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Buddha tree alive and healthy at age 2,500
UPI ^ | 07/20/12

Posted on 07/22/2012 6:21:13 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Published: July 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM

BODH GAYA, India, July 20 (UPI) -- The 2,500-year-old tree under which Gautama Buddha is believed to have attained enlightenment is alive and healthy, Indian scientists said Thursday.

The Bodhi tree, a large Sacred Fig (Ficus religiosa,) is in Bodh Gaya in India's eastern state of Bihar, about 60 miles from the state capital of Patna.

"The Bodhi tree is fully healthy," Subhash Nautiyal of the Forest Research Institute in India's northern state of Uttarakhand said.

Nautiyal and colleagues examined the tree after removing the cement slabs around its base, China's Xinhua News Agency reported.

"It will help the tree to receive water and nutrition in its roots," the scientists said.

The 1,500-year-old temple behind the sacred tree is visited by large numbers of tourists from all over the world, particularly from Japan.


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Local News; Religion
KEYWORDS: agnosticism; buddha; buddhatree; buddhism; faithandphilosophy; godsgravesglyphs; nirvana
2,500 years is a long time. It is an understatement to say that a lot has changed since Buddha's days. On the other hand, when Caesar landed on Egypt, 2,500 years had passed since Giza Pyramids were built. Our perspective of time is rather narrow, it seems.
1 posted on 07/22/2012 6:21:19 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; SunkenCiv

P!


2 posted on 07/22/2012 6:22:25 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Soon to be cut down by some Islamic ...


3 posted on 07/22/2012 6:31:44 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: SkyDancer

I have many Chinese friends, all proud American Christians now. And they are Buddhists too. They see no conflict between the two philosophies.


4 posted on 07/22/2012 6:36:21 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: SkyDancer
Soon to be cut down by some Islamic ...

He'll have to work fast. More than likely a University of Alabama fan will poison it.

5 posted on 07/22/2012 6:38:14 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
When the Giza Pyramids were being built, the Indus Valley Civilisation, a thousand or so miles away from this tree, but in western India, had rectangular-grid towns with stone tile-enclosed sewer lines and public pools. Then the Aryans took over.


6 posted on 07/22/2012 6:42:43 PM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Either a bad cam or a bad/dirty lens ... but a short look at the tree
7 posted on 07/22/2012 6:43:36 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

They need to chop it down and count the rings just to make sure.


8 posted on 07/22/2012 6:45:16 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Scoutmaster
Soon to be cut down by some Islamic ...

He'll have to work fast. More than likely a
University of Alabama fan will poison it.

???

9 posted on 07/22/2012 6:50:41 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge
Some Univ of Alabama fan poisoned trees in Auburn

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilderness-resources/stories/auburn-university-trees-poisoned-by-angry-alabama-fan

10 posted on 07/22/2012 7:01:43 PM PDT by theDentist (FYBO/FUBO; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Sorry but I don’t think Islam is a philosophy - unless it’s the philosophy of death.


11 posted on 07/22/2012 7:03:32 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: theDentist
Some Univ of Alabama fan poisoned trees in Auburn

Ahhh... Makes sense now
Cross state rivalries can get a little... testy

and Spike® 80DF herbicide is nasty stuff
http://www.dowagro.com/range/products/spike80DF.htm

I wonder if it works on Fig Trees?
Idle conjecture only

12 posted on 07/22/2012 7:09:53 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It won’t be if any Muslims are allowed near it.


13 posted on 07/22/2012 7:13:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: knarf

Wow. That’s some fig tree. Does it bear fruit?


14 posted on 07/22/2012 7:14:05 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Then they aren’t Christians. Christ demands more than mere philosophy.


15 posted on 07/22/2012 7:21:15 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

“Then they aren’t Christians”

They are devoted Christians. You don;t understand the philosophy of Buddhism. There’s really no significant problems involved between the two. One is religion, the other is a philosophy about life.


16 posted on 07/22/2012 7:30:19 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
2,500 years is a long time. It is an understatement to say that a lot has changed since Buddha's days. On the other hand, when Caesar landed on Egypt, 2,500 years had passed since Giza Pyramids were built. Our perspective of time is rather narrow, it seems.

