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Marines Pick Colt for New Pistol
Military.com ^ | 7/20/12 | Matthew Cox

Posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:45 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft

The Marine Corps has tapped Colt Defense LLC to make more than 10,000 new Close Quarter Battle Pistols for the service's elite special operations troops.

The July 19 contract, which has a total value of $22.5 million, brings an end to the Corps' exhaustive search for the top .45 caliber, 1911-style pistol to replace the fleet of worn-out Marine Corps Forces Special Operations Command, or MARSOC, M45 pistols

(Excerpt) Read more at military.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: 191145cal; banglist; colt; militaryspending; usmc
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Am I reading correctly? The 1911 is back in action? I always wondered why they even thought of replacing it. I know special units had requested that they get the ole 1911 out of storage. If it works fix it comes to mind. The M9 probably worked great for the Italian Army but why did we adopt it? Italian Army?? Come on. It had to be because they were cheap? I'm sure the new 1911s will be a lot more accurate.
1 posted on 07/23/2012 8:20:50 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
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To: Bringbackthedraft

The 1911 was too large a grip for the female hand, and the recoil was “unpleasant”.

Snickers quietly while types...


2 posted on 07/23/2012 8:23:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

It doesn’t come in those fabulous rainbow colors either.


3 posted on 07/23/2012 8:25:14 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Double stack mags?


4 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:08 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: GladesGuru

Yup, some things we can do, some things we can’t and that’s firing that nasty thing. I tried my dad’s 1911A1 and only lasted two shots. Hit the target but no way I want to shoot that thing again. I use my Beretta Tomcat .32cal.


5 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:24 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: GladesGuru

I’ve also read that the Army felt that the average soldier could better keep the M9 on target. I’ve never shot the Baretta, but I have used other similarly sized 9MM semi-auto pistols. I must be the exception that proves the rule, because I shoot a 1911 better. Much better.


6 posted on 07/23/2012 8:27:53 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

The 1911 is back in action? YAY!!!


7 posted on 07/23/2012 8:28:12 PM PDT by Blado (When the government controls your healthcare it owns your body and you are a slave.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Geez. A 1911 and they’re paying $1875 apiece!


8 posted on 07/23/2012 8:28:51 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: SkyDancer

>>Yup, some things we can do, some things we can’t and that’s firing that nasty thing. I tried my dad’s 1911A1 and only lasted two shots

Hmmm. My daughter was firing mine with standard loads when she was 10, and she was petite, so I would have to put it down to technique.


9 posted on 07/23/2012 8:31:02 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Bryanw92

$1875... Damn. They could get some custom Dan Wesson specials and have money left over.


10 posted on 07/23/2012 8:33:24 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: Bringbackthedraft

My understanding is they agreed to go to the 9mm since it was NATO policy to use common calibers. That meant 9mm since all the other nations used it.

The Air Force did the original tests which were very thorough. This was done at Eglin AFB in Florida. The Beretta was the only pistol which survived the tests.

The Army being unhappy with the Air Force being given the original tests insisted that they should do the testing. In the second round of tests, only the SIG P226 and Beretta passed all phases. I have read that it was awarded the contract on price as there was basically no difference in the two guns performance. They both had performed superbly.

Some of the special forces types wanted other guns such as the SIG or HK in .45 or the old 1911 and were given permission to purchase them for their own needs.

Now it looks like the 1911a1 will be back for a full department, the Marines. Probably should have just kept it.


11 posted on 07/23/2012 8:36:02 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Bryanw92

You could get a decent STI for that money. The Spartan is only $800...

:-(


12 posted on 07/23/2012 8:40:01 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Tallguy

I have a Beretta 92FS and a series 80, gold cup, national match Colt 45. I can shoot the Beretta fine, but I swat flies on the woodpile with the Colt. Granted I’m comparing an average Beretta to a Cadillac Colt.


13 posted on 07/23/2012 8:41:02 PM PDT by Usually_Disappointed (I think the tree of liberty is getting thirsty...)
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To: Tallguy

What we have here is a failure to learn history. Why was the .45 adopted in the first place. The .45 was adopted due the the Army .38 revolvers’ abysmal failure to put down Moslem insurrectionists who were whacked to the eyeballs in the Phillipines in 1902. In Iraq, post-mortems in Iraqi insurrectionists revealed that these men were doped to the eyeballs and that the 9mm and, for that matter, the 5.56mm rounds were marginal at best for bbringing them down.
Especially in its military hard-ball form, the 9mm is NOT a reliable man-stopper.


14 posted on 07/23/2012 8:45:28 PM PDT by JayVee (Joseph)
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To: GladesGuru

Hehe. The 1911 45 has the sweetest recoil this side of 22LR.


