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NCAA imposes stiff penalties on Penn State
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | July 23, 2012 | Jeremy Roebuck

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:24:17 AM PDT by Zakeet

College sports' governing body today suspended Penn State's football team from postseason bowl play for four years and fined the university $60 million for its handling of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.

The team also must vacate all wins from 1998 through 2011.

"The career record of former head football coach Joe Paterno will reflect these vacated records," the NCAA said in a statement. "Penn State must also reduce 10 initial and 20 total scholarships each year for a four-year period. In addition, the NCAA reserves the right to impose additional sanctions on involved individuals at the conclusion of any criminal proceedings."

The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said.

"The NCAA recognizes that student-athletes are not responsible for these events and worked to minimize the impact of its sanctions on current and incoming football student-athletes," the statement said. "Any entering or returning student-athlete will be allowed to immediately transfer and compete at another school. Further, any football student-athletes who remain at the university may retain their scholarships, regardless of whether they compete on the team."

(Excerpt) Read more at philly.com ...


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KEYWORDS: absolutemorals; coverup; homosexualagenda; ncaa; pennstate; sandusky
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To: Zakeet
Joe Pa is now known as Joe Ped.
As in Pedophile enabler.
2 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:58 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: Zakeet

And that’s the end of PSU as a football power, probably for decades.


3 posted on 07/23/2012 8:28:40 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (I didn't post this. Someone else did.)
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To: Zakeet

I don’t like the fine. I think the rest of it is ok, but I don’t understand the fine. The victims are going to sue (rightfully so), and every cent the school has should go to them. Just my own opinion.


4 posted on 07/23/2012 8:29:33 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: Zakeet

Guess the Big Ten is pleased they hitched their wagon to this star.

BTW, Paterno is getting a bum rap. (MO)


5 posted on 07/23/2012 8:29:53 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: Zakeet

I don’t understand the wins being vacated. What do they mean, all wins struck from the record as if the games never happened?


6 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:38 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (Some day our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Zakeet

I am no Penn State fan (and my alma mater, UNC, has troubles of its own with the NCAA), but I don’t see why the NCAA has jurisdiction in this particular case. I understand that football coaches are involved, but does this really involve the football program in any real way? Now, I believe Penn State is accontable for these terrible actions and failures to act. I just don’t believe that the NCAA is the right body to deal with it.


7 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:41 AM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Zakeet
If the $60 million isn't being given to child abuse prevention charities then the NCAA is as guilty as Penn State in profiting off of Sandusky.
8 posted on 07/23/2012 8:30:41 AM PDT by apillar
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To: traderrob6

IIRC, the BIG10 may be penalizing PSU also.

It’s a shame that the football players will suffer from these sanctions.


9 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: Zakeet

I would have liked to have seen a 2-year ‘Death Penalty’ but I wasn’t expecting a four year bowl ban but that’s cool too.

JoePa got taken away what he wanted most...the win record. ‘Success with Honor’ what a crock that was.


10 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Zakeet

Justice.


11 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:18 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: traderrob6

No, “bum rap” sounds more like what Sandusky liked to give to little boys.


12 posted on 07/23/2012 8:32:50 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: NCLaw441

Head coach covers it up? Other coaches know.

Yes. That’s the football program and a breach of the public trust and conduct expected from any adult, much less one entrusted to train and teach young men.


13 posted on 07/23/2012 8:34:23 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: traderrob6
I guess everyone except JoePa is entitled to due process.
14 posted on 07/23/2012 8:34:30 AM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: apillar
From the article:
The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said.
15 posted on 07/23/2012 8:35:09 AM PDT by Clara Lou
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To: USMCWife6869

“These funds must be paid into an endowment for external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university,”


16 posted on 07/23/2012 8:35:35 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: DeaconRed

Somewhere Rene Portland is laughing her tail off.


17 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:12 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: apillar
From the article:

"The fines are to be paid into an endowment for non-university programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims, the NCAA said. "

18 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:31 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: USMCWife6869; apillar

The money will be going to help abused children, not lining the NCAA’s pockets. I believe the NCAA is acting with its bylaws by fining them.


19 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:31 AM PDT by EEGator
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This is “stiff”?

“Stiff” would be “Shut down the Department of Athletics for a decade”.

Which would be well-deserved.


20 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:31 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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Most wins of any big college coach.
21 posted on 07/23/2012 8:37:16 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: Zakeet

I think this is a criminal case. People need to go to jail. Aren’t all the people involved in the cover up gone? I don’t see why the NCAA needs to punish the innocent people at Penn State who are left to deal with the shame.

Not a PSU fan, BTW.


