, too, am disturbed by a “business” publication going after, in rather brutal fashion, the religion of a candidate for President. (And I will not be voting for Romney, btw.) It’s a real head-shaker. I wonder if ‘Bloomberg Businessweek’ has ever done an in-depth, “exclusive” slam about, say, Islam? Or the Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church? Or Scientology?


9 posted on 07/16/2012 12:09:28 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

I started to post and ask you if this was for real, then decided to go look for myself. Geez!


10 posted on 07/16/2012 12:09:44 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Lancey Howard

“Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s church”

THAT’S the one I want to see!

This is a real shocker to me, but I guess it shouldn’t be, given the direction of all but the conservative media.

I must say, though, the libs must be pretty troubled to do such an outrageous thing.


11 posted on 07/16/2012 12:13:40 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (This hobbit is looking for her pitchfork...God help the GOP if I find it.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I believe Mormon theology is incorrect, but gee whiz this looks more like an anti-religious screed than any kind of plausible criticism of Mitt’s business dealings, or how his religion might have influenced same.


12 posted on 07/16/2012 12:16:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: MestaMachine
Thanks for finding and posting a link to the actual article.
But get this! The title of the article in the physical magazine is:

Latter-day Lucre: How the Mormon Church Makes Its Billions

13 posted on 07/16/2012 12:25:02 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
I am not a Mormon and I do not believe in their doctrine.

That said, that cover is disgraceful.

14 posted on 07/16/2012 12:29:17 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Lancey Howard

I’d like to say I’m surprised, but I’m not. I predicted long ago that one of the reasons the Democrats wanted Romney so badly is because they have stockpiled numerous stories like this, and are just waiting for the time to use them.

Attacking Mitt through the Mormon Church is an obvious play and they can be expected to use it to the hilt. And they will — as long as the attacks seem to be working. How the public reacts to this one, and I don’t mean how the Conservatives react, will indicate whether we can expect more of them.

This could backfire.

OTOH, it does show that Romney is going to have to get a lot nastier than he has been, because even if the Church line of attack fails, I am sure they have others. He’s going to have to hit back hard, now or he’s finished.


15 posted on 07/16/2012 1:04:13 AM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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To: DaveTesla; Lancey Howard
"has ever done an in-depth, “exclusive” slam about, say, Islam? "

yitbos

16 posted on 07/16/2012 1:09:19 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds." -- Ayn Rand)
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I am not religious in any way. I find non-PC jokes very funny. I also see a huge chasm between jokes, and downright attacks. As I said I do not follow any religion, but I take offense at blatant attacks on somebody else’s beliefs. I do not like it when I see my nephews do it to Christians on Facebook (of course their big beef is Christians don’t think you should boink like bunny rabbits then throw the inevitable “mistake” into the dumpster)...but this is orders of magnitude beyond the juvenile screeds from my young ignorant family members. I do not agree with Mormon doctrine, but I work with many and vacation with several, and have never met one since I was 9 years old that I did not like. I think this kind of villification happened once somewhere across the ocean in the early 30’s.


17 posted on 07/16/2012 1:18:10 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: Lancey Howard

Disgusting.


18 posted on 07/16/2012 1:43:00 AM PDT by sf4dubya (I rebelled against my parents by becoming a conservative)
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To: dixiechick2000

This isn’t about one denomination over another. Liberals hate Christianity in general. From their attacks to the Catholic Church during the Obamacare debate in the USSC to this cover. I suspect when a Southern Baptist runs for president, then we’ll see attacks on the Southern Baptist Convention.


19 posted on 07/16/2012 2:59:46 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Ronin

The media is feeding off the public perceptions of the Mormon Church and it’s practices, it’s reach, and it’s wealth and they’re attacking Romney and Christians in the process.


20 posted on 07/16/2012 3:02:13 AM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Lancey Howard
Well, this should make a few of our Freeps here who HATE Mormons (and Mitt) happy.

Being a Catholic, I can imagine if Romney was of my faith, the attacks on him and my Church would be much the same; probably listing all the Priests who have been caught up in pedophilia scandals.

BTW, I wonder which religion has more assets: Catholics or Mormons?

Natch, nothing is ever said about Dear Leader's 20 years listening to the rabid, racist, HATE-Whitey/America, Rev Wright and his "Liberation Theology."

OR, B. Hussein Obama appeasing, defending, supporting the practitioners of the "Religion of Pieces" (OUR SWORN ENEMIES) and they who have vowed to DESTROY our Republic and replace our Constitution with Sharia.

21 posted on 07/16/2012 3:03:14 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: All

Ah yes...

