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10 reasons to drop Windows for Mountain Lion
Fox News ^ | July 29, 2012 | Mark Spoonauer

Posted on 07/29/2012 8:43:21 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty

I guess you could say I started cheating on Windows back in October of 2010.

That’s when Apple debuted the revamped MacBook Air. For the first time, I could resume working almost as soon as I flipped the lid on a laptop, thanks to the way the notebook leveraged its flash memory. (Intel and Ultrabook makers wouldn’t offer a similar instant-on experience until a year later.)

The Air was a work of art, but it didn’t feel complete until OS X Lion arrived last year. With key time-saving features like Auto Save and Mission Control for faster multitasking, I started leaving behind my Windows notebook more and more. Now that Mountain Lion is here, I may never look back. Here are 10 reasons why you might want to do the same.

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MacOS is an often overlooked part of why Macs are actually a better value proposition than Windows PCs for most uses.

A few other points:


1 posted on 07/29/2012 8:43:34 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty
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To: Swordmaker

ping!


2 posted on 07/29/2012 8:44:39 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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3 posted on 07/29/2012 8:52:20 AM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
You'll be able to preview almost all new Windows features ahead of time... ;-)

But for business, Excel still rules.

I help companies design powerful and sophisticated solutions using Excel with VBA. VBA is just not available on Apple OS.

You could spend millions on a solution with SAP, but we could give you better functionality for $100,000.

4 posted on 07/29/2012 8:53:05 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I am tempted to make the upgrade. I didn’t move up to Lion because I read about some issues with my mid-’10 MacBook Pro. I may wait for a short time to see if the same thing happens with Mountain Lion. I know the Airplay will not work, but I don’t have any HDMI TV at this point, so no Apple TV for now. That may change in the near future as my WD Live TV Hub is on the fritz. Lots of other stuff that I like about Mountain Lion though that would be nice to have in integrating my iPhone, iPad and Mac.


5 posted on 07/29/2012 8:59:41 AM PDT by Chipper (You can't kill an Obamazombie by destroying the brain...they didn't have one to begin with.)
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To: FatherofFive

“But for business, Excel still rules.”

To some extent, yes. Excel is of course available on Mac, though without ActiveX (it supports VBA IIRC).

“I help companies design powerful and sophisticated solutions using Excel with VBA. VBA is just not available on Apple OS.”

Well, that is one approach. A more modern and more powerful approach might be to develop Web applications using the full power of a backend like Java. That way you can easily support mobile devices, for one thing. Plus, you get to use a full-fledged computer language rather than scripting. ;-)

“You could spend millions on a solution with SAP, but we could give you better functionality for $100,000.”

That’s great. It should also be pointed out, though, that you can easily run a full Windows environment under MacOS using a VM - inside a sandbox to contain viruses and other Windows malware. The best of both worlds! :-)


6 posted on 07/29/2012 9:00:10 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

There’s an old joke that if you want your home systems to be secure from visitors, stick to Windows equipment — Apple user “guests” won’t have a clue....

Mac’s et al. are great products for individual use, but where your business is 20+ years entrenched in MS you can’t afford to proselytize.


7 posted on 07/29/2012 9:05:14 AM PDT by mikrofon (IT Bump)
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To: FatherofFive
By the way, you might want to check out PC Magazine's review of the Retina MacBook Pro. It was selected as an "Editor's Choice". Pretty wild coming from a Windows-centric magazine...

This "next-generation" MacBook Pro hasn't just caught up to the thin and powerful Windows laptops and ultrabooks on the market; it has surpassed them to become the high-end choice for media professionals, enthusiasts, and general Mac fans alike. As such, the MacBook Pro is our new Editors' Choice for high-end desktop replacement laptop PCs.

8 posted on 07/29/2012 9:05:49 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

“You’ll spend much less time reinstalling the OS, uninstalling and reinstalling programs, fighting malware”

I was a Microsoft Slave for 13 long years - dreading calling support to listen to an Indian voice tell me it was “time to reinstall the operating system.” Yea, apparently, it self-destructs.

Beyond that, I provided years of free technical support to myself and others, Googling solutions to figure out how to fix Microsoft products. I have more actual time devoted to using my computers now, instead of fixing them.

