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Penn State Sanction
ESPN ^ | 07/23/12 | Me

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:06:58 AM PDT by aft_lizard

Don't think there is a story yet, but here is the sanctions:

60 Million Fine Loss of ten schollies per year with current schollies able to transfer immediately 4 year post season ban

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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: football; joepa; paterno; pedo; pedostate; pennstate; sandusky; sports
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1 posted on 07/23/2012 8:07:03 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: aft_lizard

Oh yeah they also vacate all wins from 1998-2011, and are on a five year probation.


2 posted on 07/23/2012 8:08:46 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: aft_lizard

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8191027/penn-state-hit-60-million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

Short Excerpt:

The NCAA has hit Penn State with a $60 million sanction, a four-year football postseason ban and a vacation of all wins dating to 1998, the organization announced Monday morning in a news release.

“These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university,” the statement said.

The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records, the statement continued.

Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period, the release said.

The NCAA revealed the sanctions as NCAA president Mark Emmert and Ed Ray, the chairman of the NCAA’s executive committee, and Oregon State’s president spoke at a news conference in Indianapolis at the organization’s headquarters.

“In the Penn State case, the results were perverse and unconscionable,” Emmert said.

“No price the NCAA can levy with repair the damage inflicted by Jerry Sandusky on his victims,” he said, reffering to the former Penn State defensive coordinator convicted of 45 counts of child sex abuse last month.


3 posted on 07/23/2012 8:09:40 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: aft_lizard

So I guess that would make Eddie Robinson the official all-time coaching win leader again, and make Bobby Bowden #1 in Division I.


4 posted on 07/23/2012 8:11:27 AM PDT by Random_User_250
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To: aft_lizard

Wonder how this might effect their position in the Big Ten?


5 posted on 07/23/2012 8:12:02 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: aft_lizard

No bowls for 4 years, 5 years probation, a $60 million fine, reduced scholarships, and a few wins taken off Paterno’s lifetime record.....

But the football program STILL EXISTS.

WHY?


6 posted on 07/23/2012 8:12:49 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: johniegrad

I believe Delaney has said they still reserve the right to levy their own punishment, including kicking them out of the conference.


7 posted on 07/23/2012 8:13:48 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: John W

Congratulations to Eddie Robinson still the all-time winningest coach.


8 posted on 07/23/2012 8:13:54 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Random_User_250
So I guess that would make Eddie Robinson the official all-time coaching win leader again, and make Bobby Bowden #1 in Division I.

The all time NCAA coaching win leader is John Gagliardi of St. John's University in Minnesota, a DIII school. He surpassed Robinson about 8 years ago.

9 posted on 07/23/2012 8:14:03 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: aft_lizard

“....vacate all wins from 1998-2011...”

OK, I’m not really a follower of college sports, so what does this really accomplish? It’s not like the kids who lost are suddenly gonna feel like they won. I guess what I’m asking is, does this really have any practical effect or is it just a “feel good” measure?


10 posted on 07/23/2012 8:14:45 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: hoagy62

For those now running it and playing in it and those in the future who will who had nothing to do with this.


11 posted on 07/23/2012 8:15:21 AM PDT by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: aft_lizard

Bu doing that they just convicted Paterno.


12 posted on 07/23/2012 8:15:41 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: hoagy62

In consideration for the local economy, which would be decimated if they took away football.


13 posted on 07/23/2012 8:17:13 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: aft_lizard

Someone help me on the scholi reduction.

20 per year for 4 years, means what?
I thought the max per year was 25, so that would leave them with 5 recruits per year?

If so, that IS the death penalty.


14 posted on 07/23/2012 8:17:40 AM PDT by JaxLaxDad
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To: hoagy62

SMU lost their whole football program because of cheating...this seems pretty lenient in comparison


15 posted on 07/23/2012 8:17:44 AM PDT by free-n-TX
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To: hoagy62

Oh come on. Does the Catholic Church still exist? This was the work of the coaching staff not the football players. Why should they be punished? I say this is about right with regards to the punishment. Much worse than most receive for similiar circumstances.


16 posted on 07/23/2012 8:18:26 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: aft_lizard

NCAA piling on to help their 2012 budget.


17 posted on 07/23/2012 8:18:45 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: JoeDetweiler

“... what does this really accomplish?”

Not sure. When I first read it.. I thought what did the players do?! Isn’t vacating those wins a punishment against the players who (from my understanding) had nothing to do with this at all? Granted, JoePa was the coach but the players were the ones who won the games.


