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The Dark Knight Rises might be spectacular to look at... but it's humourless and too long
UK Daily Mail ^ | July 16, 2012 | Chris Tookey

Posted on 07/16/2012 12:29:24 PM PDT by C19fan

Director Christopher Nolan has done an intelligent job of assembling a blockbuster finale that brings back a few previous supervillains and makes a neat, emotionally satisfying conclusion to the trilogy of Batman films he has directed. He also has the courage to grapple, however superficially, with two big themes - the fear of terrorism and economic collapse. .......................................................

The bad news is that it lasts two hours 45 minutes, which is astonishingly bloated – and unforgivable in a film that spends a long, ponderous hour getting started.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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Sounds like another "can't miss" movie does not deliver, Prometheus being the first.
1 posted on 07/16/2012 12:29:31 PM PDT by C19fan
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Prometheus may be the biggest flop of the year. It is soaked with incoherence and stupidity. Where to start?


2 posted on 07/16/2012 12:32:25 PM PDT by pabianice
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96% ‘fresh’ at Rotten Tomatoes...guess SOMEONE had to p*ss on it...might as well be a Brit.


3 posted on 07/16/2012 12:32:38 PM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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I'm a big fan of the franchise, but from what I've seen from trailers so far, I'm prepared to be mightily disappointed.

I have heard that they adjusted sound levels but, at least initially, my sense was that the villain (Bane) -- who wears a breathing apparatus -- basically delivered his lines in a sort of "mffphh gwarghh bwehhjj nsssdwernm lmnubdw" kind of way.

4 posted on 07/16/2012 12:33:50 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Roger Taney? Not a bad Chief Justice. John Roberts? A really awful Chief Justice.)
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Well, if his main complaint is length, that is a positive for me. I LIKE long movies, if they use the time well, that is.


5 posted on 07/16/2012 12:37:20 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: pabianice

On a side note, has anyone seen Red Tails. I own the original HBO movie, and though it’s ok, it comes off a bit like a TV movie and superficial. I saw previews to RT and it “looked” amazing. But then, so do the last Star Wars movies in trailers.


6 posted on 07/16/2012 12:38:44 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: who knows what evil?

96% ‘fresh’ at Rotten Tomatoes...guess SOMEONE had to p*ss on it...might as well be a Brit.


I won’t hold my breath waiting for the next Brit blockbuster to come out. The hapless Brits and other Europeans are consuming U.S. TV and film voraciously, while continuing to criticize American life. They also complain about how much more an iphone costs over there. Well, produce something then, you statist scum! Go back to your little bungalow, turn on Dancing With The Stars, and shut up!


7 posted on 07/16/2012 12:39:41 PM PDT by KingOfVagabonds
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To: C19fan

John Carter has already hit Comcast’s On Demand.


8 posted on 07/16/2012 12:40:08 PM PDT by AU72
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To: C19fan

Dark Knight was too long also, but it was packed with action and suspense.


9 posted on 07/16/2012 12:45:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: C19fan

The Joker made the original...this one,like most sequels,will be trash.


10 posted on 07/16/2012 12:46:47 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President Of My Lifetime)
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To: cuban leaf
Well, if his main complaint is length, that is a positive for me. I LIKE long movies, if they use the time well, that is.

Well,there's "Schindler's List" and then there's "Waterworld".

11 posted on 07/16/2012 12:49:09 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President Of My Lifetime)
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To: C19fan

Another Batman flick? Just my two cents but I’m old enough to have seen Ben-Hur during its theatrical release and movies based on comic books, video games or Disneyland rides don’t do a lot for me. No offense to those who enjoy them.


12 posted on 07/16/2012 12:50:08 PM PDT by dainbramaged (If you want a friend, get a dog.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
The Joker made the original...this one,like most sequels,will be trash.

The Joker was in the second one. Batman Begins was the first one. The new one is the third movie.

13 posted on 07/16/2012 12:52:20 PM PDT by Conservative_Jedi (Give me Liberty or give me Death!!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I enjoyed Waterworld and The postman. They are stupid, but in a fun way. Or are they fun in a stupid way? One or the other - or maybe both...

