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(Vavavooom!) 600-year-old bra and underwear discovered in an Austrian castle
IO9 ^ | Jul 18, 2012 | Annalee Newitz

Posted on 07/20/2012 10:24:09 PM PDT by DogByte6RER

600-year-old bra and underwear discovered in an Austrian castle

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Contemporary bras are more comfortable, modified versions of corsets — or so it was believed, until a 2007 discovery changed the way we see women's underwear. Working with a team of her colleagues, archaeologist Beatrix Nutz recently publicized her discovery of several linen bras and some underwear in a medieval castle.

Nutz has presented academic papers about her discovery, and even analyzed the underwear for DNA (see picture). But the public didn't hear about the medieval bras until a BBC history program showed pictures of them. Nutz and colleagues also found a pair of men's underwear (pictured below) — apparently medieval women wore no panties.

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What this means is that women were wearing bras long before the invention of corsets. So corsets have been revealed as the uncomfortable, restrictive version of bras. Does that mean the middle ages were actually a more liberal time than the corset-obsessed eighteenth and nineteenth centuries?

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Science; Society; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; anthropology; archaeology; austria; beatrixnutz; bra; corset; godsgravesglyphs; lingerie; medieval; skivvies; talesfromthecrypt; underwear
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Sexy skellie

The perfect lady for this 600-year-old lingerie ...

1 posted on 07/20/2012 10:24:17 PM PDT by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

“PANTY RAID!!!!”


2 posted on 07/20/2012 10:25:09 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: dfwgator

... I wonder what the panties smell like?


3 posted on 07/20/2012 10:29:43 PM PDT by Ken522
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To: dfwgator

Those panties are kinda hot..


4 posted on 07/20/2012 10:29:43 PM PDT by goseminoles
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EM 4033 Pictures, Images and Photos Just to keep this thread on topic ...
5 posted on 07/20/2012 10:31:12 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER; dfwgator; Lazamataz

The EPD’s for milk production were not yet developed but an association with progeny growth and mammaries was empirically recognized and valued.

The rest is Western Civilization History..


6 posted on 07/20/2012 10:31:51 PM PDT by One Name (Go to the enemy's home court and smoke his ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

ping ...

well, maybe


7 posted on 07/20/2012 10:32:45 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

Das nennt man die Wunderbar Wunderbra, Ja!


8 posted on 07/20/2012 10:33:38 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Under der linden??? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: bunkerhill7

Ja...she haf der kleinen sitzen und der grossen titzen.


9 posted on 07/20/2012 10:34:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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Raquel Welch Pictures, Images and Photos I've seen these garments before ...
10 posted on 07/20/2012 10:39:01 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

She’s wearing garments?


11 posted on 07/20/2012 10:41:33 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: DogByte6RER

My wife has a set looks about like that.


12 posted on 07/20/2012 10:43:22 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: DogByte6RER
That lab picture reminds me of something out of an old Woody Allen movie, "Sleeper," as if they're checking the cell structure of the bra in order to clone the girl back into the bra.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qdB0g3cCSA

13 posted on 07/20/2012 10:43:48 PM PDT by PapaNew
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To: DogByte6RER

I’m trying to follow the logic in the article. The discovery of bras told them that the Middle Ages were more liberal than the 18th and 19th centuries. How do they know these bras were indicative of anything? Maybe they were the only ones. Who knows? I suspect underwear was primitive. Period.


14 posted on 07/20/2012 10:50:32 PM PDT by brytlea (An ounce of chocolate is worth a pound of cure)
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To: DogByte6RER

No panties, huh? Well, that settles it, if we ever develop time travel, I’m jumping back to the “First Bra Age”.


15 posted on 07/20/2012 10:51:57 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: brytlea

well, having studied history, I may be able to help here. Follow if you can: It’s the medieval era. You are a woman and live in a castle. You share rooms with other people, some you may not be related to. You bathe and change clothes (when you do) in front of these other people. You wear a bra for these events but no panties. This is less liberal sexually than the Greeks and Romans (who let it all hang out regularly and had sex in the common rooms of their houses with other people around, probably all through their rise and fall) but more liberal sexually than the corset-wearing bodice ripping renaissance when lingerie was developed and women only bathed and dressed in front of other women - many times only close relatives, who probably don’t share your room.


16 posted on 07/20/2012 11:00:50 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: DogByte6RER

You can`t miss the castle.

17 posted on 07/20/2012 11:02:27 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 (??? . what??? Who knew? .)
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To: AD from SpringBay

They look curiously modern, don’t they?

Also, how do they know those are men’s underpants and not women’s underpants?