15 posted on 07/23/2012 8:46:55 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: expat1000

I was using two handed hold. What is weird though, I shot a Desert Eagle in .44mag and it was okay. Had no problem with that.


16 posted on 07/23/2012 8:47:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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Never thought I would hear something like that from a woman with your capabilities. My petite wife shoots my .45 so well
it's scary. She shot my .44 mag once (all six) rolled her
eyes, and said. “I guess it's a guy thing”. I am blessed.
17 posted on 07/23/2012 8:48:45 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: CrazyIvan

But I shot the Desert Eagle in .44mag okay though. Go figger.


18 posted on 07/23/2012 8:53:02 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: GladesGuru

Excuse me? See my screen name? I’m a happily married mama of a (soon to be) four year old boy and (soon to be) one year old girl. I am out of practice because nursing makes shooting just a bit uncomfortable, but as of last week I’m ready to roll! I can’t wait to get to the range and practice the skill that earned me a college scholarship ; )


19 posted on 07/23/2012 8:53:57 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

So a Colt is worth $2,200?

I don’t believe it and they are great guns.


20 posted on 07/23/2012 8:57:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

How soon before they become available to the general public? I want one before Obi/Holder gang outlaws them.../s


21 posted on 07/23/2012 9:00:35 PM PDT by donozark (Col. C.Beckwith:I'd rather go down the river with 7 studs than with a hundred shitheads.)
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To: expat1000

Bingo!...it kicks a little...most get over it and drop down again and fire for affect......


22 posted on 07/23/2012 9:02:23 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: Hardraade

Speaking of Colt style .45s, has anyone shot one of the older Detonics. Hows the recoil on that compared to a full size .45?


23 posted on 07/23/2012 9:02:42 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: Vendome

My guess is that there is a significant “overhead” in supplying a DoD customer — to include, possibly, safety cases that will only be used once (for shipment), instructions (that no one will read), briefings by Colt reps (to which no one will listen), and — it is to hoped — some significant support requirements on the part of Colt to service defective parts. (Just my speculation.)

P.S. Hope the Corps sells some of their used .45s as surplus in a couple years!


24 posted on 07/23/2012 9:13:20 PM PDT by man_in_tx (Islam is a Hate Crime. (Blowback: Faithfully farting towards Mecca five times daily!))
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To: Bringbackthedraft
The .45 ACP was designed specifically to drop moslem Juramentados.
25 posted on 07/23/2012 9:16:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I LIKE ART! Click my name. See my web page.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I was raised on a 45 and never bought in to all that designer pistol stuff.A combat commander is ideal and stops them right in their tracks if not right on their ass.I glad to see what was old is new again.


26 posted on 07/23/2012 9:17:00 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: mnehring
$1875... Damn. They could get some custom Dan Wesson specials and have money left over.

I could get 3x .45cal and some ammo at Bass ProShops for that price!

27 posted on 07/23/2012 9:34:08 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Don't think for a minute that this excuse for a President has America's best interest in mind.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Am I reading correctly $2,250 per pistol? Do you think Colt can build them for this price?

This is where our tax dollars go.

Outrageous!


28 posted on 07/23/2012 9:56:50 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average, they voted for oblabla.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
lets hope so... Para Ordnance has made 14+1 .45's for a long time
29 posted on 07/23/2012 10:03:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Dead Corpse

“You could get a decent STI for that money. The Spartan is only $800...”

...or a bunch of the Springfield Range Officer model...or (heaven forefend!) the Springfield USGI model...or the Ruger...or the Remington...or the S&W...

Lots of great 1911s out there these days! Hard to go wrong (for most of us).

I’d fit the bunch with Wilson mags (just sayin’)...


30 posted on 07/23/2012 10:04:03 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

Hmm.. I’m looking at the Kimber Ultra CDP II for my Conceal weapon. I like the 1911 choice here.


31 posted on 07/23/2012 10:05:58 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

So when can us civvies pick up a copy?
(Yes, two grand for a gun done right is reasonable.)


32 posted on 07/23/2012 10:08:42 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: man_in_tx

My Kimbers came in a nice little black case with a smallish owners manual and a dumb California lock.

They are better than the Colt and I say that as a Colt owner.

Someone is making commission.


33 posted on 07/23/2012 10:10:23 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: man_in_tx; Bringbackthedraft; Vendome

From the article:

“Marine officials would not discuss the individual price for each new pistol. But the $22.5 million contract to Colt will allow the Corps to buy replacements for the new pistols as they wear out, Clark said. The contract also includes some money for spare parts.

“The contract is built so we can re-buy the approved acquisitions objective three times, so we can buy 4,000 guns three times,” Clark said. “These pistols will be getting used a lot; deployed a lot so the guns are going to get shot out.””


