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Vanity - petition to drop Penn State sports programming
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Posted on 07/24/2012 9:46:02 AM PDT by bassmaner

Calling all Philly area Freepers: we need to convince management of WNTP 990 AM to drop Penn State sports programming. After the Sandusky scandal, they won't be able to justify their continuing pre-emptions of regularly scheduled talk radio programs, as ratings for games and sports talk will no doubt collapse.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Sports
KEYWORDS: pennstate; sandusky; sports; talkradio
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1 posted on 07/24/2012 9:46:08 AM PDT by bassmaner
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To: bassmaner

I take Mark Levin’s position.

Don’t punish the students or their parents for Sandusky and the rest of the facilities crimes.’

They need to do a staff-ectomy in Penn State and just replace ALL of the involved staff.

Anymore and you are punishing the students who enrolled and didn’t know at the time they were enrolling in a viper’s den.


2 posted on 07/24/2012 9:56:59 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: seekthetruth; Lancey Howard; HarleyLady27; pete385; huldah1776; Lazlo in PA

ping


3 posted on 07/24/2012 9:59:36 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner
It takes courage to kick somebody when they're down, doesn't it?
4 posted on 07/24/2012 10:00:38 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: bassmaner

As a person that lives in this great state...I got to say this;

Do you understand the cultural and monetary impact the NCAA’s decision will inflict not just in not so Happy Valley but statewide?

No?

Then you need to bone up on what constitutes quilt by association and what does not.

Yes?

Then I take it you have a guberment job?


5 posted on 07/24/2012 10:02:56 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: bassmaner

I take Mark Levin’s position.

Don’t punish the students or their parents for Sandusky and the rest of the facilities crimes.’

They need to do a staff-ectomy in Penn State and just replace ALL of the involved staff.

Anymore and you are punishing the students who enrolled and didn’t know at the time they were enrolling in a viper’s den.


6 posted on 07/24/2012 10:06:29 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It takes diligence to finish the job. The entire Ped state sports program needs to be re-staffed.


7 posted on 07/24/2012 10:08:38 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

It takes diligence to finish the job. The entire Ped state sports program needs to be re-staffed.


8 posted on 07/24/2012 10:10:08 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; winoneforthegipper
It's not so much about Penn State sports, but more about the annoying practice of talk radio outlets pre-empting regularly scheduled shows for sports programming. After the Sandusky affair, I'm sure they won't be able to use ratings to continue to justify it.

So much valuable radio air time is wasted talking about sports (Hewitt gets pre-empted at least once a week), when we need to have every voice engaged to raise awareness about what we face if our side fails in November. That was my main point.

9 posted on 07/24/2012 10:11:34 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: muir_redwoods
So your solution is to punish the innocent along with the guilty.

How progressive of you.

10 posted on 07/24/2012 10:11:44 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: bassmaner

Well I suppose each of us have our own likes...but this is not the time....lol


11 posted on 07/24/2012 10:14:24 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: bassmaner

So they’ll just replace the Penn State games with Temple or Villanova games, will that work for you?


12 posted on 07/24/2012 10:17:35 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: bassmaner
Oh, so you are exploiting an unfortunate situation for your own benefit.

How nice.

13 posted on 07/24/2012 10:18:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: bassmaner

Don’t punish the innocent. Athletes won’t choose penn state as much right now anyway. But don’t punish the innocent tennis player, runner, gymnast and their families who have struggled to get their kids to college.

Just fire every higher up at the university who could have done something but did not.

When something illegal is going on at a location, everyone Might be rounded up. But those who are found to have known nothing and are truly innocent are let go. It’s bad enough that the athletes are stuck finishing out their college years at Perv State.


14 posted on 07/24/2012 10:20:40 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: bassmaner

Gee, that’s cool

I hope if they take off PSU sports, they replace it with sports broadcasting from Bryn Mawr

How about field hockey!

Sticks Up Owls!


15 posted on 07/24/2012 10:21:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: dfwgator
If they can justify it via ratings, well, that's their business decision. Actually, they can do whatever they want, ratings be damned. And it's my decision to tune out.

It's not even so much the games: it's the damn talk shows ... Hewitt gets pre-empted every Thursday night for PSU football talk. I can't imagine that there will be many listeners tuning in to discuss football minutia (sp?) in the wake of the scandal.

(And yes, I know they always state that regularly scheduled shows are streamed over the web during sportscasts. Lots of good that does when I'm driving, which is usually when I listen to talk radio.)

16 posted on 07/24/2012 10:31:45 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: silverleaf
Isn't that what WIP 610 AM is for? Just sayin' ...