I switched to a MacBook Pro about 5 years ago. Never a virus. I check once a month, but feel like the Maytag repair man. Every update installed flawlessly the first time. I have a VM set up to run Windows XP occasionally, to access a program I still must use at work. It sucks to boot it up and watch the agonizing process begin of Windows updates, Virus updates, etc.

Is OSX perfect? Of course not. Nothing is. Does it work? That’s my experience. Does it self-destruct? Apparently, that process, if true, takes more than 5 years.

To each their own.


9 posted on 07/29/2012 9:07:43 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ("I'm comfortable with a Romney win." - Pres. Jimmy Carter)
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To: mikrofon
"Mac’s et al. are great products for individual use, but where your business is 20+ years entrenched in MS you can’t afford to proselytize."

As I pointed out elsewhere, today's Macs will run Windows just fine, particularly in a VM.

This is a great solution as you move from legacy software to something better. With so much business software being done as web applications now, the target machine and OS are becoming less important than the supported browser. Bill Gates rightly feared the browser software platform, and Windows is certainly being marginalized due to it.

We'll see if Apple starts to set it's sights more in the direction of "the enterprise". As most highly capitalized company on the stock exchange, it can certainly afford to do so.

10 posted on 07/29/2012 9:11:12 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I went the other way and dropped OS X for Windows 8. I was a beta tester for Mountain Lion back in the winter. I realized early on that there was nothing particularly innovative or exciting about Mountain Lion. Its primarily designed to help sell more iPhones, which is Apple’s primary cash cow these days. OS X has gotten boring, and while it is becoming more like iOS, its pretty much the same as 10.7 or 10.6.

In contrast, Windows 8 is a tremendous leap forward. I tried it on a lark in a virtual machine, but I was so impressed I sold my MacBook and bought a ThinkPad. Now I run Windows 8 as my full time OS. Visually, its gorgeous. Once you get used to it (takes a couple of days) you realize that along with the beautiful Metro apps, its easier to navigate and use than the traditional Windows desktop. In my opinion, Apple has gotten lazy and is resting on its laurels, charging a lot of money for itoys, and Microsoft has kicked itself in the butt and become the innovator. Tech pundits will bitch and moan about Windows 8 at first because change is difficult, but I think it will be a huge hit with Microsoft’s customers.


11 posted on 07/29/2012 9:12:13 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: PreciousLiberty
"As the most highly..."

Sorry. FR needs an "edit" function.

12 posted on 07/29/2012 9:16:08 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: Astronaut
"I went the other way and dropped OS X for Windows 8."

Sorry about that. We'll see how it works out for you. :-)

"Tech pundits will bitch and moan about Windows 8 at first because change is difficult, but I think it will be a huge hit with Microsoft’s customers."

I tend to think PC World is a bit closer to the mark:

Windows 8's Metro UI: 7 Things You May Just Hate

The brightly colored, interactive tiles of Windows 8's Metro interface are fun and innovative. But they can also be frustrating and completely unintuitive to use.

Maybe it'll be better by the third version... =:-D

You might also be interested in Does Windows 8 succeed as a true tablet operating system?

(After discussing how much of the system uses the old, non-touch interface...)

None of these are particularly weird or wacky things to want to do. In Android, iOS, or even Windows Phone, all can be done comfortably with an interface designed for touch. This creates a tremendous problem. Android and iOS are the competition, and their proponents can point to these parts of Windows 8 and make a very credible argument that, for all the thought and care and work that have gone into the touch parts, it's only half of a real tablet operating system.

And they'd have a good point.


13 posted on 07/29/2012 9:26:54 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: Astronaut

I am not an apple drone per se. But, several years ago I made the switch for an iMac. The reason? I use my machine primarily for photoshop and other graphic programs. At the time I was having to restart my MS machine two or three times a day. It would take about five or six minutes to cycle down and back up. That’s about fifteen minutes a day. About an hour and a half a week. About a full work week per year.

When I realized I was spending a full work week per year watching my computer restart, I had to make a change.

The Mac needs to do that once a day.

The rest of it is BS. My time is worth it.


14 posted on 07/29/2012 9:30:40 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Vermont Lt

A unix based OS should never need rebooting. Stopping an application should be all that is necessary. That is the beauty of unix, the OS and the apps are completely divorced and run in separate memory locations. When I did system admin at IBM we had unix servers that had be up for years without a reboot.


15 posted on 07/29/2012 9:35:32 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mikrofon
"There’s an old joke that if you want your home systems to be secure from visitors, stick to Windows equipment — Apple user “guests” won’t have a clue...."

