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Air Force to begin testing drone-fired lasers over North Dakota
FoxNews.com ^ | Published July 20, 2012 | Fox News

Posted on 07/21/2012 2:37:17 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U

On July 26, the U.S. Air National Guard will get the green light to begin firing lasers from unmanned attack drones in a vast swath of skies over North Dakota, despite the concerns of local commercial pilots. At the Devils Lake home of the North Dakota Army National Guard, pilots train on MQ-1 Predator drones -- the most prevalent unmanned attack

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What could possibly go wrong? I hope we don't have another James Holmes type in charge of any.
1 posted on 07/21/2012 2:37:20 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U
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To: TribalPrincess2U

The Empire Strikes Back. So sad it’s gotten this far.


2 posted on 07/21/2012 2:40:51 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To kin and former friends: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

The Empire Strikes Back. So sad it’s gotten this far.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 2:40:57 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( To kin and former friends: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

North Dakota? Oil industry? Why not fly them over Chicago and have “accidents”?


4 posted on 07/21/2012 2:43:46 PM PDT by BarbM (Portuguese Dog--Kenyan president)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Don’t worry. They will only be lasering low level domestic terrorists. Oh yeh, I forgot thats us.


5 posted on 07/21/2012 2:44:04 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: BarbM

D.C.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 2:44:29 PM PDT by bigheadfred (If ya thought I was unhinged, watch me come unglued)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Ain’t no big deal. All of us have been burned by the government before.


7 posted on 07/21/2012 2:45:58 PM PDT by bigheadfred (If ya thought I was unhinged, watch me come unglued)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

From Krauthammer :

“I’m going to go hard left on you here, I’m going ACLU. I don’t want regulations, I don’t want restrictions, I want a ban on this. Drones are instruments of war. The Founders had a great aversion to any instruments of war, the use of the military inside even the United States. It didn’t like standing armies, it has all kinds of statutes of using the army in the country.

A drone is a high-tech version of an old army and a musket. It ought to be used in Somalia to hunt bad guys but not in America. I don’t want to see it hovering over anybody’s home. Yes, you can say we have satellites, we’ve got Google Street View and London has a camera on every street corner but that’s not an excuse to cave in on everything else and accept a society where you’re always under — being watched by the government. This is not what we want.

I would say that you ban it under all circumstances and I would predict, I’m not encouraging, but I an predicting that the first guy who uses a Second Amendment weapon to bring a drone down that’s been hovering over his house is going to be a folk hero in this country.”


8 posted on 07/21/2012 2:46:36 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: OwenKellogg

Fer sure a martyr.


9 posted on 07/21/2012 2:47:48 PM PDT by bigheadfred (If ya thought I was unhinged, watch me come unglued)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

From the article:
“The lasers aren’t intended as weapons...they are targeting lasers fixed on a spot on the ground, which can be used to steer other explosives to a target.”

I use lasers at work and at home; it ain’t no big deal.


10 posted on 07/21/2012 2:48:53 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Very misleading article from Fox. The lasers are not weapons. They are used for targeting. And all the training will be done within a military base.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 2:52:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: BarbM
North Dakota? Oil industry?
That was my first thought. They HATE the oil industry.
12 posted on 07/21/2012 2:58:41 PM PDT by samtheman (Obama. Mugabe. Chavez. (Obamugavez))
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To: TribalPrincess2U

A citizen can be thrown in prison for pointing a pocket laser pen at a plane, but a military laser in the sky, what can possibly go wrong. It just fades away after a few hundred miles I am sure.


13 posted on 07/21/2012 3:00:39 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Repeal The 17th
"...they are targeting lasers..."

Well, that makes all right, then...

14 posted on 07/21/2012 3:01:36 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: Moonman62
They have a hard enough time getting this(ABL)thing to work let alone fund it...it will be a long time before a lethal laser weapon can be fitted to a tiny drone


15 posted on 07/21/2012 3:03:04 PM PDT by BreezyDog (PLAN A: A Peaceful Restoration of the Republic.....PLAN B: A Restoration of the Republic)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

just disguise yourself as a Muslim, you’ll be safe from this government


16 posted on 07/21/2012 3:16:29 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder

Let’s link them all together and call it Skynet.


17 posted on 07/21/2012 3:20:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Terry Mross

What’s the big deal. The air force has had troops on the ground doing the targeting for decades. They now have the ability to laze targets beyond the reach and harms way for ground special ops guys.

This is a great step forward.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 3:28:36 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: TribalPrincess2U

19 posted on 07/21/2012 3:32:24 PM PDT by montag813
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To: TribalPrincess2U

These articles and the reaction to them are an embarassing example of ill-informed panic.


20 posted on 07/21/2012 3:37:53 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: bert

But they are DRONES!!!!!!!!! (Cue horror film music).

I guess there are a lot of FReepers that don’t want the military to be able to train for their job.


21 posted on 07/21/2012 3:39:23 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Repeal The 17th

I could run our dog all over the county with one of these!


22 posted on 07/21/2012 3:41:30 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Strategerist

They’re training to use them on us, they just don’t know that yet.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 3:52:35 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
"They" could just as easily use F-16s on us. What's magically different about "Drones? When M1s are doing live fire exercises at Ft. Knox, are they training to shoot at us? (As a helpful tip, I'd pretty much ignore every article that describes UAVs/UAS as "drones" - the military and industry doesn't use the term at all, and it's a tipoff it's a scare article written by a clueless journalist.

