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Comforting news for anyone! Pop music too loud and all sounds the same: official
Reuters ^ | 7/26/2012 | Reuters

Posted on 07/26/2012 6:16:26 PM PDT by Dallas59



Comforting news for anyone over the age of 35, scientists have worked out that modern pop music really is louder and does all sound the same.

Researchers in Spain used a huge archive known as the Million Song Dataset, which breaks down audio and lyrical content into data that can be crunched, to study pop songs from 1955 to 2010.


(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Music/Entertainment; Science
KEYWORDS: modern; music; pop
Just turn in that radio contraption and you can figure it out for yourself.
1 posted on 07/26/2012 6:16:32 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

I was not aware that there was even music after 1990something...


2 posted on 07/26/2012 6:23:55 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Dallas59; Slings and Arrows; Revolting cat!

The louder part of the equation is a no-brainer. When the Beatles Corp. remastered their albums for CD recently, they made them louder to match other contemporary releases.

So much for being an authentic rerelease of the material. They were remixed.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 6:27:59 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Dallas59

Nickleback. Damn, that’s some really bad stuff.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 6:29:34 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: a fool in paradise

Its not the loudness per se that is obnoxious ... its the uniform loudness and wall of noise that is rock these days. Its just like constant static. Nothing is shard and clear. There is no variation in volume or pitch.


5 posted on 07/26/2012 6:33:22 PM PDT by dinoparty
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To: Dallas59

Music? What music? All I hear is a lot of very unpleasant noise - if I accidentally tune into the wrong radio stations.


6 posted on 07/26/2012 6:35:15 PM PDT by Ron C.
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To: Dallas59

Rock concerts were always too loud, even when I was young and went to them. There’s no reason music should be louder than a Wagner opera or a Mahler symphony.


7 posted on 07/26/2012 6:43:26 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Dallas59

But every country song is unique and original.


8 posted on 07/26/2012 6:44:02 PM PDT by DManA
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To: dinoparty

They’ve left nothing for anyone else to cover. Ever. (or is it Evah!)

Style over substance. Instantly forgettable. 25 years of technocrap. It IS the new oldies.


9 posted on 07/26/2012 6:49:06 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: dinoparty
Nickleback. Damn, that’s some really bad stuff.


10 posted on 07/26/2012 6:49:13 PM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: dinoparty
synthesizers didn't kill music but house music and artificial boy/girl groups did.
11 posted on 07/26/2012 6:50:19 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: a fool in paradise

12 posted on 07/26/2012 7:00:25 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: a fool in paradise

To your point... and I digress...Synth’s in the hands of Herbie Hancock, Thomas Dolby, Zappa, George Duke, Rick Wakeman, Joe Zawinul, Chick Corea, Jordan Rudess... and too many others to mention... had nothing to do with killing music.

Video killed the radio star - as did a debased and debauched loop culture - too lazy to create on their own.


13 posted on 07/26/2012 7:01:40 PM PDT by CTyank
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To: Dallas59
Acoustic rules, baby!


14 posted on 07/26/2012 7:02:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Zeppelin

David Grohl’s twitter got suspended. It may not have been him.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 7:02:46 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: Dallas59

The great thing is that in 10 years the bandcamp and soundcloud kids will be making their own money. Hopefully Big Music will begin to die.


16 posted on 07/26/2012 7:07:21 PM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: chris37

There wasn’t any after then...it was the day the music died.


17 posted on 07/26/2012 7:11:50 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: dinoparty
"its the uniform loudness and wall of noise that is rock these days.

Which is why I avoid going to bars or any establishment that has a band. One is bombarded all night with that wall of sound (and nothing discernible as music) that renders conversation impossible and leaves one with ringing ears.


18 posted on 07/26/2012 7:14:21 PM PDT by KamperKen
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To: Dallas59

Pop music is so artificial these days that talent means nothing. Looks don’t even matter much because I see better looking women walking down my street every few minutes.

It’s mostly about who you know and sometimes who you blow. The movie and music industry is like an inbred royal family of idiots.


19 posted on 07/26/2012 7:18:13 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

When I listen to older stuff I can hear what everyone is playing.
Also, it all sounds the same because too many bands have the same lead singer. Someone who calls themselves “Autotune”.