22 posted on 07/23/2012 8:37:55 AM PDT by ryan71
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To: ltc8k6

According to the article, they can transfer without penalty, and if they choose to stay, can keep their scholarship whether they play or not. I’m pleased with that, at least.


23 posted on 07/23/2012 8:38:02 AM PDT by USMCWife6869
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To: USMCWife6869
I don’t understand the fine. The victims are going to sue (rightfully so), and every cent the school has should go to them.

The victims can only sue to recoup individual impacts, such as ongoing need for therapy, etc. There is nothing compelling them to share the money with agencies to help potential victims in other circumstances, as this fine will do. It will go to non-Penn State organizations dealing with ways to eradicate or ameliorate the effects of child sex abuse.

24 posted on 07/23/2012 8:38:07 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Perdogg

What’s your point?

He’s dead.

If he were still alive and went on trial for covering-up child sexual abuse, do you think that the verdict would be substantially different than that of Jerry Sandusky?


25 posted on 07/23/2012 8:39:04 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: ryan71

because it makes people feel good.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 8:39:59 AM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: traderrob6
BTW, Paterno is getting a bum rap. (MO)

Surely you jest. I only wish he had lived long enough to get it in person.

And what's up with Mrs. Sandusky? She needs a long rest in the Graybar Hotel.

27 posted on 07/23/2012 8:40:03 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: DuncanWaring

It would destroy the local economy. Why should people who have nothing to do with this crime pay the price? Go after all involved financially and criminally.


28 posted on 07/23/2012 8:40:41 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: DeaconRed

The University did something wrong, so they’re punishing the players??????

Really is Obamaland. :)


29 posted on 07/23/2012 8:40:59 AM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: NCLaw441

The actions of Sandusky were covered up in order to prevent damage to the football program. That is the definition of an “unfair advantage,” the whole basis of all NCAA rules regarding recruiting, etc. The difference between this and, say, a player getting a ride across campus in a golf cart, is that these actions rise to the level of a criminal offense.


30 posted on 07/23/2012 8:41:36 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: bjorn14

4 year bowl ban is better than a death penalty. It allows every one of their current scholarship players to walk.


31 posted on 07/23/2012 8:42:33 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: EEGator

It makes a point that this sort of thing WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

If I go out and rob a bank and get sent to prison for decades, thus making it impossible for me to make a living, it would destroy my household economy, and people who had nothing to do with the crime would pay the price.

Does that mean that if I rob a bank I shouldn’t go to prison?


32 posted on 07/23/2012 8:43:45 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: traderrob6
"BTW, Paterno is getting a bum rap. (MO)"

I disagree. Joe knew it a while back and choose to do nothing, hoping against hope it would go away.
It didn't go away and he should have known it would not go away.
As for those saying the NCAA doesn't have authority, I disagree with that also.
The scandal was part of the football program. Even if Sandusky was the only one involved molesting the young boys. The University took steps to cover it up.
The NCAA took the correct steps to punish severely the football program. If nothing else it sends a message to the other schools that pedophilia will NOT be tolerated.

33 posted on 07/23/2012 8:44:04 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: DuncanWaring

We live in America, not Cuba or Iran , people are entitled to the presumption of innocence. I thought we believed in the 4th amendment as conservatives. I guess we just decide when we don’t like someone that individual is guilty of something. That is my point.


34 posted on 07/23/2012 8:44:21 AM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: DuncanWaring

A completely ridiculous comparison, and not worthy of detailed discussion.


35 posted on 07/23/2012 8:45:55 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: USMCWife6869
The victims are going to sue (rightfully so), and every cent the school has should go to them. Just my own opinion.

I don't see a reason to think that the victims won't received a just settlement in the courts. This money comes from the Athletic Department. The school as a whole will have a lot of explaining to do when this comes to court.

36 posted on 07/23/2012 8:47:18 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: Perdogg

“Presumption of innocence” is not just a blind mantra we hum.

The standard for conviction in a criminal case is “guilty beyond a reasonable doubt”.

There can be no reasonable doubt that Joe Paterno did not know what Jerry Sandusky was doing.


37 posted on 07/23/2012 8:47:48 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: USMCWife6869

“”The victims are going to sue (rightfully so), and every cent the school has should go to them””


The lawsuits will be over and above the $60 million fine. It would be doubtful that the lawsuits will bankrupt the “Tickle Me Lions”


38 posted on 07/23/2012 8:48:20 AM PDT by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Perdogg

Paterno’s huge mistake was in not insisting that Sandusky be completely barred from campus until the allegations were completely investigated and a decision made. I don’t think Paterno had any intention to enable Sandusky, but Paterno’s decision not to take a strong stance had the effect of enabling. Paterno had clear responsibility which he failed to fulfil, but he is not the monster that some are trying to make him out to be.