24 posted on 07/21/2012 4:00:19 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: Repeal The 17th

“The lasers aren’t intended as weapons...they are targeting lasers fixed on a spot on the ground, which can be used to steer other explosives to a target.”

Right, so the planes used to deliver the explosives aren’t weapons, either.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 4:09:40 PM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Strategerist
When M1s are doing live fire exercises at Ft. Knox, are they training to shoot at us?

Yes. You need to break out of your cold war mindset.

26 posted on 07/21/2012 4:11:07 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Oh, did James Holmes have a drone? I missed that part of the story.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 4:17:27 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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To: BreezyDog
From Wiki:
Secretary of Defense Gates said that "I don't know anybody at the Department of Defense, Mr. Tiahrt, who thinks that this program should, or would, ever be operationally deployed. The reality is that you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now to be able to get any distance from the launch site to fire."

"So, right now the ABL would have to orbit inside the borders of Iran in order to be able to try and use its laser to shoot down that missile in the boost phase. And if you were to operationalize this you would be looking at 10 to 20 747s, at a billion and a half dollars apiece, and $100 million a year to operate. And there's nobody in uniform that I know who believes that this is a workable concept."

The Air Force did not request further funds for the Airborne Laser for 2010; Air Force Chief Schwartz has said that the system "does not reflect something that is operationally viable." In December 2011, it was reported that the project was to be ended after 16 years of development and a cost of over $5 billion.

Good thing the Navy is getting good at shooting down missiles the old fashioned way.
28 posted on 07/21/2012 4:18:15 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

For use against Muslims or Tea Partiers?


29 posted on 07/21/2012 4:27:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

RE: For use against Muslims or Tea Partiers?
Yes


30 posted on 07/21/2012 4:36:32 PM PDT by Dosa26
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To: OwenKellogg; ATLDiver; Travis McGee

Wired magazine had a big article about people developing and flying their own drones in the last two or three issues. Here, I found it:

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/06/ff_drones

I would say that would be the way to take one down, not with a rifle. Just sayin’ . . .


31 posted on 07/21/2012 4:42:04 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Strategerist; GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

Good for the military. Some of the hobbyists / would-be-commercial users *are* flying drones.

It’s a hair splitting thing that primarily serves obfuscation in the discussion.


32 posted on 07/21/2012 4:46:46 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Good evening.

What could possibly go wrong?

Not a big thing. Why? Think about it. Whether its the military, home land security, the fbi, your local sheriffs office, all of these people have family. You can easily find out who, and where they are located. For example, if my neighbor has a son in the military, or the fbi, I can find that out.

If for example, someone comes to my door, and wants to collect the penalty/tax for 0bamacare, then I invite them in. Same with the secret service or fbi.

Then I learn who sent them and their location. Sure, it will get messy, but then I go up their chain of command. Eventually, they all come over to our side or die...or I do.

5.56mm

33 posted on 07/21/2012 4:52:21 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Strategerist
When M1s are doing live fire exercises at Ft. Knox<

So sad, that doesn't happen anymore.

34 posted on 07/21/2012 4:57:42 PM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: FreedomPoster

I would say that would be the way to take one down, not with a rifle. Just sayin’ . . .


You may be right. One thing’s for sure, CWII will be fought in the sky.


35 posted on 07/21/2012 5:13:15 PM PDT by OwenKellogg
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To: BarbM

Really! My daughter lives in ND.


36 posted on 07/21/2012 5:52:13 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: Fundamentally Fair

You evidently didn’t read my post either.
I said a James Holmes TYPE.

Aurora Shooter exhibits classic schizophrenia pattern.
Get it now?


37 posted on 07/21/2012 5:58:05 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: Strategerist

What’s ill-informed panic?

Sick people in the know, running around in a panic?


38 posted on 07/21/2012 6:03:16 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's Welfare, Food Stamps, Division and Disability 'Legacy')
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To: Moonman62
“...you would need a laser something like 20 to 30 times more powerful than the chemical laser in the plane right now...”

Incorrect. While true we were able to get only about half the design power out of the test vehicle's COIL in ABL, we could easily (with a straightforward redesign and the knowledge we have now) get that power up 2 to 3 times it's current levels. That would be MORE than enough to suppress all ballistic missile activity in a theater the size of Iran 24 hours a day with a fleet of 7-10 ABLs (depending on the assumptions you make regarding reliability, on station availability, etc).

ABL’s range is only weakly tied to laser power. It's range is a much stronger function of the adaptive optics system which could be enhanced to significantly increase lethal range from the current test bird. If that quote from Gates is accurate, he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about.

On the other hand, I also am a skeptic about the operational viability of ABL, but for a host of logistics and maintenance reasons unrelated to the performance of the laser weapon itself. Oh, and there were many of us in uniform far more informed than him that felt the system could be developed into a viable operational platform. Give us one year's overrun in the F-22 program, and we could have cleared the skies. It's all a matter of priorities.

39 posted on 07/21/2012 9:11:51 PM PDT by LaserJock
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To: TribalPrincess2U
Get it now?

No, because it make no sense.

40 posted on 07/22/2012 9:17:10 PM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (Pictionary at the Rorschach's tonight!)
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