That garment apparently has seen better days. Look at all the mending.


18 posted on 07/20/2012 11:03:46 PM PDT by thecodont
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Helen Thomas Pictures, Images and Photos "600-year-old bra and underwear discovered in an Austrian castle" ... on 600-year-old corpse journalist (This is her sexy boudoir photo) - My last post on this topic ... I promise
19 posted on 07/20/2012 11:03:59 PM PDT by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

600 years ago some guy got lucky.

And hid the evidence from his wife very well.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 11:09:18 PM PDT by ElPaseo
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To: DogByte6RER

Helen Thomas has been looking for them!


21 posted on 07/20/2012 11:17:21 PM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: DogByte6RER

She looks medieval, even Neanderthal.


22 posted on 07/20/2012 11:19:51 PM PDT by citizencon
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To: DogByte6RER
they wore something during their periods.. Blood dripping down the legs were quite uncomfortable I am guessing..
23 posted on 07/20/2012 11:41:45 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Ken522

Posting w/o reading? Those are man panities. Medieval women went commando back then.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 11:59:43 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: DogByte6RER

No offense but... I for one am not buying it! 600 years old you got to be kidding me! IMHO it would be a stretch to say that this came from maybe just maybe the civil war era. But I’d say closer to the turn of the last century??

I think this kind of stuff belongs in the tabloid news myself. Given the the level of distraction, misdirection, lies and half truths it would probably make front page on most left wing rag newspapers across the country and headline news on NBC,ABC,CBS,CNN and pMSNBS.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 12:15:19 AM PDT by Mier (Liberalism always generates the exact opposite of its stated intent!! "Jim Quinn")
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To: arderkrag
No panties, huh? Well, that settles it, if we ever develop time travel, I’m jumping back to the “First Bra Age”

I hope you realize that people bathed very infrequently back then and feminine hygiene was crude at best

26 posted on 07/21/2012 12:53:12 AM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: DogByte6RER
Working with a team of her colleagues, archaeologist Beatrix Nutz recently publicized her discovery of several linen bras and some underwear in a medieval castle.

With a name like Nutz, I'd think she would be studying medieval jock straps.

By the way, I don't think those were Wonderbras she found; probably Iron Maidens.

27 posted on 07/21/2012 1:00:06 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: DogByte6RER

600 year old skid marks!


28 posted on 07/21/2012 1:15:47 AM PDT by JaguarXKE (If my Fluffy had a puppy, it would look like the puppy Obama ate!)
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To: DogByte6RER; mikrofon; Charles Henrickson
(Vavavooom!) 600-year-old bra and underwear discovered in an Austrian castle

Ich bin ein bralearner.

29 posted on 07/21/2012 3:02:58 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Bea Nutz)
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To: DogByte6RER; Charles Henrickson; mikrofon
What this means is that women were wearing bras long before the invention of corsets.

Wunderbra!

30 posted on 07/21/2012 3:05:05 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Bea Nutz)
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To: DogByte6RER; Lazamataz

31 posted on 07/21/2012 3:18:30 AM PDT by martin_fierro (Bea Nutz)
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To: martin_fierro

Looks like something Janet Jackson would wear on the Super Bowl Halftime Show.


32 posted on 07/21/2012 3:26:44 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: DogByte6RER

I knew I would come across a picture of Helen of Troy in this thread.


33 posted on 07/21/2012 4:15:15 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: Mad Dawgg

It was just a wardrobe malfunction.


34 posted on 07/21/2012 4:16:43 AM PDT by Rocky (Obama is pure evil)
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To: goat granny
Women of child-bearing age were starving and/or pregnant their entire lives up until very recently in human history. They usually died well before the age of 40 and often during one of their many pregnancies. Periods were the exception in a female’s life rather than the norm.

Barren women may have had periods but they were usually killed or abandoned. Especially less attractive ones that wouldn't be taken care of by a powerful man with multiple fertile women to make up for it. No babies or eye candy meant the woman was a drain on resources.

Also, people were far less clean so some blood on the legs would have been barely noticed. No running water, no toilet paper, lots of flies, fleas, etc. In some societies people never bathed at all. Even in the Europe of a couple hundred years ago, people took a bath once a year and it was a huge occasion.

We truly have come a long way, baby...

35 posted on 07/21/2012 5:51:06 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

since fabric was hard to come by your clothes usually rotted off you. they used wool and linen a lot which, at least, are good fabrics. when the industrial revolution started and fabric was produced on the big looms and not by hand on the small looms, fabric was a lot cheaper. people started to be cleaner because they had a change of clothes, but nothing like today. We have so many advantages over our ancestors—they must have been a hardy lot, the ones that survived. Many people are alive today who would have easily died 200 plus years ago.