Very true, and there are trees near my home, Bristlecone Pines, which are nearly 5,000 years old and still living.

17 posted on 07/22/2012 7:34:23 PM PDT by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
You don't understand the philosophy of Buddhism.

Four Noble Truths

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Eightfold_Path

IMHO, Nothing Here that looks inconsistent with Christ's teachings

18 posted on 07/22/2012 7:41:25 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I think it is you, or your Buddhist friends, that don’t understand Christianity.


19 posted on 07/22/2012 7:53:51 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: HangnJudge

Just a short pass - dinner is ready soon...

First, the basic idea of reincarnation is anti-Biblical because we are born to die once and after that judgement.

Second, the basis of suffering is sin, not desire.

We could probably go on all night, since Buddhism is constructed to consume and redifine truth on it’s terms, but fresh sweet corn I picked 20 minutes ago is just about ready and that trumps everything right now - metaphysical claptrap notwithstanding.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 8:03:48 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Yeah, but will it survive “The Invasion of the Bodhi Snatchers.”


21 posted on 07/22/2012 8:32:37 PM PDT by HerrBlucher ("The cross opens its arms to the four winds; it is a signpost for free travelers." GK Chesterton)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

“Nautiyal and colleagues examined the tree after removing the cement slabs around its base...”


There is no such thing as a cement slab. Cement is a powder. If it’s hard, it’s concrete.


22 posted on 07/22/2012 8:41:22 PM PDT by Lucas McCain
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
I have many Chinese friends, all proud American Christians now. And they are Buddhists too. They see no conflict between the two philosophies

Christ is God....what more could one need???

23 posted on 07/22/2012 9:16:10 PM PDT by terycarl (lurking, but well informed)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

You are 100% correct. I am also a Buddhist and Christian (but I am white). Buddha literally means saint / enlightened being. I find Buddhism to be more of a way of life.. I believe that Jesus was the son of God and He was also an enlightened man.


24 posted on 07/22/2012 9:39:19 PM PDT by hippyhater
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The huge Buddha statues in Afghanistan.. Gone!


25 posted on 07/22/2012 9:48:24 PM PDT by hippyhater
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The huge Buddha statues in Afghanistan.. Gone!


26 posted on 07/22/2012 9:48:42 PM PDT by hippyhater
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Man put the Bible together not Jesus Christ. Anti-Biblical does not necessarily mean anti-Jesus. You are assuming that the Bible has captured all teachings of Jesus and was never ever ever altered by man...


27 posted on 07/22/2012 9:58:53 PM PDT by hippyhater
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Christians believe in one God and the immortal soul. Buddhists believe in no God and no soul.

The goal of Chritianity is eternal life. The goal of Buddhism is to escape the endless cycle of death and rebirth and become one with nothingness.

28 posted on 07/22/2012 11:05:07 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: hippyhater

Orthodox (all the way back) Christianity holds that the Bible is inspired by God and infallible for doctrine, teaching, reproof and correction. Christ held that Scripture was ‘God breathed’ and the Apostle John, in his Gospel, holds that Christ was, in fact, the Word. Revision or rejection of Scriptural purity is, in fact, rejection of Christ. John holds this again in Revelations.

All the teachings of Christ are in the revelation given to us by God. The Holy Spirit is given to instruct as we grow in The Way. All that Christ did on earth, however, could not be contained in all the libraries of the world as the Bible points out. This does not mean he climbed Mt. Everest or baked a souffle or won a basketball championship. What he accomplished in terms of His glory, eternity and the vanquishing of sin and death would be more than sufficient to blow the internet in random electrons.

You can certainly argue that men wrote the Bible, but Christ was also a man as well as God and he maintained that the Scriptures were of God. If you mean to argue that Scripture, because it is the work of men, is just as errant or dated as most any other literary work, well, then I would advise you to consult about a million sources that would refute that notion and, in fact, point to the painstaking perfection of the document’s preservation, completeness and authenticity delivered to us just as it was written. Really now, if God created the world, could it be so difficult to give us a manual for living?

