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Any Dallas Area FReepers Want to FReep Cinemark?
7-20-12 | SUSSA

Posted on 07/20/2012 6:35:08 PM PDT by SUSSA

Any Dallas area FReepers want to FReep Cinemark Sunday afternoon? Their policy makes their theaters unsafe.

How about 1PM Sunday at their HQ?

Corporate Office: Cinemark USA, Inc. 3900 Dallas Parkway, Suite 500 Plano, TX 75093-7865

Anyone up for this?


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1 posted on 07/20/2012 6:35:12 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

btt


2 posted on 07/20/2012 6:44:57 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

I blame the gunman. You can blame the theater chain but that’s just goofy.


3 posted on 07/20/2012 6:45:33 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

It’s no more goofy than if they chained the fire exits closed and someone set fire to the theater. They created a safe killing zone in their theater.


4 posted on 07/20/2012 6:49:06 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Drango
"Gun Free Zone" = Target-rich environment.

They asked for demanded it, they got it.

5 posted on 07/20/2012 6:50:48 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: SUSSA

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read in my life.

Get a grip.


6 posted on 07/20/2012 6:50:55 PM PDT by jra
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To: jra

Not at all it was like advertising that it was safe to prey on their customers.


7 posted on 07/20/2012 6:54:23 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: lightman

yep

Gun Free Zone = Open season for thugs and terrorists


8 posted on 07/20/2012 6:56:08 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA; jra
That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read in my life. Get a grip.

said more diplomatically than i would have but the sentiments are the same

only a fool expects the government OR a corporation to remove every risk in life - du will probably get you more like minded volunteers

9 posted on 07/20/2012 6:57:13 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: SUSSA

That little “no weapons permitted sign” sure kept everybody safe. /sarc


10 posted on 07/20/2012 6:57:57 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: SUSSA

Instead of giving the theater chain grief, how about demanding a more permissive, universal conceal carry law?

I can’t help but think that, had there been someone else in the theater with a weapon, some lives could have been saved.


11 posted on 07/20/2012 6:57:57 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SUSSA

Why did he bother with the body armour? It’s not like he was going to be shot at.

This his only miscalculation, sadly.


12 posted on 07/20/2012 6:58:08 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: sloop

It is unrealistic to remove every risk. It is expected that companies not put patron at added risk.


13 posted on 07/20/2012 7:00:07 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: fatnotlazy

They have a carry law. The company decided to make their property a gun free zone.


14 posted on 07/20/2012 7:02:22 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: sloop

“only a fool expects the government OR a corporation to remove every risk in life - du will probably get you more like minded volunteers”

No one is asking them to. Only to allow law abiding citizens to be able to protect themselves from idiots like the gunman in Aurora.


15 posted on 07/20/2012 7:03:51 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: SUSSA
and they did not

only in your mind

maybe we'll get the tsa to grope - that should make your life safe

16 posted on 07/20/2012 7:05:15 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: antisocial

the op does not want that - wants airbags in every theater seat


17 posted on 07/20/2012 7:06:58 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: SUSSA

Do we know if the person who let the shooter back in the exit door before the shooting is still alive? If it were me, I’m not sure I could live with it. As for anyone else preventing it all, we’ll have to wait until they investigate how he purchased guns and bullets, and what the permissable capabilities of those weapons were in the eyes of the law. To be sure there will be a lot of 20/20 hindsight analysis to come. In the end laws are volunteerily followed (or not) and justice is imperfect at best when it comes to cleaning up the mess. I am very dissapointed at Obama’s failures to bring justice to the 1000s of innocent americans shot by others on his watch.


18 posted on 07/20/2012 7:12:19 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs (Gov The People, Buy The People, Bore The People.)
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To: SUSSA

Good idea. Let’s protest someone who’s running a legal business their own way.


19 posted on 07/20/2012 7:14:43 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

>>Do we know if the person who let the shooter back in the exit door before the shooting is still alive?<<

Early reports (very early) are he bought a ticket and let himself out the door and blocked it to get back in.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 7:17:28 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (obozo could bring back literal slavery with chains and still he will get 85+% of the black vote)
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To: SUSSA

No.

As much as I detest Cinemark’s policy and absolutely agree that the creation of free murder zones is idiotic, it is the company’s right to do legal business as they see fit.

I sympathize with your intent, but such a protest is likely to be extremely counterproductive at this time. Let the Left do the job of hanging themselves by politicizing this.


21 posted on 07/20/2012 7:17:36 PM PDT by Robert Teesdale
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To: sloop

By making the theater a gun free zone they made it less safe. Just like gun free cities are less safe than cities whjere people carry. Gun Free Zones are an invitation to bad people to do bad things.