The Tolerant Left.

Liberals are Vile, Hateful and desperate people.


22 posted on 07/16/2012 3:23:32 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Lancey Howard

I am a Catholic who pretty much disagrees with Mormons up and down the line, except for to the degree that their religion proscribes behavior consistent with natural law (pro-life, etc.)

I certainly have absolutely no use for Romney whatsoever and will not be voting for him.

This cover looked like a bad attempt at satire. It is unfair to Mormons, but it is also to me offensive because it is using an image of Our Lord to make fun of Mormons.

On top of that, why should Business Week, of all publications, care if a religion flush with cash manages to find ways to legally use it without being liable for taxes on said use? Why does it matter if it is a Polynesian amusement park? Disney et al are happy to wrest tax concessions when they can get them. I don’teven hold it against Rush Limbaugh that he likes investing in tax free munis. Hey Business Week, it is going back into the economy. It’s all good. Except Burger King, that has gone way downhill since the decession hit.


23 posted on 07/16/2012 3:40:20 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney have the mother of all Macaca moments)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
Southern Baptist have run for POTUS and some have actually won. There were more attacks from people on Free Republic than the Media.
24 posted on 07/16/2012 4:52:16 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
I suspect when a Southern Baptist runs for president, then we’ll see attacks on the Southern Baptist Convention.

At its core the Democrat party is atheist, and so it doesn't matter what religion a GOP candidate practices. That religion is going to take a beating from the Democrats and their "mainstream" newsrooms.

25 posted on 07/16/2012 7:46:48 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
1) Why are you subscribed to this trash?

2) Bloomberg is a statist, fascist elitist bastard in the mold of Mussolini. Of course he wants Obama back in.

26 posted on 07/16/2012 7:49:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Borg Zombies walk around groaning "Commmppuutteerrrrssss......Commmppuutteerrrrssss......")
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To: Dr. Sivana
...but it is also to me offensive because it is using an image of Our Lord to make fun of Mormons.

I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be Jesus, or Joseph Smith.

27 posted on 07/16/2012 7:50:40 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lazamataz

see post 6

I agree with your sentiments. I do not read this garbage magazine.


28 posted on 07/16/2012 7:52:38 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: dixiechick2000

Really?
You don’t know anything about mormonism apparently.
Not one person has said they can not practice their religion - no one.
The exposure of mormonism is painful for them because who they really are is being laid bare.


29 posted on 07/16/2012 10:12:19 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Name one person who has said they hate mormons, just one.
You make the claim, prove it.
Just for your edification mormonISM exposure is what is at hand, maybe you should learn about it before you defend it.
In the process you will find out what mormonISM teaches about Catholics.


30 posted on 07/16/2012 10:17:02 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Dr. Sivana

mormonISM is not pro-life. There maybe some mormons who are, the foundation is not.


31 posted on 07/16/2012 10:19:51 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Lancey Howard
The cover is stupid. There are very legitimate issues for people to take with the LDS. This not the approach to use.
32 posted on 07/16/2012 11:00:57 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Lancey Howard

>>>> “ At its core the Democrat party is atheist, and so it doesn’t matter what religion a GOP candidate practices. That religion is going to take a beating from the Democrats and their “mainstream” newsrooms. “ <<<<<

First they came for the Catholics, then they came for the Mormons, and then......(we know the rest)... and that it certainly applies here.

Having said that, we outsiders do not know exactly what the Mormon faith believes higher up in the ranks, except that Jesus is not the Christ, but a nice guy, a prophet of some kind, and that Joseph Smith is the man.

This “kalob” thing was bound to bring out the media sooner or later, even if for laughs, and the wealth seeking angle as a godly mission to advance the religion seems to serve as the start. They will get to the funny, ridicule worthy stuff later.

But, Lancey, I agree, leave them alone. America has never been about suppression. I mean look at us, we moan about anything and stop nothing. See example: Muslim mosques going up everywhere, cities and small bergs, with their stated goal at attracting Americans and taking over whole nations by force, or by patient proselytizing.

Evil is now good and good is evil, and the rest of us are confused. The Enemy is at work.


33 posted on 07/16/2012 11:02:21 AM PDT by RitaOK (NO ROMNEY, NO COMPROMISE. NO WAY. NO HOW. NOT NOW. NOT EVER.)
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To: Dr. Sivana; Lancey Howard

...but it is also to me offensive because it is using an image of Our Lord to make fun of Mormons.


How do you know it is Jesus, and not John the Baptist or the Angel Moroni?

