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300 000 year old flint tools found in Northern France
Past Horizons ^ | Monday, July 16, 2012 | Source: INRAP

Posted on 07/17/2012 8:15:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

The deposits at Etricourt Manancourt in the Picardie region of France documents the history of early European settlements, revealing at least five prehistoric levels, ranging between 300,000 and 80,000 years old...

Archaeologists from Inrap looked at 17 hectares in 2010, which revealed a Palaeolithic level and more evidence was found in 2012, when 3,200 square metres were excavated over 4 month period.

The most recent occupation comes from the Middle Paleolithic (80,000 years old) and belongs to the Neanderthals. Twenty sites of this period are already known in northern France.

The next two levels are also Neanderthal and belong to the early phase of the Middle Paleolithic during an interglacial period -- the Saalian -- between 190,000 and 240,000 years old. The discoveries of sites from this period are rare and, in the north of France, only excavations in 1999 (around Beauvais) and Biache St. Vaast in 1976 (Pas-de-Calais) have produced such well preserved contemporary deposits...

Seven metres deep, the excavation revealed three major climatic cycles through successive glacial and interglacial periods (the Holsteinian the Saalian and Weichselian).

The contents of the 300,000 year layer are perfectly preserved in moist soil conditions and has produced so far several hundred flints including the biface...

The organic remains (bones and wood) have unfortunately not been preserved due to soil acidity. However, the distribution of remains and lithic studies will provide key elements to reconstruct the behaviour and lifestyle of these early Europeans.

(Excerpt) Read more at pasthorizonspr.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: france; godsgravesglyphs; homoheidelbergensis; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals; palaeolithic
...the oldest level is exceptional. Dated to at least 300 000 years, it belongs to the Palaeolithic, Acheulian culture. The flint tools found at this level were shaped either by the last Homo heidelbergensis or by early Neanderthals.

...the oldest level is exceptional. Dated to at least 300 000 years, it belongs to the Palaeolithic, Acheulian culture. The flint tools found at this level were shaped either by the last Homo heidelbergensis or by early Neanderthals.

1 posted on 07/17/2012 8:15:29 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Incredible to think that hand axe is 300,000 years old!


2 posted on 07/17/2012 8:21:03 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Acheulian sounds a little like someone sneezing.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 07/17/2012 8:21:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv

Nice they stretch to the alpha as we approach omega. But I guess what goes around...


4 posted on 07/17/2012 8:23:11 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM OBIWAN IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: SunkenCiv

Why not 299,980 years 8 months?. .. I suspect counting time in this way is suspect..

I don’t believe it.. Its like a show, an act, a performance..
A story a Yarn... made up to inspire the non creative mind..


5 posted on 07/17/2012 8:24:13 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

They are not mentioning white flag.


6 posted on 07/17/2012 8:26:42 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Talk about survival skills try to survive and hunt in the woods with just a sharp rock. Makes most survivalists look like wimps. Lions, tigers, wolves and bears all around and the closest gun is roughly 300,000 years away.


7 posted on 07/17/2012 8:39:42 PM PDT by dog breath
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What’s so cool about that?...North Americans had tools like that 300 years ago


8 posted on 07/17/2012 8:45:56 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: SunkenCiv

Good find. Thanks!


9 posted on 07/17/2012 9:00:17 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SunkenCiv

Considering this was France, did they also find a 300,000 year old white flag?


10 posted on 07/17/2012 9:21:17 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Principles aren't worth a bucket of warm spit. I'm voting Romney. God help me.)
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To: LaybackLenny

did they also find a 300,000 year old white flag?


The axe was wrapped up in one.


11 posted on 07/17/2012 9:27:50 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC

If it’s a Craftsman™ and you take into any Sears...


12 posted on 07/17/2012 11:08:47 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: SunkenCiv

i bet the cheese smelled just as bad back then


13 posted on 07/18/2012 1:25:26 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: SunkenCiv

Was that tool used for digging for truffles?


14 posted on 07/18/2012 1:39:10 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: sten
It depends, on how you cut it
15 posted on 07/18/2012 2:02:26 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Inyo-Mono

“...that hand axe is 300,000 years old!”

If it’s verified to be that old then how “prehistoric” can it be?


16 posted on 07/18/2012 3:21:45 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I question the dating on some of these finds. Even anchient man knew that the heat treating of flint changed it’s fracturing characteristicts. Those of us that flint knap quite often heat treat lower grades of flint, a process that takes days to do. Some us kilns, ovens and my favorite for Texas flints a turkey roaster. You start off at lower heats and bring it up gradualy over a couple of days. Heating up to fast cayse the moisture in the stone to expand faster than it can escape and shatter the stone. Anchient man used a simple method of digging a hole and laying the bifaces ofr pieces of flint at the bottom, covering with an inch or two of dirt and then build a fire on top of it. While not as effective as newer methods it still works pretty well.
I’ve dug out several firepits here on the ranch and it’s not uncommon to find larger peices of flint and bifaces layered at the bottom, some as far down as a foot or more. It’s that foot or more that leads to my questioning the dates.


17 posted on 07/18/2012 5:09:17 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: equaviator
If it’s verified to be that old then how “prehistoric” can it be?

Extremely prehistoric.

18 posted on 07/18/2012 6:49:32 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Inyo-Mono

If human beings were indeed making and using hand tools 300,000 years ago then I think it’s fair to say that the historic timeline of hand tools goes that far back. Therefore, the term “prehistoric” is not necessarily applicable and since we are talking about beings who developed tool design, fabrication and usage skills then we must also be talking about a historic timeline of people that also goes that far back.

Anything unmeasureable before the Big Bang could be thought of as being prehistoric. But what if there WAS something measureable before the Big Bang?


19 posted on 07/18/2012 9:42:41 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I bet they didn’t find deodorant. Or soap.


20 posted on 07/18/2012 9:47:12 AM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: equaviator
equaviator: "If human beings were indeed making and using hand tools 300,000 years ago then I think it’s fair to say that the historic timeline of hand tools goes that far back."

By normal definition of the word "history", it began when people themselves began writing, circa 3,200 BC.
Everything before that is classified as "pre-historic".

"Pre-historic" doesn't mean we know nothing about those folks, just that we have no written records which they themselves left.

21 posted on 07/18/2012 2:41:56 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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To: SunkenCiv
Every time the ice retreats humans occupy that fertile European land. And inevitably we are pushed back when the ice returns.

But, of course, the geniuses at AGW Central have discovered CO2 is the magic bullet that can turn off the glacial cycle! Not!

22 posted on 07/18/2012 5:20:16 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: dsrtsage

Great point. Do you have a link/source for your tagline?


23 posted on 07/20/2012 2:53:16 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: BroJoeK

So then the difference is between what had been recorded at the time and evidence being discovered and recorded now. I think it all counts as history, whether it be Nostradamus’ Quatraines, cave paintings, distant supernovae or the fossilized remains of some previously undiscovered ancient species.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 5:21:56 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: equaviator
equaviator: "I think it all counts as history..."

Counts for what?
If you wish to count everything as "history" and effectively eliminate the concept of "prehistoric", what exactly do you gain?

To repeat: the usual definition of "history" means "recorded history", with "prehistoric" meaning "before recorded history".

I'd say that's still an important distinction, so what is your problem with it?

25 posted on 07/21/2012 12:53:57 PM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective....)
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