34 posted on 07/23/2012 10:12:00 PM PDT by united1000
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To: Vendome
This is what I want for my next purchase.


35 posted on 07/23/2012 10:13:21 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC3IGts3Dyk


36 posted on 07/23/2012 10:18:10 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Those who support the lesser of two evils have already succumbed to the greater evil.)
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To: united1000

Now it makes sense.

I can buy that and don’t know why I didn’t think about armory costs.


37 posted on 07/23/2012 10:19:11 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: JayVee

Back when the switch was made (during the Cold War), having good penetration against Warsaw Pact body armor was a reasonable enough concern.


38 posted on 07/23/2012 10:59:20 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: Sequoyah101
“Am I reading correctly $2,250 per pistol?”

Probably right. Overcharging the government is an old Colt tradition. During the Civil War, Colt was charging $20.00 for a .44 Army. Remington charged them with ‘price gouging’ and sold their 1858 New Army .44 Revolvers (which was superior to the Colt thanks to the top strap and notch safty) to the government for $12.00 (I think). Forcing Colt to drop their price to $15.00.

39 posted on 07/23/2012 11:08:24 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: SkyDancer

My Wife’s fav defensive handgun is the 3” cylinder Taurus Judge in .45 Colt /.410 with six triple ought buck. And she is 71 years old.

There is a reason the John Browning 1911 design in .45 acp is still preferred after 100 years of service. If one has to ask the question as to why, they will not understand the answer.


40 posted on 07/23/2012 11:10:19 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: expat1000

Anyone who thinks the 1911A1 is too large and has bad recoil, to each their own I guess.

IMO, it is the most natural pointing handgun for instinctive shooting ever made. For close in combat type practice, (25 yards or less) I never use the sights, just point and shoot gets it done, nuff said.


41 posted on 07/23/2012 11:24:52 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: JayVee
Why was the .45 [ACP] adopted in the first place. The .45 was adopted due the the Army .38 revolvers’ abysmal failure to put down Moslem insurrectionists …

It should also be noted that the .45 ACP was designed to approximate the ballistics of the .45 Colt.

42 posted on 07/23/2012 11:25:01 PM PDT by kitchen (Over gunned is better than the alternative.)
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To: Solson
I got this 1943 vintage RR 1911A1 several decades ago for 20 bucks. It was pretty beat up from having been hauled around in a tool box of heavy wrenches on back of a D-8 Cat for several years. I cleaned it up, relieved ejection port and slapped a set of the old Micro sights on it. Using said sights for aimed fire with original barrel, it is amazingly accurate. Photobucket
43 posted on 07/23/2012 11:47:41 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: SkyDancer

>>I was using two handed hold. What is weird though, I shot a Desert Eagle in .44mag and it was okay. Had no problem with that.

Then I would say it’s a question of where you were gripping the weapon. The ‘how’ was probably okay if you were comfortable with the Desert Eagle, but my guess is your hands were probably a little too low on the grip - not snugged up right against the frame. That would make shooting it quite uncomfortable.


44 posted on 07/24/2012 12:02:56 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: Sea Parrot

I love the 1911 - all flavors and variations as long as they are made by Colt, from Gold Cup to lightweight Commander.

A 1911 Gov’t .45 and an M14 - who needs anything else? :-)


45 posted on 07/24/2012 12:10:42 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I just read the article. The new .45 comes in “coyote tan”.

First, gays openly in the military. Next, uniforms allowed in the gay pride parade. Finally, “what shade do you want your pistol in?”

Great googly moogly, we live in strange times.


46 posted on 07/24/2012 12:15:40 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: Bringbackthedraft
Am I reading correctly? The 1911 is back in action? I always wondered why they even thought of replacing it.

Girl service, uh, persons. And trying to maintain ammo commonality with NATO. Now that they've all gone more or less commie, it's as likely we'll be fighting against them as side-by-side so it probably doesn't matter much any more.

47 posted on 07/24/2012 12:30:41 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: meatloaf
has anyone shot one of the older Detonics. Hows the recoil on that compared to a full size .45?

Yes.
Noticeably more pronounced....noticeably.

48 posted on 07/24/2012 2:20:41 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: yarddog

“My understanding is they agreed to go to the 9mm since it was NATO policy to use common calibers. That meant 9mm since all the other nations used it.”

Bingo!


49 posted on 07/24/2012 4:36:13 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SkyDancer

Janey, I too love my old Clt .32 semi auto BUT the knock down power of my Kimber is amazing.
You still flying in australia? RV6A flying here.


50 posted on 07/24/2012 5:20:07 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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