18 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:01 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: dfwgator

Paterno’s all-time wins total goes from 409 to 298. ER, Bobby Bowden, Bear Bryant now above Paterno’s total. JoePa goes from 1st in Div I to 7th.


19 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:42 AM PDT by IndyTiger
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To: free-n-TX
SMU lost their whole football program because of cheating...this seems pretty lenient in comparison

No... SMU got the death penalty for cheating WHILE THEY WERE ON PROBATION...for previous cheating. They were, multiple, repeat offenders.

PSU's crime is more serious... but, they've never had any previous incidents. I think, this is what saved them from suspension of all football.

20 posted on 07/23/2012 8:21:16 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Paladin2
NCAA piling on to help their 2012 budget.

(1) "Piling on"? - they soft-pedaled instead of giving the program a richly-deserved death penalty.

(2) All the fines are being given directly to child abuse prevention programs and are not being paid to the NCAA.

21 posted on 07/23/2012 8:21:20 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: mylife

The NCAA is not a court of law.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:04 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: hoagy62

“But the football program STILL EXISTS.

WHY?”

I heard something about not wanting to levy the death penalty because it negate some cultural goals or gains or some such crap.

What I heard was they did not want to upset the homosexuals.

I agree, the death penalty should have been just the start of the punishment.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:04 AM PDT by crude77
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To: aft_lizard

Why not just shut down the program? What effect, for instance, does going back and changing the win loss ratio from 1998 forward? And why would anyone want to play in the Penn State program?


24 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:28 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: aft_lizard
But what about PSU's annual "C#ntfest," started by Spanier? Will that still take place?

Does Spanier keep his cushy professorship?

25 posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:48 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: aft_lizard

Also, any FB player who wants to stay at Penn St but NOT play football, will be allowed to keep their full scholarship without penalty.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:56 AM PDT by BamaDi ("The definition of a racist today is anyone who is winning an argument with a liberal.")
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To: Paladin2

If I were running Penn State, I would pull out of all NCAA sports and tell them all that Penn State and the State of Pennsylvania will take care of it’s own problems instead of paying a fine to an institution that is just as guilty of what it’s trying to assess the fine for.


27 posted on 07/23/2012 8:26:10 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: JaxLaxDad

I think it’s saying they can only field 65 players now instead of 85 per year.


28 posted on 07/23/2012 8:26:55 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: Random_User_250

It would seem so.


29 posted on 07/23/2012 8:28:13 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: IndyTiger
ER is nice but Division 1-A is a different beast in terms of the competition among recruiting against schools. Also Eddie Robinson's first wins were against unknown opponents, lol.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/southwestern/grambling_state/yearly_results.php?year=1945

30 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:28 AM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: johniegrad

I would worry about being in Division I after this is done, they might be better off doing Division I-AA where they could still compete for titles.

They might as well blow up Beaver Stadium, or at least remove about half of their seats.


31 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:51 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: JaxLaxDad
If so, that IS the death penalty.

That was my reaction as well, but I'd be interested in a full explanation from those "in the know," if my understanding of how the NCAA scholarship rules work is wrong.

At first glance, what the NCAA has done here may be rather clever, in addition to appropriately harsh. From what I gather, that $60 million fine is roughly equivalent to the revenues generated by the Penn State football program for one season. So, the school gets to keep its beloved football this season, but doesn't make any money from it. "You guys like football that much? Fine. Trying playing this whole season for nothing." The jock-sniffers get their Saturday afternoon entertainment, the hot-dog vendors can still sell their wares, and the State College economy isn't totally crushed, but the school takes it in the pocketbook.

Vacating Paterno's wins from 1998 may seem a meaningless symbolic gesture to some, but as Paterno's pursuit of the "all-time" Division 1 record was apparently that sad old man's obsession in his last days -- and may well have been what ultimately underpinned his willingness to, at a minimum, "look the other way" as to Sandusky -- it's a nice "twisting of the knife" in context. It's the NCAA's own way of "taking down the statue," as it were it.

And, as you say, if the NCAA really did reduce Penn State's allotment of scholarships as is being reported here, then they've killed Penn State as a Divsion 1 program without actually "killing it."

I hope all this proves to be the case.

32 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:15 AM PDT by DSH
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To: aft_lizard

sanctions?

what a joke

unless they’re going to focus on the homosexual that molested the kids... and the fact that homosexuals are 20+ times more likely to molest kids... then it’s all just an attack on a conservative

companies must be held liable if any kids are molested by homosexuals under their employ... since those employers put the kids in harms way by allowing the homosexual access to them


33 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:22 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: wideawake
Former preezzy (and current faculty member) Spanier apparently escapes responsibility.