In case you didn’t know, John the Baptist himself appeared to both Joseph and Oliver Cowdery. IMHO that is the two people kneeling. John the Baptist himself gave them the keys to the priesthood that is critical to get to the highest “Level III” of heaven. No one else gets there except Mormons.


34 posted on 07/16/2012 11:30:01 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: freedomlover
How do you know it is Jesus, and not John the Baptist or the Angel Moroni?

Well, his head is still attached.

Let me put it this way, given the setting, the holy glow, and even the white garment, the resemblence is strikingly similar to how Our Lord has been historically rendered in art. I have no idea how the (fallen?) angel Moroni is presented.
35 posted on 07/16/2012 12:33:07 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney have the mother of all Macaca moments)
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To: Lancey Howard

“I, too, am disturbed by a “business” publication going after, in rather brutal fashion, the religion of a candidate for President. “

Actually, since the mormon church is about business - shopping malls, Hawaiian resorts, etc. - and Mitt is a businessman running for Pres., it makes perfect sense.


36 posted on 07/16/2012 12:43:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: Hildy
Cancel your subscription and tell them why.

Buy 10 gift subscriptions and tell them why!

37 posted on 07/16/2012 1:22:54 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dixiechick2000
A little HISTORY lesson for those not in the know:



Corporation of the President

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,

STATE OF UTAH

COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

I, the undersigned, having been duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in conformity with the rites, regulations and discipline of said Church, being desirous of forming a corporation for the purpose of acquiring, holding and disposing of Church or religious society property, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship, under and pursuant to the provisions of Chapter 3, Title 19, of the Compiled Laws of Utah, 1917, on "Churches and Religious Societies," and all acts amendatory thereof and supplementary thereto, for that purpose do hereby make and subscribe, in duplicate, the following

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these Articles of Incorporation is "PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS."

Fifth: The corporation seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.

[Seal] [Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.

STATE OF UTAH
SS:
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

On this 26th day of November, 1923, before me, Arthur Winter, a Notary Public in and for said County, personally appeared HEBER J. GRANT, who is known to me to be the person whose name is subscribed to the foregoing instrument as President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, and duly acknowledged to me that he executed the same as such President.

[Seal] [Signed] Arthur Winter
Notary Public
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah.
My commission expires Dec. 1, 1923.


AMENDMENT TO

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

 

 

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
STATE OF UTAH ss.
COUNTY OF SALT LAKE

HEBER J. GRANT, being first duly sworn, deposes and says:

That he is now and for more than twenty years last past has been the duly chosen and appointed President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and as such President has been since on or about the 26th day of November, 1923, and now is, the legally constituted Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter=day Saints, a corporation sole; that under and pursuant to Section 18-7-5 R.S.U. 1933 he hereby amends Article "Fourth" of said Articles of Incorporation as now of record in the proper offices of this and other states, said article as amended to read as follows:

ARTICLE FOURTH

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

[Signed] Heber J. Grant
President of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints,
corporation sole.
[Seal]

Subscribed and sworn to before me this 18 day of June, 1940.
[the name of Notary Public not shown on copy of amendment]

(Original in State of Utah Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah)


ARTICLES OF AMENDMENT
TO THE

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION
of the
CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.


A UTAH CORPORATION SOLE

Pursuant to the provisions of Section 16-7-5 of the Utah Code Annotated 1953 (as amended) relating to amendments of articles of incorporation of corporations sole, the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole, does hereby amend its Articles of Incorporation by adding an additional Paragraph V thereto as follows:

Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tax-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned has caused these presents to be executed this 19th day of November, 1973.

CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE
CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY
SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole

By: [signed] Harold B. Lee
Harold B. Lee, Corporation Sole

STATE OF UTAH ) ss:
County of Salt Lake )

HAROLD B. LEE, being first duly sworn, deposes and says: That he is now and ever since July 7, 1972, has been the duly chosen and appointed President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and, as such president, is now and ever since said date has been the legally constituted CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS, a Utah Corporation Sole; that the original Articles of Incorporation of said Corporation Sole were executed by Heber J. Grant, President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints; that he, Harold B. Lee, is the successor in office to the said Heber J. Grant; that he, Harold B. Lee, executed the foregoing Articles of Amendment as said Corporation Sole.

[signed] Harold B. Lee

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN to before me this 19th day of November, 1973.

[signed] Wilford W Kirton, Jr
NOTARY PUBLIC
Residing at Salt Lake City, Utah
My commission expires:
2-3-77


Articles of Incorporation as amended:

ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION

First: The name of this corporation shall be the CORPORATION OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS.