22 posted on 07/20/2012 7:20:29 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: freedumb2003

which would probably a code violation if it was locked

if we want to get ridiculous - let’s all meet up and protest city fire codes - ITS THEIR FAULT!


23 posted on 07/20/2012 7:21:20 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: sloop

Only in your mind is a gun free zone safer than a place that allows carry.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 7:22:45 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
again - you'd be a great statist - you don't get to force people to run their business according to what you want
25 posted on 07/20/2012 7:23:51 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: TomServo

Let’s protest someone running a business in a way that puts its patrons at a greater risk.


26 posted on 07/20/2012 7:24:42 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: sloop

since you think advertising that someplace is a gun free zone make it safer put a sign on your house declaring it a gun free zone.


27 posted on 07/20/2012 7:27:36 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
stop twisting what i said - learn to read - stop making foolish assumptions

i want every business to have the freedom - within REASON - to run their business as they see fit

you are a pouting adolescent liberal that wants to force everyone to bow to your rules

statist

28 posted on 07/20/2012 7:34:37 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: freedumb2003

Just did a google news search for shooter and exit. Some say front of theatre, some say side and some say rear. Some say propped opened, some say he kicked it opened, some say he banged until someone else opened it. What do you expect when ABC makes guesses about a similarly named Tea Party member, and news is reporting on tweets. Happy first day of Ramadon and the July 20th anniversary of the failed assassination of Hitler & Co.


29 posted on 07/20/2012 7:37:24 PM PDT by ExxonPatrolUs (Gov The People, Buy The People, Bore The People.)
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To: sloop

Your the one who said they didn’t make the theater less safe by making it a gun free zone. They can do as they please but must take responsibility when their actions make people unable to defend themselves.

I’m not suggesting the government do anything to force them to make their theater safer’ I’m just that we let people know their theaters are less safe because of their policy.


30 posted on 07/20/2012 7:42:30 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

As a patron of Cinemark theaters along the Front Range of Colorado, I have seen the ‘no firearms’ stickers on their theaters.

In Colorado, businesses have the right to ask their customers not to carry weapons into their establishment. I respect that. I can also ignore it under state law.

Should a no-gun business somehow detect I am carrying and ask me to leave, I will comply and respect their desire not to have my business.

Meanwhile, I can’t remember when I wasn’t packing in every place legally allowed in the state of Colorado.

Having said all that, and before we second-guess, study the situation in the theater and determine what you might do (seriously - tough situation):
- Dark
- Expecting possible theatrics on opening show
- tear gas
- confusion
- don’t know if there’s more than one shooter
- family/friends to care for

Very, very, difficult to draw and shoot.

My question is how did the shooter pass within arm’s length of lots of people without anyone piling on him? That’s a hard one all around.

Prayers for those affected.

Kit.


31 posted on 07/20/2012 7:53:37 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: KitJ

I agree that this was a tough situation. My point is making a public accommodation a gun free zone makes it less safe and eliminates all possibility of getting a shot at the terrorist. With a gun someone might have gotten a shot and taken him out. With no guns in the theater there was no chance of that.

Far too many businesses put their employees at greater risk by these no gun policies. It’s time to hold them accountable for their actions and to warn the public that these businesses are not as safe as other businesses that have more reasonable rules.


32 posted on 07/20/2012 8:03:06 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
wrong again - can you read?

you are a humiliation to the right - another wackjob that has no idea about conservative principles

freedom to restrict guns from my private business is exactly that - freedom

33 posted on 07/20/2012 8:07:26 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: SUSSA
Well the patrons can just go somewhere else now, can't they? Or are you too damned stupid to realize it's a private business?
34 posted on 07/20/2012 8:11:58 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: SUSSA

Thank you for your reply. You can tell by my tagline where I stand.

I agree with you as far as asking businesses to reconsider their ‘no gun’ stances. I’m not sure this requires a sidewalk protest - but I will support you in furthering our RKBA.

Colorado law is somewhat unique for the reasons I listed, and I sincerely respect the business owner’s decisions even though I may not agree with them (and routinely ignore them).

As a former Texas resident and permit holder, I’m familiar with the Texas law that says if a business posts a sign of certain criteria then it becomes illegal to carry there. Different in Colorado.

Meanwhile, we should encourage the sheep dogs since there are plenty of sheep to guard. Watch out for the wolves.

FReegards,
Kit!


35 posted on 07/20/2012 8:17:58 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: sloop

Freedom to chain the fire exit closed is freedom too. Do you advocate that freedom for private businesses? I would allow that if the business was ready to accept responsibility for any harm done if someone sets fire to the property. Freedom to make your business less safe is fine as long as you are willing to accept the consequences of your actions.

