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Lou Dobbs ROCKS!!!!!!
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Posted on 07/26/2012 8:51:14 PM PDT by MarkL

Did anyone catch Lou Dobbs on BoR's "The Factor" tonight?

Finally, someone schooled the great bloviator! Dobbs wouldn't let BoR shut him up, and presented simple facts that BoR couldn't dispute!

It was awesome!

Mark


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Society
KEYWORDS: control; dobbs; gun; lou

1 posted on 07/26/2012 8:51:22 PM PDT by MarkL
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To: MarkL

Wheres the video?????????


2 posted on 07/26/2012 8:54:08 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: MarkL

Sometimes he rocks. Sometimes he’s obtuse.


3 posted on 07/26/2012 8:54:58 PM PDT by DManA
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To: MarkL

Fully agree. It was a pleasure to behold.


4 posted on 07/26/2012 8:55:22 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: MarkL

Great, what was the subject and what did he say?

Pray for America


5 posted on 07/26/2012 8:56:41 PM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: bray

Lou was on to debate Jesse Jackson’s daughter on gun control.
Guess he also got to school BOR along the way.

Don’t know what happened, but that was the line up.


6 posted on 07/26/2012 9:01:09 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: MarkL
BoR's favorite lines call ARs and AKs "heavy weapons."

My favorite quote, after BoR called an AK a "heavy weapon."

Dobbs: "An AK is a seven-six-two round. That is the cartridge it fires. It is not a heavy weapon by any reasonable definition."

Someone named "MassTeaParty" posted the video on You Tube!!!! Thank you MassTeaParty!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6OnDYxs1Qg

Mark

7 posted on 07/26/2012 9:04:21 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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Dobbs also schooled BoR on the reporting regulations Holder forced on the SW gun dealers, calling them foolish!

Amazing how Dobbs shut him up!!!!!

Mark

8 posted on 07/26/2012 9:05:55 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

I could only stand a few minutes of BOR swooning over the more-than-likely rigged poll showing high likeability ratings for Zero.
It’s mind-boggling to watch OReilly, who is so conceited and self-important most of the time, brown nose Obama every time he talks about him.


9 posted on 07/26/2012 9:07:54 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: M-cubed; bray; G Larry
Wheres the video?????????

See post #7! It's now on YouTube.

Mark

10 posted on 07/26/2012 9:09:08 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL
I'd vote for Dobbs over Romney, if he were running.

He's more trustworthy.

Kinda puts things in perspective.

11 posted on 07/26/2012 9:10:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MarkL

As far as I am concerned BoR and Savage are peas in the same pod. They are both over-impressed with themselves.


12 posted on 07/26/2012 9:18:45 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: MarkL

Excellent! Thank you!

Wish Lou had mentioned 2 things:

The Aurora shooter had an AR-15 NOT an AK-47.
MOST of the dead and wounded were hit with BUCKSHOT FROM THE Remington 870 Pump-action SHOTGUN!!!

(he switched to the AR only after he emptied the shotgun)


13 posted on 07/26/2012 9:23:50 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: MarkL
Jason Chaffetz also put O'Reilly in his place on gun control earlier this week.

Video here.

14 posted on 07/26/2012 9:30:16 PM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: G Larry

12 gauge Shotgun is by far the most deadly in mass shootings. Can’t find it now, but saw a SOF magazine with a breakdown of lethality in spree shootings by weapon type.

Assault rifle was near the bottom. Handguns were far worse, and you don’t want to be there when someone unleashes a shotgun.

just for perspective, in WWI the Germans actually called the doughboys use of pump 12 gauges firing buckshot “inhumane”. They filed a diplomatic protest which we promptly ignored.

But yes, trench warfare, mustard gas, belt fed machine guns in the Somme, the Paris gun, shelling verdun till it was moonscape, unrestricted sinking of passenger ships by Germans, British use of a starvation blockaid against civilians, our digging caverns beneath a enemy and detonating hundreds of tons of explosive beneath them,,,all ok.

But they were horrified by a winchester 97.


15 posted on 07/26/2012 9:46:41 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: G Larry

The AK 7.62 is a nasty, nasty, bullet. But this Pyscho used a AR7 223.
The gun that did the most damage was the shot gun.... Hell they tried to outlaw for war.... If you got the stomach google shot gun wound images and see what a mess a shot gun does to a human.


16 posted on 07/26/2012 10:12:44 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: DesertRhino

“just for perspective, in WWI the Germans actually called the doughboys use of pump 12 gauges firing buckshot “inhumane”. They filed a diplomatic protest which we promptly ignored.”