Punishing the school seems to be the wrong approach. Where does the NCAA get its jurisdiction and power?

Punishing the actual perps and enablers would be much better Justice.

34 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:52 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: hoagy62
But the football program STILL EXISTS.

Probably because the NCAA is on shakey legal ground with all this. There's already a report that PSU has retained legal counsel, so it might be challenged.

The reason for the stiff fine is that the NCAA's "Death Penalty" is reserved for programs that are already on probation. PSU is NOW on probation, but wasn't before the Sandusky-affair. So the NCAA is fining PSU the equivalent of 1 year's revenue of the PSU football program (interesting that they know the amount).

35 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:14 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Truth29

Just change the official name of the university to Pedo State. Put a statue of a crying child nearby the statue of Joe as he averts his eyes in perpetuity. Anyone who wants to be associated with the school after that is free to do so.


36 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:44 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: momtothree

By covering up Sandusky’s behavior, Penn State won a lot of games they would not have won otherwise. That was the whole consideration for the cover-up, keeping the football program at a high level. That’s why vacating the wins is perfectly justified, IMHO.


37 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:05 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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It’s tough to see where the draw is going to come from. They will get demolished by even the weakest sisters in the Big Ten. Paterno is retired so people won’t come out for that reason. They will have to rely on the tradition that they had before Sandusky.


38 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:41 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Dixie Yooper
Yeh, it's long been my opinion the the NCAA needs to move out of Indianapolis, Indiana.
39 posted on 07/23/2012 8:34:30 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: aft_lizard

Penn State is now officially a basketball school.


40 posted on 07/23/2012 8:34:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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NCAA limits scholarships in 2 ways... the total number AND the max number of NEW scholarships that you can give in any year.

So I’m guessing that PSU’s total scholarships are to be reduced by 20 total, AND the number of new scholarships that they can give each year is reduced by 10.


41 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:05 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Paladin2

Umm..the money goes to charity.


42 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:05 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: free-n-TX

Agree. Lenient.

But Penn State toon steps after the facts came out. SMU never did any corrective action.

Plus, SMU wasn’t a traditional north eastern school. They always get the breaks. SMU was an upstart and the traditional power schools wanted them out. Of course, they were also paying briefcases of cash to players.

Check out the ESPN 30 for 30 story on SMU.


43 posted on 07/23/2012 8:38:15 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Tallguy

Giving SMU the death penalty didn’t put too many companies out of business here in Dallas. Getting rid of PSU Football would put a lot of companies out of business, and I am not certain that these penalties won’t have the same effect. But that probably was a consideration when deciding on the Death Penalty.


44 posted on 07/23/2012 8:38:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: aft_lizard
"charity."?

More like a University run NGO (with high salaries and expenses and such), it sounds like. Spanier could easily be appointed to run it.

Why should the people of Pennsylvania and State Penn students pay the fine instead of the actual perps and enablers?

45 posted on 07/23/2012 8:39:54 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Former preezzy (and current faculty member) Spanier apparently escapes responsibility.

One would hope that this degenerate gets his comeuppance in the near future. But the legal process does grind slowly.

46 posted on 07/23/2012 8:41:07 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: aft_lizard

I wonder if the coaches are going to hang around after this, I know I wouldn’t. But certainly they did have to know something was going to happen when they took the job.


47 posted on 07/23/2012 8:41:43 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: sten

That conservative covered up a crime for 13 years. Beyond that it’s not the NCAA’s job to police sexuality or administer the criminal law but to enforce their bylaws. I am just saddened by how many people try and defend the AD at PSU for this. If Sandusky was just a teacher and JoePa knew nothing about it then you would have a point. But the facts of the case is that the athletic department and JoePa actively covered this up to protect their image, to protect their jobs and to protect Joe’s wins. Sorry but this may be too light in my opinion.


48 posted on 07/23/2012 8:42:56 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: Paladin2

If the taxpayers pay the fine maybe they will realize that state universities shouldn’t exist to provide taxpayer funded minor leagues for the NFL and the NBA.


49 posted on 07/23/2012 8:44:13 AM PDT by wrcase
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To: Paladin2

I am sure this would come out of TV revenue, ticket sales and not any taxpayers wallets.


50 posted on 07/23/2012 8:44:35 AM PDT by aft_lizard
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