39 posted on 07/23/2012 8:48:34 AM PDT by littleharbour
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To: DuncanWaring
It makes a point that this sort of thing WILL NOT BE TOLERATED.

If I go out and rob a bank and get sent to prison for decades, thus making it impossible for me to make a living, it would destroy my household economy, and people who had nothing to do with the crime would pay the price.

Does that mean that if I rob a bank I shouldn’t go to prison?


This isn't sending the bank robber to prison. This is after they're sent to prison, the police coming in to take the clothes and books away from the kids because they shouldn't have profited from the bank robbery.
40 posted on 07/23/2012 8:48:37 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: EEGator

I’ll take that as an admission I’m right.


41 posted on 07/23/2012 8:49:19 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Zakeet
The team also must vacate all wins from 1998 through 2011.

Talk about rewriting history.

42 posted on 07/23/2012 8:50:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: bjorn14; Colofornian
JoePa got taken away what he wanted most...the win record.

Not sure if he was right with God at the time of death, but if he wasn't I'm sure Satan's minions will be reading this judgment to him for all eternity.

43 posted on 07/23/2012 8:50:30 AM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: traderrob6
BTW, Paterno is getting a bum rap.

He covered up Sandusky, in order to win more games, he was obsessed with being the all-time winningest coach, and we saw what lengths he would go to to get that record.

The thing is, had he nipped it in the bud, and turned in Sandusky when he first found out, he would have been looked upon as a hero, and he might have gone on to even greater heights.

44 posted on 07/23/2012 8:51:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"And that’s the end of PSU as a football power, probably for decades."

If it were up to me to deal out the punishment I would impose a lifetime ban on all sports programs AND give everyone involved (From the Dean to the janitors) 20 years in"Big Boy Prison" and put them in the general population.

45 posted on 07/23/2012 8:52:13 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Perdogg
People are entitled to the presumption of innocence in a court of law. We also are entitled to free speech.

NCAA is not a court of law. They investigate and impose sanctions under their own guidelines as is their right.

Penn State can add or remove statues without the government's approval.

46 posted on 07/23/2012 8:52:34 AM PDT by outpostinmass2
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To: DeaconRed

This Commonwealth of Pennsyltucky is absolutely overrun with JoePa Kool-Aid Drinkers.

We are also a key swing state. Look for King Barry Hussein I to insert himself in this and to attempt to blunt the sanctions in order to curry favor.


47 posted on 07/23/2012 8:53:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: DuncanWaring

So.....basically the NCAA (along with the media) is pinning these crimes and any knowledge solely on PSU and apparently the one guy who is no longer here to defend himself.

I guess no one else, at other universities, had any knowledge of these crimes and chose to remain silent.

Yea, right......


48 posted on 07/23/2012 8:53:19 AM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: rwilson99

“Maureen Theresa “Rene” Muth Portland (born c. 1952) is an American former head women’s college basketball coach known for her 27-year tenure with the Penn State Lady Lions basketball team. Her career resume includes 21 NCAA tournament appearances including a Final Four appearance in 2000, five Big Ten Conference championships and two conference tournament titles. Portland is one of few women’s basketball coaches to have won 600 or more games at a single school, with a career record of 606–236 at Penn State. She is accused of discriminating against homosexual players of the Penn State women’s basketball team.”

“Portland forbade lesbian activity among athletes in her program, as she explained in a newspaper article:

One of the first things Penn State coach Rene Portland brings up during a recruiting visit with a prospective player and her parents is lesbian activity. “I will not have it in my program,” Portland said. “I bring it up and the kids are so relieved and the parents are so relieved. But they would probably go without asking the question otherwise, which is really dumb.”

— The Chicago Sun-Times, June 16, 1986[6]

“In 2006, former player Jennifer Harris accused Portland of removing her from the team because of her perceived sexual orientation. Harris filed a federal lawsuit against Portland, athletic director Tim Curley, and the university. An internal university review found that Portland created a “hostile, intimidating, and offensive environment” based on Harris’s perceived sexual orientation. Portland was fined $10,000, required to attend diversity training sessions, and placed on “zero tolerance” for future violations of the nondiscrimination policy.”

“On March 22, 2007, Penn State Intercollegiate Athletics announced Portland’s resignation, effective immediately”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rene_Portland


49 posted on 07/23/2012 8:53:19 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: Perdogg

Most conservatives know it’s the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution that guarantees the right to a trial.


50 posted on 07/23/2012 8:54:09 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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