I’ve never heard of that before. Those krauts start wars and when the tables are turned, start bitching about what they did wrong..


17 posted on 07/26/2012 10:19:06 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: MarkL

Glad to hear Dobbs got a word in but I’d rather have my nutsac sawed off with a rusty dull butter knife than listen to O’Reilly.


18 posted on 07/26/2012 10:19:59 PM PDT by packrat35 (Admit it! We are almost ready to be called a police state!)
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To: max americana

‘The German is either at your throat or at your feet’-Churchill.


19 posted on 07/26/2012 10:21:47 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: packrat35

aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!, that sounds painful, and ugly.


20 posted on 07/26/2012 10:23:50 PM PDT by coincheck (Time is Short, Salvation is for Today)
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To: MarkL

...up until the point he described a “.30 caliber machinegun” as a heavy weapon.

AK-47 rounds (7.62x39mm) ARE .30 caliber rounds. My M1 Garand(in 7.62x51mm (.308 NATO)) is a “.30 caliber” weapon...albeit sporterized a bit.

So is it the caliber, or the automatic-fire feature that makes it a “heavy weapon”?

The SAW is a 5.56x45mm (.223) caliber weapon with automatic- fire capability - it that also a “heavy weapon”?

C’mon, Lou, get the facts...


21 posted on 07/26/2012 10:28:23 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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To: max americana

From Wiki under Winchester 1897 article.
(sources at the article)

Although the Model 1897 was popular with American troops in World War I, it wasn’t so popular with the German troops. “On 19 September 1918, the German government issued a diplomatic protest against the American use of shotguns, alleging that the shotgun was prohibited by the law of war.” A part of the German protest read; “It is especially forbidden to employ arms, projections, or materials calculated to cause unnecessary suffering”.”This is the only known occasion in which the legality of actual combat use of the shotgun has been raised. However, the United States interpreted their use of the shotgun differently than Germany. The Judge Advocate General of the Army, Secretary of State Robert Lansing carefully considered and reviewed the applicable law and promptly rejected the German protest.

The rejection of their protest greatly upset the German forces, because they believed they were treated unjustly in the war. Shortly after the protest was rejected, Germany issued threats that they would punish all captured American soldiers that were found to be armed with a shotgun. This led to the United States issuing a retaliation threat, stating that any measures unjustly taken against captured American soldiers would lead to an equal act by the United States on captured German soldiers.


22 posted on 07/26/2012 10:34:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MarkL

It’s hard to stomach BoR but I would have liked to have seen that.


23 posted on 07/26/2012 10:37:32 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: DesertRhino

I carried a 12 gauge Remington pump with shortened barrel in RVN. Someone told me it was a violation of the Geneva Conventions. I ignored him. Never did find out if he was right, but that baby was attached to me for 13 months....


24 posted on 07/26/2012 11:10:29 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: Tucker39

Wife makes me stay for his Talking Points and then come back for his emails. Otherwise I manage to avoid the arse.


25 posted on 07/27/2012 12:42:36 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Once I was young, now I am old and the in between went way too fast)
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To: DesertRhino

A 3” 12 gauge shotgun shell contains 11 balls (.36 caliber/9mm) of triple ought buck.

Five 3” shells in a pump or semi auto shotgun can unlease 55 balls in a blink of the eye and each one of them capable of killing a human at 50 yards.


26 posted on 07/27/2012 12:59:16 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Once I was young, now I am old and the in between went way too fast)
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To: dragonblustar

You didn’t miss anything. It wasn’t much a such.


27 posted on 07/27/2012 1:27:52 AM PDT by onona (loving butter pecan)
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To: Sea Parrot

I read a study years ago about the effectiveness of shotguns for self defence, I believe it was by Peter Capstick. His conclusion was #1 buck was the best performer.

These are for the 2 3/4 inch case.

OOO = 36 cal 68 grain X 8 = 0.81 Sq Inches 544 grains total
00 = 33 cal 53.8 grain X 9 = 0.77 in2 484.2 gr
0 = 32 cal 48.3 grain X 12 = 0.96 in2 579.6 gr
1 = 30 cal 40 grain X 16 = 1.13 in2 640 gr
4 = 24 cal 20.6 grain X 27 = 1.22 in2 556.2 gr

In the 3 inch case the pellet count goes up to 24.


28 posted on 07/27/2012 4:37:17 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: MarkL

He sure does. Lou Dobbs is FN’s best kept secret. Watch him every day after work on the Fox Business Network at 7 pm. He’s one very smart guy.