Second: The object of this corporation shall be to acquire, hold and dispose of such real and personal property as may be conveyed to or acquired by said corporation for the benefit of the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, a religious society, for the benefit of religion, for works of charity and for public worship. Such real and personal property may be situated, either within the State of Utah, or elsewhere, and this corporation shall have power, without any authority or authorization from the members of said Church or religious society, to grant, sell, convey, rent, mortgage, exchange, or otherwise dispose of any part or all of such property.

Third: The estimated value of the property of which I hold the legal title for the purpose aforesaid, at the time of making these Articles of Incorporation, is One Million, Five Hundred Thousand Dollars.

Fourth: The title of the person making these articles of incorporation is "President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." He and his successor in office shall be deemed and are hereby created a body politic and corporation sole with perpetual succession, having all the powers and rights and authority in these articles specified or provided for by law. But in the event of death or resignation from office of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or in the event of a vacancy in that office from any cause, the President or Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of said Church, or one of the members of said Quorum thereunto designated by that Quorum, shall, pending the installation of a successor President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, be the corporation sole under these articles, and the laws pursuant to which they are made, and shall be and is authorized in his official capacity to execute in the name of the corporation all documents or other writings necessary to the carrying on of its purposes, business and objects, and to do all things in the name of the corporation which the original signer of the articles of incorporation might do; it being the purpose of these articles that there shall be no failure in succession in the office of such corporation sole.

Fifth: Upon the winding up and dissolution of this corporation, after paying or adequately providing for the debts and obligations of the corporation, the remaining assets shall be distributed to a nonprofit fund, foundation or corporation, which is organized and operated exclusively for charitable, educational, or religious and/or scientific purposes and which has established its tex-exempt status under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code.

Sixth: The corporate seal shall contain the words, "Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints," and an impression thereof is hereto affixed.


38 posted on 07/16/2012 1:24:39 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Lancey Howard
I, too, am disturbed by a “business” publication going after, in rather brutal fashion, the religion of a candidate for President.

Quick!!

Be the FIRST ROMNEY supporter (I mean ABO person) to post about all the businesses that ISLAM runs!

39 posted on 07/16/2012 1:29:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: DaveTesla
That said, that cover is disgraceful.

Why is it?

Do you not realize that MORMONs really wait on their god to tell them what to do??

Usually through what their Living Prophet® says??




In conclusion let us summarize this grand key, these “Fourteen Fundamentals in Following the Prophet”, for our salvation depends on them.


1. The prophet is the only man who speaks for the Lord in everything.
2. The living prophet is more vital to us than the standard works.
3. The living prophet is more important to us than a dead prophet.
4. The prophet will never lead the church astray.
5. The prophet is not required to have any particular earthly training or credentials to speak on any subject or act on any matter at any time.
6. The prophet does not have to say “Thus Saith the Lord,” to give us scripture.
7. The prophet tells us what we need to know, not always what we want to know.
8. The prophet is not limited by men’s reasoning.
9. The prophet can receive revelation on any matter, temporal or spiritual.
10. The prophet may advise on civic matters.
11. The two groups who have the greatest difficulty in following the prophet are the proud who are learned and the proud who are rich.
12. The prophet will not necessarily be popular with the world or the worldly.
13. The prophet and his counselors make up the First Presidency—the highest quorum in the Church.
14. The prophet and the presidency—the living prophet and the First Presidency—follow them and be blessed—reject them and suffer.

I testify that these fourteen fundamentals in following the living prophet are true. If we want to know how well we stand with the Lord then let us ask ourselves how well we stand with His mortal captain—how close do our lives harmonize with the Lord’s anointed—the living Prophet—President of the Church, and with the Quorum of the First Presidency.

Ezra Taft Benson

(Address given Tuesday, February 26, 1980 at Brigham Young University)     http://www.lds.org/liahona/1981/06/fourteen-fundamentals-in-following-the-prophet?lang=eng

40 posted on 07/16/2012 1:32:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ronin
Attacking Mitt through the Mormon Church is an obvious play and they can be expected to use it to the hilt.

Attacking BARAK through Jeremiah Wright's church is an obvious play and they can be expected to use it to the hilt.

41 posted on 07/16/2012 1:34:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: dsrtsage
As I said I do not follow any religion, but I take offense at blatant attacks on somebody else’s beliefs.

Then it looks like YOU have your work cut out to do!!!



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

42 posted on 07/16/2012 1:36:45 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: sf4dubya
Disgusting.

It looks like the FR Mormons have their phasers turned to Full Umbrage Mode.

43 posted on 07/16/2012 1:37:59 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: bruinbirdman

That New Yorker piece didn’t slam Islam or the Obamas, it slammed Republicans who accused them of being radicals.