The only “high profile” movie that I ever saw that was just too bad to watch, even for me, was “Ishtar”. Fortunately the damage done attempting to claw my own eyes out was only temporary.


14 posted on 07/16/2012 1:00:31 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

“Whites bad. Blacks good and can fly gooder.”


15 posted on 07/16/2012 1:01:27 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (OWS = The Great American Snivel War)
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“Whites bad. Blacks good and can fly gooder.”

...starring Gooding.

:-)


16 posted on 07/16/2012 1:05:04 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: C19fan

Batman (again) Spiderman (really/ from the beginning again??) Total Recall

Is holly wood just going to keep re-doing old movies now?

Casablanca hasn’t been done again yet


17 posted on 07/16/2012 1:06:53 PM PDT by Mr. K (OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED ROMNEY/GINGRICH)
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To: ClearCase_guy

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18 posted on 07/16/2012 1:13:12 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: cuban leaf

I saw it-—ok, but somewhat predictable-—the “maverick” who has to be brought into the fold, the racist whites who come to see how valuable the black pilots are. Someone made the point that any movie that doesn’t show smoking should be discounted immediately. But I did like the shots of the Me-362s.


19 posted on 07/16/2012 1:15:28 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: LS

you mean 262’s. ;-)

Yeah, I’m a fanatic on world war II aircraft and it’s one of the reasons I wanted to get this movie. However, I learned from the last star wars movies that great special effects are not enough to make a movie enjoyable for more than one viewing. Eye candy is nice, but I need a good story told well. Looks like if I buy this one I nee...Heck with it. I’ll rent it on BlueRay at Redbox for $1.50.


20 posted on 07/16/2012 1:19:21 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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Yes, I’ve seen Red Tails. Im also a big WWII and military aviation buff. It unnecessarily simplified and trivializes the story of the Tuskeegee Airmen and perpetuates a lot of myths and stereotypes. The location shooting is excellent but the CGI is mediocre, the P-51 was simply incapable of F-22 style maneuvering and supersonic flight, as Lucas’ FX would make it seem.

I cringed repeatedly throughout it. The 7 year old sitting next to me LOVED it . But the kid probably loved Jar Jar too.

The HBO movie, albiet with lower production values, is magnitudes better.


21 posted on 07/16/2012 1:20:38 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: cuban leaf

Yes, sorry, can’t type. I do know the airplane. BTW, saw “Hunger Games” and thought it was very good. Pretty conservative theme, actually: government is oppressive, individuality is stifled.


22 posted on 07/16/2012 1:21:34 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: C19fan

Tell this Brit that, at $15 bucks a ticket, I want my money’s worth.

The longer the movie, the better.


23 posted on 07/16/2012 1:25:08 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: AU72

What is John Carter?


24 posted on 07/16/2012 1:30:16 PM PDT by Mr. K (OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED ROMNEY/GINGRICH)
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To: C19fan

Hugely turned off by the preview showing Catwoman (Selena Kyle) as some kind of idiotic “99 percent-er” lecturing Bruce Wayne about class and money. Idiotic. Selena Kyle wanted to make money even if she had to steal it (albeit with style). She wasn’t a hippie.


25 posted on 07/16/2012 1:31:37 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: Mr. K

I haven’t read the Burrough’s books, but (as you probably know) John Carter was supposed to be a real man’s man. Yet the casting and marketing of the FILM made it look like a workout video for abs of steel or something. Pass.


26 posted on 07/16/2012 1:36:48 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: C19fan

A Brit says it is humourless. Sounds like it must be a thrilling comedy!


27 posted on 07/16/2012 1:46:33 PM PDT by ari-freedom
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To: Mr. K

[ What is John Carter? ]

Who is John Galt?


28 posted on 07/16/2012 1:47:05 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mr. K
Casablanca hasn’t been done again yet

Well, there was the five-episode miniseries starring *shudder* David Soul in 1983.

29 posted on 07/16/2012 2:30:24 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: C19fan

The latest production to emerge from good ol’ Hollywood on the Monongahela here.