You have to do your own research though - I already believe it.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 5:35:41 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (I'm for Churchill in 1940!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks TigerLikesRooster. Nice perspective BTW. :') I'm going to ping this one, and I know I'm taking a chance here. :'D

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


30 posted on 07/23/2012 8:47:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Distantly connected but interesting, or at least I find it so:


Cut stump of the tree under discussion.

In the 1950s dendrochronologists were making active efforts at finding the oldest living tree species, in order to use the analysis of the rings for various research purposes, such as the evaluation of former climates, the dating of archaeological ruins, and addressing the basic scientific question of maximum potential lifespan. Bristlecone pines in the White Mountains of California and elsewhere were discovered by Edward Schulman to be older than any species yet discovered. This spurred interest in finding very old bristlecones, possibly older than the Methuselah tree, aged by Schulman in 1957 at over 4700 years.

Donald R. Currey was a graduate student at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill studying the climate dynamics of the Little Ice Age using dendrochronology techniques. In 1963 he became aware of the bristlecone populations in the Snake Range in general, and on Wheeler Peak in particular. Based on the size, growth rate and growth forms of some of the trees he became convinced that some very old specimens existed on the mountain, cored some of them, and found trees exceeding 3,000 years old. However, Currey was not able to obtain a continuous series of overlapping cores from WPN-114. Here, stories diverge. It is not clear whether Currey requested, or Forest Service personnel suggested, that he cut down and section the tree in lieu of being able to core it. There is also some uncertainty as to why a core sample could not be obtained. One version has it that he broke or lodged his only long increment borer and could not obtain another before the end of the field season, another claims he broke two of them, while another implies that a core sample was too difficult to obtain and also would not provide as much definitive information as a full cross section of the tree would.

In addition, there are conflicting views over Prometheus being unique in the Wheeler Peak grove. It is reported that Currey and/or the Forest Service personnel who authorized the cutting believed the tree was just one of many large, very old trees in the grove. Others, at least one of whom was involved in the decision-making and tree cutting, believe that the tree was clearly unique — obviously older than other trees in the area. At least one person involved says that Currey knew this to be true at the time, although there is no known admission from Currey himself that he knew this, and others have disputed that the tree, based on observation alone, was obviously much older than the others.

Another uncertainty is that it is not clear why the felling of such an old tree was necessary given the topic Currey was studying. Since the Little Ice Age started no more than 600 years ago, many trees could presumably have provided the information he was seeking for that time period. However, in Currey's original report in the journal Ecology (Currey, 1965) he refers to the Little Ice Age as encompassing the period from 2000 BC to the present, thus defining the Age over a much longer time period than is currently accepted. Whether this was the common sentiment at the time is not known. In the article, Currey indicates that he sectioned the tree as much from the question of whether the oldest bristlecones were necessarily confined to California's White Mountains (as some dendrochronologists had been claiming) as from its usefulness in regard to studies of the Little Ice Age.

Whatever the rationale, the tree was cut down and sectioned in August 1964, and several pieces of the sections hauled out to be processed and analyzed, first by Currey, then by others in later years. Sections, or pieces of sections have ended up in various places, some of which are publicly accessible, including the Great Basin National Park visitor center (Baker, Nevada), the Ely Convention Center (Ely, Nevada), the University of Arizona Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research (Tucson, Arizona), and the US Forest Service's Institute of Forest Genetics (Placerville, California).

31 posted on 07/23/2012 9:04:10 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pollster1

Clarification: The stump is from Prometheus, not from the still healthy Buddha tree.


32 posted on 07/23/2012 9:05:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Good thing George Washington wasn’t born there!


33 posted on 07/23/2012 9:05:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
“Then they aren’t Christians”

Arguing with a fundamentalist is like trying to argue with a liberal.

34 posted on 07/24/2012 10:42:11 AM PDT by cerberus
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almost related, interesting in its own right, but from an unusable source:

Illegal digs threaten Pakistan’s Buddhist past
http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/discovery/illegal-digs-threaten-pakistan-s-buddhist-past-1.1346250#.UA6-bMXNkxF


35 posted on 07/28/2012 7:18:04 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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