By the way, I meant to point out that your "old joke" is "really lame".

For starters, wouldn't the vast majority of your "visitors" be familiar with Windows?

I think a much better approach regardless of OS is called "password protection". And not the Windows user favorite password, "password", either.

All of that ignores the fact that most Apple users are quite computer literate, and a whole lot of them like aMorePerfectUnion, Vermont Lt, and myself have a lengthy and painful history with Windows. Life is much better now.

16 posted on 07/29/2012 9:38:43 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
it has surpassed them to become the high-end choice for media professionals

But it still doesn't work for business applications.

Some solutions we developed:

• Turned a two week per month sales commission process for a national distributor of medical devices into a 30 minute clerical task. The other benefit was that ‘knowledge transfer’ of the commission process took place between the staff and the tool, reducing the risk of talent flight in a critical administrative role
• Turned 1,500 paper stock LTI agreements (In duplicate!) into an electronic process for a national insurance company
• Created 5,000 salary and bonus planning tools with a click of the mouse, with email distribution, and automated tool consolidation and reporting
• Created a ‘calculator’ for an international oil company as they rolled out a new expatriate pay program, so current and potential expats can see the actual result of the change

There is no shortage of information in any company. What is missing is the enabling technology to bring the data into an actionable view at a reasonable cost. Without the enabling technology, information integration and analysis is turned into more work - a manual process, with macros, multiple ‘cut and paste’ and repetitive tasks. This is where the hours in the day are stolen from higher value work.

You can pay millions for an ERP, or get better functionality with Excel and VBA for a fraction. Yes, it is not ‘sexy’ technology, but it delivers value for business.

17 posted on 07/29/2012 9:44:17 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PreciousLiberty

My wife has a Powerbook and LOVES it. I’m still running XP on a desktop. Maybe I’ll bite that bullet and switch.


18 posted on 07/29/2012 9:47:25 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: PreciousLiberty
Reasons not to:

* I can't afford to pay double for the same technical hardware specs.
* I already have thousands of dollars in software for Windows.

19 posted on 07/29/2012 9:57:04 AM PDT by montag813
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To: FatherofFive

Did you know that Excel was originally written for the Mac?

All the PC people poo-pooed it at the time. That was way back when Gates worked with Jobs, and before Gates decided to go to the dark side.

I know, because I used Excel on my Mac back then, and had to tolerate the sneers of my “professional” friends who refused to even try Excel.


20 posted on 07/29/2012 10:07:31 AM PDT by jacquej
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To: PreciousLiberty

I heard Rush gloating about AirPlay the other day and all I could think of was “Slingbox! Rush is talking about Slingbox.” Isn’t it about 2-3 years old? Sure it is because I could watch a computer screen remotely on a tv set using Slingbox but I guess that must have been through Windows and Apple is only now getting around to it.

I love it when Rush brags about some new whizbang Apple has come out with that I’ve been able to do for quite awhile. Yes, I know sometimes Apple comes out with stuff before a Windows equivalent comes out but I bet there are just as many things Windows users have done that Apple users like Rush regard as some new revelation when it has actually been available to the rest of us for a few years.


21 posted on 07/29/2012 10:27:40 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I have stayed away from Apple because all my programs are Windows based. Can I now use an Apple and install all my WIN bases programs?


22 posted on 07/29/2012 10:31:48 AM PDT by KYGrandma (The sun shines bright on my old Kentucky home......)
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To: PreciousLiberty
You'll be able to preview almost all new Windows features ahead of time... ;-)

I suppose if you legally hobble your competitors enough, you can certainly have the decency to make a reasonable experience. But please, nothing Apple has done failed to exist before on the Windows platform.

How Apple has escaped the monopolistic practices punishments that Microsoft has experienced I do not understand. I could see the outrage tomorrow of Microsoft required nearly every financial transaction on their machines to go through a single payment processor, yet this is not only accepted practice on all of Apple's platforms, Apple gets to keep a hefty 30% premium on every transaction. I certainly appreciate not having a daddy and daddy approve what software can be offered, much less what can be purchased.

I guess if you love big government, Apple is your choice. But I can't get beyond the surrendering the freedom of my choice to avoid danger. And yes, I know I can run Windows software on Apple hardware, but why not just buy the same hardware cheaper from one of 20 vendors? It is like the liberal argument for gun banning - if all guns were banned, bad guys wouldn't have them, and you'd be safer, so their theory goes. I think the UK shows how well that works.