I guess the real reason that talk radio station management continues the practice of sports pre-emptions is to provide cover in case the Fairness Doctrine is ever re-imposed, which would likely happen if {shudder} 0bama is re-elected.

17 posted on 07/24/2012 10:44:15 AM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: bassmaner

I know there is a lot of outrage over the cover up, and there should be. I do think we need to be careful so as not to punish the students, et al who had nothing to do with the cover up.


18 posted on 07/24/2012 10:44:20 AM PDT by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: GraceG

Right. Why punish the new students and the future economy of central Pennsylvania. I want to know why Spanier is still walking the streets and why his wife is still employed there. He needs to be behind bars. The POS is the one who brought an agenda to make Penn State the “most gay friendly”. He was in on the cover up.


19 posted on 07/24/2012 10:48:59 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Yaelle
I was born and raised in Western PA...my folks and siblings are still there. My brother has his BS and MS from PSU, and I often enjoyed visiting him on campus during his years there, so I'm not unfamiliar with the territory or the potential impact.

I'm by no means a subscriber to notions of "collective salvation" or "collective damnation", but I also believe that when people hitch their wagon to a cause or organiztion they will rise and fall with it. During the course of my life, Paterno evolved from a college football coach, to a winning college football coach, to a legendary college football coach, to a demigod; this did not happen in a vacuum.

Statistics and results on the field made him a winning coach, for which he justly took credit, but it took others at the school, in the community, the sports world etc., to raise him to a legend and beyond. Many of the same people who object to being hurt by his downfall, are the same who elevated him to a position where he had authority and influence well outside the scope of a typical football coach.

Many of those outraged at the treatment Penn State is receiving were perfectly willing to accept the appointment of Spanier as their President, despite the baggage and reputation he brought from Nebraska. They turned a blind eye to Spanier's stated goal of making PSU the most gay friendly campus in the USA. They found no objection in the sponsorship of "C#ntfest" and other like campus activities, and continued to bankroll such absurdities with their tuition, alumni sponsorship and football dollars.

It's sad, but this is real life. If a company CEO embezzles and bankrupts his company, good honorable employees and stockholders feel the effects. When the school made Paterno it's public face and the cornerstone of their reputation, they did so knowing he was only a human being, prone to the faults of the rest of us. Yet, rather than push their academics, and core values, with the football program as a side light, they chose to bank their reputation and prestige on a winning football record.

Matthew 7 cautions us against building on sand. While Paterno may have appeared to be solid as rock, people elevated him to a superhuman status and decided to build there, losing complete sight of the fact that he was just as prone to failure as any of us. IMHO, any organization that builds on anything other than the highest, noblest ideals is prone to failure, and those in the community and the state gambled on what ultimately (and I would argue inevitably) turned out to be an imperfect human with a thin veneer of bronze.

The argument that this is "punishing the innocent," is best addressed from two angles. First, there are no doubt those who were complicit in fostering the environment at Penn State who may not have been directly involved or had no knowledge of Sandusky's crimes. Those who tolerated (or worse, endorsed) Spanier's tenure by paying tuition when they knew what his stated goals were, had a hand in this. Those blindly went to, or supported Penn State exclusively on Paterno's record were, to a degree complicit. Obviously, those in the administration who had knowledge of the allegations were not only complicit, but likely criminally liable. Those students who were cult-like in their response to Paterno's firing and statue removal were complicit in buying into, and reinforcing the greater mystique that contributed to this mess in the first place.

Second, the "punishing the innocent," argument has to be looked at as a simple fact of life. As a Roman Catholic, I belong to a church that has been roundly criticized for similar abuses and coverups...and in many cases, justifiably so. It affect me, and my parish although none of us (to my knowledge) had a direct role in molesting children and covering it up. That's just the way it is, and we have a choice: if we truly believe in the ideals and golas of the institution, as we stand in the rubble we figure out what went wrong and set about to fix it, or we leave.

This is PSU's opportunity to rededicate itself to academics and learning, and instilling and reinforcing responsible character in young adults.

They merely have to commit themselves to doing so.

20 posted on 07/24/2012 11:37:05 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: GraceG; South Hawthorne; brityank; Physicist; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; GOPJ; abner; baseballmom; Mo1; ..
I support Levin as well. Levin maintains that what the NCAA has done is to impose economic sanctions on the entire campus and the community who had absolutely nothing to do with this and didn't know anything about it. Levin says those who were involved should be held to justice, but not those who were entirely innocent.

PA Ping! If you want on/off the PA Ping List, please freepmail me. Thanks!

