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Neanderthals Had Knowledge Of Plant Healing Qualities
redOrbit Staff & Wire Reports ^ | Thursday, July 19, 2012 | Naturwissenschaften

Posted on 07/19/2012 9:56:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

A team of researchers has provided the first molecular evidence that Neanderthals not only ate a range of cooked plant foods, but also understood their nutritional and medicinal qualities...

The researchers, led by the Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona and the University of York, combined pyrolysis gas-chromatography-mass spectrometry with morphological analysis of plant microfossils to identify material trapped in dental calculus (calcified dental plaque) from five Neanderthals from the north Spanish site of El Sidrón.

Their results provide another twist to the story -- the first molecular evidence for medicinal plants being used by a Neanderthal individual.

According to a prepared statement by the researchers, starch granules and carbohydrate markers in the samples, plus evidence for plant compounds such as azulenes and coumarins, as well as possible evidence for nuts, grasses and even green vegetables, argue for a broader use of ingested plants than is often suggested by stable isotope analysis...

Earlier research had shown that the Neanderthals in El Sidrón had the bitter taste perception gene, evidence of which had been found trapped within dental calculus...

A total of ten samples of dental calculus from five Neanderthals were selected for this study. The researchers used thermal desorption and pyrolysis gas-chromatography-mass spectrometry to identify both free/unbound and bound/polymeric organic components in the dental calculus. By using this method in conjunction with the extraction and analysis of plant microfossils, they found chemical evidence consistent with wood-fire smoke, a range of cooked starchy foods, two plants known today for their medicinal qualities, and bitumen or oil shale trapped in the dental calculus.

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TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: agriculture; animalhusbandry; dietandcuisine; godsgravesglyphs; huntergatherers; neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
Neanderthal remains found in El Sidrón Cave. Credit: CSIC Comunicación

Neanderthals Had Knowledge Of Plant Healing Qualities

1 posted on 07/19/2012 9:56:18 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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The Neandertal Enigma
by James Shreeve

in local libraries
Frayer's own reading of the record reveals a number of overlooked traits that clearly and specifically link the Neandertals to the Cro-Magnons. One such trait is the shape of the opening of the nerve canal in the lower jaw, a spot where dentists often give a pain-blocking injection. In many Neandertal, the upper portion of the opening is covered by a broad bony ridge, a curious feature also carried by a significant number of Cro-Magnons. But none of the alleged 'ancestors of us all' fossils from Africa have it, and it is extremely rare in modern people outside Europe." [pp 126-127]
KEYWORDS: neandertal; neandertals; neanderthal; neanderthals
2 posted on 07/19/2012 9:57:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


3 posted on 07/19/2012 9:58:39 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

Do none of these scientists read the books of Jean Auel? (Clan of the Cave Bear, etc,) The Neandertals were not dumb brutes. They just got a bit technically and intellectually one-upped by the Cro-Magnons.


4 posted on 07/19/2012 10:35:19 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: Kenny Bunk

“...combined pyrolysis gas-chromatography-mass spectrometry with morphological analysis of plant microfossils to identify material trapped in dental calculus...”

Try saying that three times real fast.

She sells seashells down by rhe seashore...
Short sheet slitter...


5 posted on 07/19/2012 11:00:07 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine
Pearl!

How are you keeping?

6 posted on 07/19/2012 11:02:32 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (What Hawaii gave to Obama, was not what Obama gave to us.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Good find, thanks.

Is it true that Neanderthals have a longer fossil/anthropology existence record than do Cro-Magnons?

If so, then they knew a lot more than we give them credit for.


7 posted on 07/19/2012 11:03:12 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: SunkenCiv

I think that typically our ancestors were skilled at many more things than we are. There were no stores to buy things.

Today we each ‘specialize’ to survive. We do our ‘job’ well to get money. Does that mean our ancestors were less intelligent? How many of us know how to make aspirin? How many don’t know what poison ivy looks like ?

Sometimes I think that our ancestors were smarter than us, and that previous unremembered civilizations were much more advanced (or made advanced use of the ‘environment’ at the time).


8 posted on 07/19/2012 11:05:10 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: SunkenCiv

9 posted on 07/19/2012 11:11:31 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: UCANSEE2

Modern brains are smaller.