When a business limits their employees’ and patrons’ ability to defend themselves they must accept the responsibility for that act. In the case of Cinemark they made their theaters less safe by making them gun free zones. The public should know that so they can avoid their theaters.

You may think gun free zones are as safe as places where people are free to carry. That’s your opinion. It is your right to hold that opinion. Cinemark and Bloomberg agree with you. Many of us don’t.


36 posted on 07/20/2012 8:21:51 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TomServo

They can go somewhere else if they are aware of the unsafe condition. If after being informed they decide to put themselves and their family members at higher risk, that’s their right. I wouldn’t suggest that they don’t have the right to make that decision.

The media isn’t saying much about the theater being a gun free zone. The public should know so they can decide if they want to take the extra risk of patronizing those theaters.


37 posted on 07/20/2012 8:29:30 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: KitJ

It might not require a protest. I thought an informational demonstration might alert the public to the dangers they are placing themselves in by going to these theaters.

A drop in patronage is the best way to change bad policy.

regards


38 posted on 07/20/2012 8:34:13 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

Maybe THIS will be the test case?

By banning guns in a state that allows CC, it is my argument that the theater assumed the legal responsibility to ensure the safety of everyone who entered.

Obviously, that didn’t occur.

I say the theater chain is legally liable.


39 posted on 07/20/2012 8:46:23 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I agree. Hopefully, there are some sharp lawyers already working on that.


40 posted on 07/20/2012 8:50:32 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
I suggest you start protesting every privately owned business that doesn't allow firearms on their privately owned property.

Good grief.

41 posted on 07/20/2012 8:52:36 PM PDT by TomServo
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Freedom to chain the fire exit closed is freedom too..

No it's not. It's against the law.

42 posted on 07/20/2012 8:54:26 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: SUSSA

You are right. They are creating unsafe conditions for the customers.

Ignore the “private business” whinners. Liberal CEO’s take their marching orders from liberals in creating these kind of fascist, p.c. policies and they and the public should see some kick back.


43 posted on 07/20/2012 8:56:12 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: TomServo

Sometimes you just have to get their attention by targeting a big one. Every journey starts with a single step.


44 posted on 07/20/2012 8:56:43 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: TomServo

And why is it against the Law? Could it be against the law because it causes a less safe environment?


45 posted on 07/20/2012 9:00:09 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA

As long as you’re not breeding, I wish you all the best.


46 posted on 07/20/2012 9:00:16 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Robert Teesdale

If you don’t think liberal activists work these corporations to make such p.c. policies, you are nuts. The Brady bunch hit up all buinesses, backed by DNC and legal threats, to ban guns.

Conservatives need to push back. Few of their customers are liberals. We need to let them know. Don’t you remember when Clinton was pushing Smith and Wesson to obey his demands and they backed off when gun rights people kicked them in where the sun don’t shine.


47 posted on 07/20/2012 9:01:53 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Drango
"I blame the gunman. You can blame the theater chain but that’s just goofy." ~~~~~~~~

As folks say here in Texas, "You're plumb eat up with the dumb@$$!"

With their anti-gun rules, criminal accomplice, Cinemark, guaranteed that the gunman (primary culprit -- I agree) could proceed unopposed until he ran out of ammo or got tired -- whichever came first.

Granted, the madman was armored and helmeted. However, the shock of a round striking a helmet is a BIG, disorienting distraction. And civilian body armor transmits sufficient force to cause intense pain and injury. (Google "backface trauma" and "backface signature injury" for verification.)

Even with nothing more than a 9mm, a competent shooter could have drastically shortened that madman's murderous rampage. But that option was denied by the criminal Cinemark policy...

Cinemark and its "no guns" policy simply concentrated the law-abiding as a mass victim target -- and did nothing to impede the lawless monster from wreaking havoc.

Cinemark Holdings should be sued out of existence!!


48 posted on 07/20/2012 9:03:57 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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again - learn to read fool

miss that within reason thing? its all or nothing for tards like you - anarchist?

you are the justification for homeland security to have the right on watch lists

i hope napolitano is watching you

49 posted on 07/20/2012 9:05:33 PM PDT by sloop (don't touch my junk)
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To: SUSSA
Could someone get a photo of the "no guns" sign displayed by Cinemark at their Aurora theater? Ditto for their theaters in Texas...?

If Cinemark is not displaying fully 30.06-compliant signs in Texas, their prohibition is powerless, and CHL holders can -- and SHOULD -- carry legally on their premises.

If Cinemark does display valid 30.06 signs in Texas, they will never get any business from anyone in my family!

~~~~~~~~~

Wish I could join you in Plano!

P.S. Meant to copy you on #48...

50 posted on 07/20/2012 9:18:38 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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