30 posted on 07/16/2012 2:35:58 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: cuban leaf

I personally think almost every movie would be improved if cut to less than 120 minutes, preferably 90. I can only think of a handful of movies that truly deserve to be longer than two hours ... Lawrence of Arabia, for one.


31 posted on 07/16/2012 2:38:04 PM PDT by oilwatcher
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To: pabianice
Where to start?

You start here, of course.

32 posted on 07/16/2012 2:58:31 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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What is John Carter?

The movie bomb released this summer that cost the Disney CEO his job.

33 posted on 07/16/2012 3:09:28 PM PDT by AU72
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To: C19fan

As soon as I see someone say a movie is too long I know that reviewer is into FX not plot. 2 and 45 minutes didn’t used to be a long movie, it used to be just a movie. But summer blockbusters went on a shrinking rampage in the late 80s through the 90s until 1 30 became the “norm”, some movies even dropping to 1 20. Movies are getting long again to compete, actually trying to give people $10 of entertainment, and they’re growing this by putting plot, characterization and setting back. Go back and the original summer blockbuster, Jaws, there’s a good 45 minutes worth of movie that only tells you about the people and the situation, including of course Quint’s speech about delivering the bomb. But of course there’s a generation of reviewer that grew up on hour and a half block busters that see those scenes as “things that happen between explosions”, which is sad for them.


34 posted on 07/16/2012 3:17:55 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: pogo101

Selena is a tool used by the League of Shadows. Remember, in Batman Begins, they wanted to use economics to destory Gotham but it didn’t work before so they resorted to terror.

Now they have to get rid of Batman and are using the 99% crap as another economic tool and an excuse to create violence.

Nolan has been good in using current topics as plot background. The Dark Knight was loosely based on the war on terror.


35 posted on 07/16/2012 3:23:04 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Mr. K

Casablanca hasn’t been done on the big screen again. But there have been 2 attempts to turn it into a TV show and 3 tries at a musical only one of which hit the stage. Of course even all the way back then Hollywood loved remakes, just the year before Casablanca Bogie was in the 3rd movie made in 10 years from the novel Maltese Falcon. Given how expensive movies are to produce Hollywood has always preferred things with a known audience, so they do books, and plays, and remakes, pretty much from day 1.


36 posted on 07/16/2012 3:24:42 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: C19fan
Batman is supposed to be humorless ...

And we all know whose fault that is ...

(And whose fault it is that Batman has to wear a hard girdle-like costume now.)

37 posted on 07/16/2012 3:27:38 PM PDT by x
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Humorless and too long...sounds like life under a second Obama term.


38 posted on 07/16/2012 3:55:31 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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The bad news is that it lasts two hours 45 minutes, which is astonishingly bloated – and unforgivable in a film that spends a long, ponderous hour getting started.

Hm. So, in other words, it's more or less like Nolan's two other Batman movies, which both managed not to suck, despite starting slowly before building momentum.

Personally, I'm disappointed he killed off Harvey Dent in the last film. He made for an interesting character, and could have been the principal villain in the third.

39 posted on 07/16/2012 4:18:12 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: discostu

‘Humorless and too long’ sounds like a good description of Nolan’s films in general. Especially the self important Batman films he’s made. They’re tricked out with as much cheap cynicism as he can muster to convince the 15 year olds in the audience that they’re watching something serious.


40 posted on 07/16/2012 8:54:15 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

I like the Nolan Batman movies. I don’t know if they’re “important” or “serious” but they revolve around the aspect of Batman I’ve always found most interesting, the fact that he’s stark raving mad. All the best Batman stories in the comics have always had that as their focus, but nobody really tried it in the movies until Nolan came along.


41 posted on 07/17/2012 9:22:43 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

I knew that about Batman going in...read The Dark Knight graphic novel when it came out. I just don’t think Nolan is a very good writer and doesn’t film action scenes very well. Inception was very difficult to sit through (especially that endless sub-James Bond ‘assault on the fortress’ sequence at the end).