21 posted on 07/24/2012 12:01:46 PM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: bassmaner
It's not so much about Penn State sports, but more about the annoying practice of talk radio outlets pre-empting regularly scheduled shows for sports programming.

AMEN!!! A kindred soul, I see!

Nothing like preparing dinner for the fam, looking forward to a little "Morning Glory and Evening Grace", only to hear that awful mountain lion roar, and knowing I've got an hour (or more) of uber-dull Penn State sports talk. Put that garbage on some radio station no one listens to.

22 posted on 07/24/2012 12:27:54 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So you think they are owed a job, how progressive of you. Taking away their jobs isn’t a punishment, it’s sanitation. Ped State deserves the reputation it just earned. The athletic staff has soiled everyone associated with the school forever or at least until no one remembers paterno’s name


23 posted on 07/24/2012 4:24:44 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: randita

Levin maintains that what the NCAA has done is to impose economic sanctions on the entire campus and the community who had absolutely nothing to do with this and didn’t know anything about it..

...then Levin is a fool...what economic sanctions on the so called community is he talking about? That not as many paying customers will show up to watch a losing product on the field? If that’s the case then the fans themselves can remedy that, by showing up in the numbers that they are accustomed to seeing, willingly spending their money as they do so...the choice is up to them, the NCAA has not sanctioned their ability to dole out hard earned money for football pleasure in the least...if people don’t turn out like they used to, and the ‘community’ feels the pinch, then blame the fans who turn tail, not the NCAA...I thought all you were all for blaming the ones who were really guilty here...


24 posted on 07/24/2012 4:45:31 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: muir_redwoods
I think punishing everybody attending the school should not be punished, but you do.

How Liberal of you.

25 posted on 07/24/2012 3:55:49 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: IrishBrigade

I believe that individual responsibility and not collective guilt is a conservative viewpoint.

What the NCAA is doing to Penn State is not very different from holding all of us responsible for slavery.


26 posted on 07/24/2012 3:58:43 PM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Read what you wrote. When you figure it out, get back to me.


27 posted on 07/24/2012 4:57:51 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: randita

I believe that individual responsibility and not collective guilt is a conservative viewpoint...

...uh, ok...not only is the NCAA not imposing economic sanction on Penn St Nation, but in no way shape or form are they instilling guilt...Mr Football Fan in State College has not been called out as guilty by the NCAA, what in the world are you talking about? You (not you specifically, but the generic PSU fan)stand accused of nothing, you are every bit as free as you always were to attend football games, spending $100 per ticket, consuming concessions all the while, and making sure that the cash cow that is PSU football continues unabated forever...
...it looks like your complaint is that the ‘community’ is included in the collective guilt because of being forced to watch inferior football (which remains to be seen, by the way), and thus being placed in the position of not wishing to spend so much money on the lesser product...you of course could remedy that situation yourself by continuing your PSU football custom, but it is so much easier to sit back and blamme the NCAA...


28 posted on 07/25/2012 5:22:05 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: GraceG
This will also have an effect on the economy in Happy Valley. Business owners will suffer. Trickle down poverty continues in the USA.
29 posted on 07/25/2012 5:30:38 AM PDT by angcat (Without Valor there is no hope.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Anyone related to the Penn State community has been painted with the same broad brush as Sandusky and Paterno.

Listen to what the students have to say. I have a son who attended PSU. He didn’t follow football. He never even attended one game the entire time he was there. I don’t even recall him buying PSU apparel, although family members would give it to him at Christmas, etc. He thought it was silly that Paterno and the football program in general were so venerated. We agreed with him fully and thought Paterno should have stepped down decades ago and the longer he stayed, the least interest we had in PSU football to the point of hardly following it at all for a long time.

Oh, you can say he could have attended another school blah, blah, blah, but it was what we could afford and it provided him the major he wanted which other state schools did not.

He’s trying to get a job and he’s resigned to the fact that employers are going to look at his resume and immediately think of the crimes.

Many PSU students are voicing the same concerns as my son.

I’m not saying that there shouldn’t have been any sanctions, but the severity of them goes too far, IMO.

I’m content to be in the company of Mark Levin on this.


30 posted on 07/25/2012 5:56:05 AM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: randita

Anyone related to the Penn State community has been painted with the same broad brush as Sandusky and Paterno...

...ok, but again, whom do we, or more to the point, your son, have to blame for that? Certainly, not the NCAA...

...I doubt that employers are that narrow minded that crimes committed by a perverse lunatic at Penn State are going to carry much weight when the time comes to take on a new employee; if he or she is that myopic then the business is probably not long range anyhow...I’m sure your son will encounter none of those issues...


31 posted on 07/25/2012 10:48:53 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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