36 posted on 07/21/2012 6:04:19 AM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: Isabel C.

I’ll take a fire truck with me and hose everything down. Failing that, a thousand pressure washers should take care of the problem. Maybe I’l change the course of history with - GASP - shampoo.


37 posted on 07/21/2012 6:24:20 AM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: DogByte6RER; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks DogByte6RER.

Please, I beg all of you, no Helen Thomas jokes.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


38 posted on 07/21/2012 6:31:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: martin_fierro
archaeologist Beatrix Nutz

39 posted on 07/21/2012 6:35:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: arderkrag

———but no panties-——

The fallacy in the article is that the fact panties or pantaloons were not found does not mean they did not exist.


40 posted on 07/21/2012 6:43:33 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: DogByte6RER

Don’t think they shaved legs back then either.


41 posted on 07/21/2012 6:48:18 AM PDT by jughandle
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To: SunkenCiv
Austria? Probably something like this.


42 posted on 07/21/2012 6:55:09 AM PDT by csvset
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To: Taffini

We have so many advantages over our ancestors—

Newsday (LI NY)did a story on the actual medical/physical condition of our founding fathers and their level of common daily discomfort. It was shocking how much pain these people suffered even as they were founding our country.


43 posted on 07/21/2012 7:10:27 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: dfwgator; DogByte6RER

“Das nennt man die Wunderbar Wunderbra, Ja!”

“Ja...she haf der kleinen sitzen und der grossen titzen.”

Stopenzie Floppin!


44 posted on 07/21/2012 7:15:33 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: TalBlack

People keep talking how stressful life is now...I say look back in time and I doubt that anyone would want to go back to the days when clothes were washed and wrung by hand in a wooden tub, we had no flushing toilets or modern sewer systems, no modern dental equipment, no deodorant, no cars, no planes, no paved roads, no antibiotics, no modern “lady” products, no sewing machines, no air conditioning, no right and left shoes, and on and on. We don’t know what stress is compared to those who came before us.


45 posted on 07/21/2012 7:26:49 AM PDT by Taffini ( Mr. Pippen and Mr. Waffles do not approve and neither do I)
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To: Isabel C.
I hope you realize that people bathed very infrequently back then

I hope you realize that that is a myth.

http://www.gallowglass.org/jadwiga/herbs/baths.html

Like the nonsensical idea that spices were used to disguise the taste of rotten meat, the idea that bathing was forbidden and/or wiped out between the fall of Rome and the Enlightenment has been touted by many gullible writers, including Smithsonian magazine.

However, even the Smithsonian in the person of Jay Stuller has to admit that "Gregory the Great, the first monk to become pope, allowed Sunday baths and even commended them, so long as they didn't become a 'time-wasting luxury' . . . medieval nobility routinely washed their hands before and after meals. Etiquette guides of the age insisted that teeth, face and hands be cleaned each morning.

Shallow basins and water jugs for washing hair were found in most manor houses, as was the occasional communal tub..."

"In the first volume of Janssen's History of the German People there are many details concerning the popular use of baths in Germany during the Middle Ages.

Men bathed several times each day; some spent the whole day in or about their favorite springs. From the 20th of May to the 9th of June, 1511, Lucas Rem bathed one hundred and twenty-seven times, as we may see by his diary" (p. 291-292).

46 posted on 07/21/2012 7:40:40 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: varyouga
Women of child-bearing age were starving and/or pregnant their entire lives up until very recently in human history. They usually died well before the age of 40 and often during one of their many pregnancies. Periods were the exception in a female’s life rather than the norm.

That is a gross generalization that does not apply to much of Europe. At very least you recognize that there were convents filled with non-pregnant, fertile women. I know of no Christian society that tolerated the killing of women for being barren or living past child-bearing years. The Christian rules regarding fasting would make no sense in a starving society. You should read more about medieval Europe.
47 posted on 07/21/2012 7:57:03 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("I love to hear you talk talk talk, but I hate what I hear you say."-Del Shannon)
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To: martin_fierro; DogByte6RER; Charles Henrickson

Apparently for utility these were all nursing bras...


48 posted on 07/21/2012 9:42:12 AM PDT by mikrofon (Bra Exit, Nutz)
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To: DogByte6RER; freedumb2003; NicknamedBob

Free, I told you not to pass that photo around! LOL!

‘Face


49 posted on 07/21/2012 9:59:22 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Sometimes, I laugh so hard that tears run down my leg.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sound this out:

Be a trix Nutz.


50 posted on 07/21/2012 10:33:45 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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