10 posted on 07/19/2012 11:16:08 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1275 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: SunkenCiv
I found something interesting and new to me. I had heard of the claim that the Covenant of the Ark was in Ethiopia, but I had not before heard of or seen the Rock Hewn Churches there in Lalibela (eleven churches carved in the ground out of the solid rock of a mountain, each with an underground spring well).

To give this some scale, the little white things in the lower left corner are houses.

Maybe you could feature it in a thread sometime. The history of it is very interesting.

11 posted on 07/19/2012 11:23:18 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: null and void
Modern brains are smaller.

Is that overall, or just the neo-cortex? Not that it matters that much, because I don't believe that brain size and intelligence have an exact correlation.

12 posted on 07/19/2012 11:31:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: null and void
Modern brains are smaller.

Well... it's not like we're using them anyway.

13 posted on 07/19/2012 11:38:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

AFAIK, over all smaller.

Agreed that brain size and intelligence do not have an exact correlation, but on the average larger brains contribute to smarter critters, all other factors being equal.

In the case of modern man vs cro-magnon, modern man has essentially the same brain design, a smaller brain, and a bigger body to run with it.

OTOH, birds are disproportionately smart for brain size. I suspect a more efficient brain design.


14 posted on 07/19/2012 11:43:59 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1275 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: UCANSEE2

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/lalibela/index

Lalibela [The Mystery of Ethiopia’s Extraordinary Excavated Churches]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2682976/posts

Ethiopia: lifting the mystery on rock churches ‘built by angels’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2262046/posts

Medieval Houses Of God, Or Ancient Fortresses?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1250453/posts

Major discovery on eve of obelisk’s return (Ethiopia)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1435149/posts

Axum’s ancient treasure
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1619913/posts

On the Trail of the Ark
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/754994/posts

Keepers of the Lost Ark?[Ethiopia][Ark of the Covenant]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1931280/posts

World religious leaders hold their own G8 summit (Ark of the ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2275545/posts

The Biblical Canon and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2810310/posts


15 posted on 07/19/2012 11:43:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: UCANSEE2

Domesticated animals usually have smaller brains than their wild cousins.


16 posted on 07/19/2012 11:48:06 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1275 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: UCANSEE2

The Lalibela churches are literally mind-boggling.

They cannot be.

But there they are.


17 posted on 07/20/2012 1:32:05 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Amazing.


18 posted on 07/20/2012 6:41:04 AM PDT by SueRae (See it? Hell, I can TASTE November from my house!)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Do none of these scientists read the books of Jean Auel?

My first thought as well. Auel either guessed right or found the research that was already out there and included it. Remember, all these "scientists" are feeding at the government teat, and need to keep raising more questions, useful or not, to keep the money flowing. If the problem was solved or all the questions answered, there would be no need for them any longer.

19 posted on 07/20/2012 11:21:16 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thank you for the links.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 1:06:49 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

“How many of us know how to make aspirin? “

Willow bark tea.


21 posted on 07/20/2012 2:35:34 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: UCANSEE2

Did you know that these churches were carved by the Knights Templar?


22 posted on 07/23/2012 8:18:14 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield
Did you know that these churches were carved by the Knights Templar?

I can't say I'm an expert on it, but I did attempt to sort the wheat from the chaff, and the general consensus is that It was not the Knights Templar.

Due to the nature of the 'design', I have trouble figuring out just who did 'design' these churches. According to the 'story', the King went to heaven and saw these churches , then came back and duplicated them. I don't know if he flew to heaven on a horse, but it seems that these stories (mohammed, Jesus, King of Ethiopia) end up involving a horse. Makes me think there is something in common , to these stories, and it really isn't a horse.

23 posted on 07/24/2012 1:59:29 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Willow bark tea.

OK, DOC, you make a grand total of 'one', so far.

24 posted on 07/24/2012 2:01:15 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

“DOC, you make a grand total of ‘one’, so far.”

I have a “Western” doc, and a Chinese herb doc! But I can’t remember when I heard about willow bark. It was many, many years ago.


25 posted on 07/24/2012 2:28:23 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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