20 posted on 07/26/2012 7:33:55 PM PDT by yawningotter
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To: Revolting cat!
Acoustic rules, baby!

From your keyboard to Jon Schmidt's ears.

21 posted on 07/26/2012 7:46:57 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: chris37

I wasn’t aware there was any after 1970. It just got worse with each succeding decade.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 7:51:15 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: DManA

Got a start point for that?? Cause since about 1980, so-called “country” has mimicked every bad pop/rock trick in the book. But prior to that, yes, you are right.


23 posted on 07/26/2012 7:56:27 PM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: smalltownslick

It did, you are right, but somehwere in the 90’s, whatever there was left just went straight down the crapper.

With rap, boy bands, lip synching dancing chics, alternative nonsense...music just became a wasteland, and now in 2012, it almost isn’t even worth discussing, although some worthwhile compositions do still seem to occur, it’s incredibly rare and won’t be heard on radio anywhere.


24 posted on 07/26/2012 7:57:57 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37
I was not aware that there was even music after 1990something...

Me either. Have you heard the crap that passes as music today and back as far as the 1980s? Pure, unadulterated unmelodic junk and often played with the heaviest speakers on Earth (I'm referring to the hearing-destroying equipment in cars and trucks).

Today's kids don't have the benefit of listening to real pop music, you know, music that had differentiating melodies and lyrics that made some sense.

25 posted on 07/26/2012 8:02:11 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Dallas59
Everybody here's aging hisself!


26 posted on 07/26/2012 8:07:08 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Dallas59
Comforting news for anyone! Pop music too loud and all sounds the same: official

Not North African Arabic and other Arabic pop music:

or or
27 posted on 07/26/2012 8:08:44 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Dallas59
Not the sisters!


28 posted on 07/26/2012 8:12:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: smalltownslick

I know whatcha mean. I agree. 1980’s a good starting point.


29 posted on 07/26/2012 8:18:18 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Dallas59

Rock N Roll’s been going downhill ever since Buddy Holly died.


30 posted on 07/26/2012 8:24:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: OldPossum

Well it’s hard for me to say, I’m still pretty young, 41 a genXer, so I imagine people would say that much of the music I love was crap too.

I am a huge fan of 70’s and 80’s rock, I also enjoy classical, especially piano and strings. I also enjoy some of the older ballad style country music from Marty Robins, Conway Twitty, Charlie Rich and guys like that. I enjoy some classically trained singers such as Bocelli and Brightman, and even some very nicely crafted music from some older video games.

Basically, as soon as rap came out, music lost me. I do not even know what to call “popular music” of today.

It’s almost like you can hear the decline in our culture in our music from decade to decade. We are in a dark ages now I fear.


31 posted on 07/26/2012 9:06:05 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Dallas59

Who says you have to be lazy and listen to mainstream? I no longer know what mainstream is besides hip hop and Nashville. With Internet you can find all kinds of offbeat, left field music that suits your taste, and I have done it and been doing it for years, focusing mainly on Americana, which often enough is not too loud and almost entirely accoustic.


32 posted on 07/26/2012 9:11:22 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Dallas59

What are you talking about! I just found Amy Winehouse! To bad she died from booze and drugs. : (

But there is more talent like her rising up.


33 posted on 07/26/2012 9:24:40 PM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Unnngh! To many PDS people!)
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To: CTyank

Sun Ra had synths in the early 60s;

What’s happened in the last 20 years?


34 posted on 07/27/2012 12:04:20 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: US_MilitaryRules

Listen to SHARON JONES the older black woman with the SAME live band


35 posted on 07/27/2012 12:06:28 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Dallas59

Between the compression and digitization, and the widespread heavyhanded use of autotune, most current “pop” music sounds jagged, screechy and fake on top of all that. They’re “entertainers” not musicians and it shows.

That’s not to say that there aren’t plenty of talented, actual musicians making great music today, it’s just that you have to make an effort to find them. Thank goodness for iTunes and Pandora.com, otherwise I’d have retreated into an analog cocoon by now, lol.


36 posted on 07/27/2012 12:22:36 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: a fool in paradise

The music business killed itself. Filled with frustrated musicians who never made it big calling the shots, passing judgement and dictating what you WILL like is a remedy for disaster. Musics greatest moment was in its infancy


37 posted on 07/27/2012 3:11:12 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Dallas59

Pop music today is manufactured, not written. It is assembled, not arranged. It is executed, not performed.