44 posted on 07/16/2012 1:39:18 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper
The media is feeding off the public perceptions actual facts of the Mormon Church and it’s practices, it’s reach, and it’s wealth and they’re attacking Romney and Christians in the process.

Sorry; but it ain't bothering THIS christian in the least!

45 posted on 07/16/2012 1:39:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Lancey Howard
I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be Jesus, or Joseph Smith.

I can see how that might be a bit confusing:

 

"He (Joseph Smith) is the man through whom God has spoken... yet I would not like to call him a savior, though in a certain capacity he was a god to us, and is to the nations of the earth, and will continue to be."
 - Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:321
 
 
"You call us fools; but the day will be, gentlemen and ladies, whether you belong to this Church or not, when you will prize brother Joseph Smith as the Prophet of the Living God, and look upon him as a god..."
- Herber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 5:88
 
 
"If we get our salvation, we shall have to pass by him [Joseph Smith]; if we enter our glory, it will be through the authority he has received. We cannot get around him [Joseph Smith]"
- (as quoted in 1988 Melchizedek Priesthood Study Guide, p. 142)
 
 
There is "no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. If Joseph Smith was verily a prophet, and if he told the truth...no man can reject that testimony without incurring the most dreadful consequences, for he cannot enter the kingdom of God"
- Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p.190
 
 
"I tell you, Joseph holds the keys, and none of us can get into the celestial kingdom without passing by him. We have not got rid of him, but he stands there as the sentinel, holding the keys of the kingdom of God; and there are many of them beside him. I tell you, if we get past those who have mingled with us, and know us best, and have a right to know us best, probably we can pass all other sentinels as far as it is necessary, or as far as we may desire. But I tell you, the pinch will be with those that have mingled with us, stood next to us, weighed our spirits, tried us, and proven us: there will be a pinch, in my view, to get past them. The others, perhaps, will say, If brother Joseph is satisfied with you, you may pass. If it is all right with him, it is all right with me. Then if Joseph shall say to a man, or if brother Brigham say to a man, I forgive you your sins, "Whosoever sins ye remit they are remitted unto them;" if you who have suffered and felt the weight of transgression—if you have generosity enough to forgive the sinner, I will forgive him: you cannot have more generosity than I have. I have given you power to forgive sins, and when the Lord gives a gift, he does not take it back again."
 - Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p.154-155
 
 
 
"It is because the Lord called Joseph Smith that salvation is again available to mortal men.... If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation,"
 - Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 396, 670
 


They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.
He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.
He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.
As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.
Who has made this so?
Have I?
Have this people?
Have the world?
No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.
If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.
If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.
Can you pass without his inspection?
No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.
In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.
They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?
They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
 Brigham Young,

--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224


46 posted on 07/16/2012 1:41:48 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Lancey Howard
I wasn't sure if that was supposed to be Jesus, or Joseph Smith.

I can see how that might be a bit confusing:


47 posted on 07/16/2012 1:43:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: freedomlover
No one else gets there except Mormons.

and only about 15% of them!!!


 

Temple Recommend Questions



1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do you keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other obligations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

48 posted on 07/16/2012 1:46:00 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: All
I think it's pretty obvious that a business magazine is more aware of the business interests of the mormon church than a few posters on an internet forum whose agenda seems to be to defend Romney and his sect.

This is a list of the top leaders of the mormon church. Note that only ONE of them has a Theological education. The education of the rest of them leans mainly to law or business.

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Council on the Disposition of the Tithes

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Council on the Disposition of the Tithes (also known as the Council on the Disposition of Tithing) is a leadership body in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, composed of the First Presidency, the Presiding Bishopric, and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. The Council determines how the tithing funds of the church will be spent. The Council oversees revenue, investments and expenditures valued at billions of dollars per year.

While the Church employs an independent auditing department which provides an annual report to the Church[1], it has not published full financial reports since 1959.

The Council was established by church founder Joseph Smith, Jr. on 8 July 1838.[2] As of April 2009, the members of the Council are:


49 posted on 07/16/2012 1:57:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Jim Robinson re Romney: "He’s a cartoonish fraud. A caricature in progress." Dittos)
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To: Elsie
Attacking BARAK through Jeremiah Wright's church is an obvious play and they can be expected to use it to the hilt.

Oh they should. But they won't. The Socialists running the media will downplay, ignore and quickly forget anything that detracts from the grandeur of "THE WON".

50 posted on 07/16/2012 2:00:50 PM PDT by Ronin (Dumb, dependent and Democrat is no way to go through life - Rep. L. Gohmert, Tex)
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