42 posted on 07/17/2012 10:20:34 AM PDT by Borges
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It’s not about knowing that, it’s about building the story around it. Previous Batman movies at most acknowledge that he’s not terribly sane, but that’s the source of the dramatic tension in the Nolan movies, just like it is in Dark Night and Killing Joke. I like Nolan in general, I like the structure of his movies, they’re abnormal and interesting, I like the fact that he doesn’t over explain, and sometimes doesn’t explain at all, just trusts us to figure it out. I didn’t have any problem with Inception, and I like the way the fortress assault went.


43 posted on 07/17/2012 10:32:23 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

Doesn’t explain? Inception was filled with dull exposition regarding Nolan’s constantly changing ‘rules’. The assault on the fortress wasn’t anything we hadn’t seen in many other films. ‘The Prestige’ is the one Nolan film I sort of like.


44 posted on 07/17/2012 2:00:15 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

The assault on the fortress wasn’t supposed to be new, it was supposed to build off a person’s natural expectations, which for most folks in this day and age for something like that come from Bond movies. I didn’t hear any dull exposition, that was in your head, for the rest of us it was laying out a basic and wide open landscape to be worked in, and laying the seeds that the whole thing could already be in one of those landscapes. Prestige is my second favorite of his, Memento is my favorite. Prestige though is an important one to watch to understand his movies, because he has Michael Caine actually explain his theory of story telling.


45 posted on 07/17/2012 2:21:13 PM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

Inception was terrible. One dimensional ciphers posing as characters mouthing flat, colorless dialogue that served only to deliver plot points (a plot that delivers on no siginificant issues or themes - DiCaprio mourning his wife was ‘backstory’ at its most rudimentary). The scenes between Leo and his wife are genuinely awful - utter camp.

‘The Dark Knight’ with its predictably broad and cliched themes of the ‘thin line between Law and Chaos’ and the ‘Flawed Hero’ is also decked out with cardboard characters who have nothing interesting to say or do. Ledger’s Joker was more of a showboating conceit than a character. In other news, Nolan doesn’t stage action scenes very well.

Otherwise I have no issues with the man.


46 posted on 07/17/2012 3:46:43 PM PDT by Borges
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To: discostu
As for Inception's originality...
47 posted on 07/17/2012 3:51:01 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Inception was awesome. An interesting concept done well. Sorry you couldn’t handle it, but that’s a viewer problem, not a story problem.

As for the Donald Duck cartoon, I refer to one of the best South Park’s ever, everything has been done before.

The real news here is that Nolan gets (and deserves) more praise than Spielberg because his movies are more entertaining and don’t all have to have a pathetic happy ending glued on them. And that bugs you because you slurp Spielberg too much. And it’s probably a big part of why I like Nolan. None of what annoys me about Spielberg shows up in Nolan films, he’s not hackneyed, he’s not addicted to inappropriate happy endings, and he doesn’t talk down to the audience.


48 posted on 07/18/2012 8:53:20 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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To: discostu

Inception was one of the most miserable experiences I’ve had in a movie theater in recent years. I couldn’t wait for it to end. Did you really think the scenes with Leo and his wife were anything but utter sentimental rubbish? Just like the interpolated black and white scenes in Memento which were much more sentimental than anything in most Spielberg films. And again that final siege sequence was the most generic action movie schlock imaginable (just like the Chop-Socky stuff in ‘Batman Begins’). Spielberg and Cameron know how to film action sequences...Nolan doesn’t.


49 posted on 07/18/2012 9:45:50 AM PDT by Borges
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That’s too bad for you. For me it was one of the most interesting movies I’ve seen in the regular/ non-arthouse theater. The scenes with Leo and his wife were building the possibility that the entire movie was happening in dream land. The black and white scenes in Memento weren’t about sentimentality, they were establishing the possibility that Leonard might actually be the guy he’s talking about. Yes the final siege was generic action movie, which is exactly what you would do if you were constructing people’s dreams and needed to give them an assault on the modern fortress guess what it would look like, there’s a reason that ides shows up in every 3rd spy movie, it’s kind of exciting and it works.

Nolan’s not an action movie director. Which is fine, he’s a story teller that sometimes needs a bit of action it happens. In the long run though I prefer story directors that are so-so at action to action directors failing miserably to tell stories like John Woo.


50 posted on 07/18/2012 10:02:27 AM PDT by discostu (Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends.)
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