38 posted on 07/27/2012 3:20:25 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: CTyank

I think it was the Pink Floyd at Pompeii film that has Roger Waters discussing the moog synth they were working with on Dark Side of the Moon. Something about how any monkey could operate one and “make music” but that they were striving for something more out of it.

Certainly there is at least one programmed loop on DSOTM and its sequence was revealed on the Classic Albums documentaty about that album.

Synths in and of themselves are not “bad” (although a real piano has richer sounds and require the musician to play soft or intense, there is no faking it) but so much mainstream music today is just looped beats and processed singing. Bleh.


39 posted on 07/27/2012 9:45:35 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: struggle
Hopefully Big Music will begin to die.

with a handful of companies owning all movies, tv shows, and music recordings published between 1930 and 2012 and the ever extension of "copyrights", they won't be going broke anytime soon. They'll continue to make billions and billions off of works whose production costs were long ago paid off.

IF they didn't have that nest egg to keep making bank off of, Hollyweird/NYC/Nashville would have to be more responsive to the market demands.

40 posted on 07/27/2012 9:53:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: struggle
Hopefully Big Music will begin to die.

with a handful of companies owning all movies, tv shows, and music recordings published between 1930 and 2012 and the ever extension of "copyrights", they won't be going broke anytime soon. They'll continue to make billions and billions off of works whose production costs were long ago paid off.

IF they didn't have that nest egg to keep making bank off of, Hollyweird/NYC/Nashville would have to be more responsive to the market demands.

41 posted on 07/27/2012 9:53:05 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: chris37

Some good artists still get played on commercial free (more free form stations like WFMU than Pacifica Communist radio or even college stations) but by and large white people are expected to PAY for radio these days.

I refuse. And what goes out over the airwaves for white people is a minimal list of 500 mediocre “hits” from 1968-1994 depending on the format of the station (classic rock, office music, nashville country, “alternative” songs that are 20 years old (alternative to what?), and maybe a dance pop station playing Ke$houkastgaga.


42 posted on 07/27/2012 10:01:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: Fresh Wind
Pop music today is manufactured, not written. It is assembled, not arranged. It is executed, not performed.

So were the Monkees, Motown, and Chubby Checker.

43 posted on 07/27/2012 10:21:41 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Eric Holder's NAACP rally against the voter ID laws required the press to bring govt issue photo ID.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I won’t pay for radio, in fact, I do not listen to FM radio unless it is an FM talk station.

I do prefer talk radio, but when I’m in the mood for music, I listen to my own playlist which I made from all the favorite music of my entire life.

I’ve heard them so many times that I have the lyrics memorized and can sing them as well, although probably not very well.

But speaking of alternative songs that are 20 years old, here is one of my favorites that’s about 27 years old holy moly!

I blast this one on the surround sound everytime it rains just, which is very rarely around here it seems, just to celebrate the fact that I don’t have to water my lawn for two days :D

It’s too bad that they just don’t make music like this anymore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IbJzn0QT5g


44 posted on 07/27/2012 11:05:11 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: chris37

Thanks for your post 31.

I just wanted to clarify a remark. I really cannot speak about 1980s music since I haven’t heard that much of it. I quit listening to the radio shortly after 1970 since the music became boring.

As for “rap music” that seems a contradiction in terms. What it is is monotouous recitation of low-class ghetto “verse” that appeals only to those who have never heard real pop music.

As you note, the popular music of today is really bad. To me, all the female singers sound alike, as do the male singers. There is no discernible melody, nor any lyrics that I can understand. I really think that all the talented popular music songwriters are dead.

What a shame. I was fortunate enough to have gotten into radio announcing in 1962 when we had what I consider to be the Golden Age of Pop Music (well, it really began in the late 1950s). What a pleasure it was to sit back in the studio and listen to real rock ‘n roll on high-qualify studio speakers and in my earphones!

I lucked out. Too bad for today’s young people. They wouldn’t know good rock ‘n roll if it tapped them on the shoulder.


45 posted on 07/27/2012 5:54:51 PM PDT by OldPossum
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