29 posted on 07/27/2012 4:48:01 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: max americana

After the German unsuccessfully protested the American use of combat shotguns, the German Army command threatened special punishmnet to any American soldier captured while carrying one. I think we’re talking “battlefield punishment” or summary execution here. The US Army simply threatened to retaliate against German prisoners held by our forces.

By 1918 we were capturing more of theirs than they had of ours, so this was a losing proposition for the German Army.


30 posted on 07/27/2012 4:53:30 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: clintonh8r
I carried a 12 gauge Remington pump with shortened barrel in RVN. Someone told me it was a violation of the Geneva Conventions.

I think that it was a matter of interpretation of various treaties in force at the time. Rifle bullets were not supposed to fragment. A shotgun firing 00 buckshot kinda defeats that rule, so...

Hollow point or "Dum Dum" bullets were the reason for the rule as I understand it.

31 posted on 07/27/2012 4:58:36 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: castlebrew
So is it the caliber, or the automatic-fire feature that makes it a “heavy weapon”?

Mixing & (mis)matching definitions are why we never seem to get anywhere in debates with gun-controllers like BoR.

We can infer that BoR thinks of a "heavy weapon" as an automatic weapon that puts out a high-volume of fire. The military definition of a "heavy weapon" is basically any weapon that isn't easily man-portable by a single soldier. Therefore, a Squad Automatic Weapon (.556) is a light-weapon as it is handled by a single-soldier while a M2 (Ma Deuce) machine gun requires a crew (or is vehicle mounted).

Seems we keep running into these problems because few if any liberals have military experience. When you 'school them' they just change the subject or start arguing another fine-point about which they know nothing.

32 posted on 07/27/2012 5:12:26 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: MarkL; mickie; flaglady47
Did you catch at the end where O'Reilly thanked Dobbs for the "debate" and Dobbs burst out laughing: "DEBATE?", he virtually shouted, "It was a soliloquy!"

O'Reilly's program has become one vast soliloquy with the Bloviator acting the Hamlet.

The payrolled "contributors" on the show I can understand. They get a regular stipend for being overtalked by the Bloviator. They have to eat his rudeness and megalomania.

But why invited guests humiliate themselves to appear on the Factor and hardly get a word in edgewise is beyond me. Their appearances are too often a waste of their time and a poor showcase for their various talents and expertise due to O'Reilly's non-stop interruptions and over-talking.

Leni

33 posted on 07/27/2012 5:13:13 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: clintonh8r

No violation at all. When I landed at FSB Bastogne I was issued a Ithaca Model 37 with an 18 inch barrel. Seal teams were issued a 20 inch model with an extended mag, some even had the duckbill choke that would spread the shot horizontaly. I’ve got one of each but I don’t have the duckbill model both seen duty in Vietnam.


34 posted on 07/27/2012 5:19:43 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: MarkL
O’rielly knows he stepped in it. I suspect he looked up the real facts AFTER he shot off his mouth and is trying to just let the thing die. Dobbs wasn't letting him off the hook.
35 posted on 07/27/2012 5:27:17 AM PDT by ontap
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To: Jess Kitting

BOR STILL does NOT know the difference between an AK-47 and an AR-15!!

AND he STILL does NOT know the difference between Fully Automatic and Semi-auto!!!


36 posted on 07/27/2012 5:53:05 AM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: castlebrew
So is it the caliber, or the automatic-fire feature that makes it a “heavy weapon”?

I'm willing to give Lou a break here, just for cowing BoR, as well as educating him and his audience.

Personally, I agree with Pat Buchanan and his quote on what firearms the government can regulate for the American public:

"I don't think the goverment should have anything to say about a gun that you don't need a trailer hitch to move."

Mark

37 posted on 07/27/2012 9:58:36 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: DesertRhino
just for perspective, in WWI the Germans actually called the doughboys use of pump 12 gauges firing buckshot “inhumane”. They filed a diplomatic protest which we promptly ignored.

As I recall, the Germans in WWI later decided that any doughboy captured while using a shotgun would be summarily executed, though I don't know if they actually carried out that threat.

Mark

38 posted on 07/27/2012 10:25:13 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Dusty Road

Perhaps, but the lighter balls would lose energy as distance increased.


39 posted on 07/27/2012 11:01:08 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (Once I was young, now I am old and the in between went way too fast)
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To: Tallguy; MarkL

Concur with both, and seconded...


40 posted on 07/31/2012 9:28:04 PM PDT by castlebrew (Gun control means hitting where you're aiming!)
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