I'd love to see what Microsoft can come up with if it had their legal shackles shattered.

23 posted on 07/29/2012 10:40:51 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: jacquej
I know, because I used Excel on my Mac back then, and had to tolerate the sneers of my “professional” friends who refused to even try Excel.

Most Excel users, even 'power users' use about 10% of Excel functionality.

I found the transition from Lotus 1-2-3 to Excel difficult at first. Excel with VBA is almost magical.

24 posted on 07/29/2012 10:45:49 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Reasons 1 thru 10 not to get MacBook Airs: The high prices for them. For most of what the vast majority of people need a laptop or ultrabook/MacAirBook, a $699 ultrabook will be more than enough, versus the price of a MacBook Air at around $1300.

Then, Mountain Lion, which is still the OS with around 5-6% of the world’s market share for OSes. Why limit yourself?

The only reasons for getting a MacBoor Air: a decorative device, and bragging rights for being the only kids on the block that can afford them.


25 posted on 07/29/2012 11:05:24 AM PDT by adorno
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To: PreciousLiberty
I'd like to find a version of Linux in place of either of them, because I'm tired of supporting lefty causes by buying their products.

And I know there are lefty sympathizers within the Linux community, but that's a big difference from the companies that produce the products supporting lefty causes.

Any suggestions?

26 posted on 07/29/2012 11:12:47 AM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (With choices like Palin, Cain, and Bachmann, what could go wrong? Now we know.)
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To: FatherofFive
I help companies design powerful and sophisticated solutions using Excel with VBA. VBA is just not available on Apple OS.

No, but Virtual Box (free) or VMware Fusion (inexpensive) allows one to run any Windows app on a Mac.

Mark

27 posted on 07/29/2012 11:14:33 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

Fedora 17.


28 posted on 07/29/2012 11:33:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: adorno
"Reasons 1 thru 10 not to get MacBook Airs: The high prices for them. For most of what the vast majority of people need a laptop or ultrabook/MacAirBook, a $699 ultrabook will be more than enough, versus the price of a MacBook Air at around $1300."

Except you're losing out on MacOS, which as I pointed out is a big value-add to the Mac platform.

Plus if you look at resale value, the Mac might even be a better deal monetarily.

Just for fun, why don't you link the $699 ultrabook you think is comparable to an Air?

"Then, Mountain Lion, which is still the OS with around 5-6% of the world’s market share for OSes. Why limit yourself?"

I'm sure you don't drive a Porsche either. After all, Porsche only has 0.1% of the world automotive market...

Plus, as I've pointed out numerous times, Macs will run Windows fine.

"The only reasons for getting a MacBoor Air: a decorative device, and bragging rights for being the only kids on the block that can afford them."

None are so blind as those who will not see.

29 posted on 07/29/2012 11:35:53 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

PC World is just another tech pundit lost in the “Apple can do no wrong, Microsoft can do no right” echo chamber. But whether or not someone likes Windows 8 is a matter of personal taste, and that’s all there is to it.

I should have added in my previous post that although I have enjoyed some Apple products in the past, I despise the company’s secretive nature and its politics. Apple plays the press and public like a $2 violin, stoking the rumor mill when they need some free publicity. I prefer Microsoft’s open approach. Windows 8 is out there months before release. They make no secret of their product road map, and allow customers to make informed decisions well before launch. I also despised Steve Jobs because he was a hypocritical billionaire ultra-liberal who kissed up to Clinton and Obama. I hated putting money in his pocket.


30 posted on 07/29/2012 11:36:36 AM PDT by Astronaut
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To: PreciousLiberty

Apple does not have a good future as anything other than a niche market.

They base their business model on keeping everything proprietary. Not everyone wants to be locked in to one set of applications and/or technologies. As a matter of fact as the market is now proving most people don’t.


31 posted on 07/29/2012 11:55:11 AM PDT by CyberSpartacus
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To: PreciousLiberty
So I just bought my first Mac, and now I just returned my first Mac...gave it 12 of the full 14 day return window

It was the new ivy bridge Macbook Air 11, ordered on line from Apple, it was near maxed out, i7, 8 gig memory, 256 ssd, $1805 out the door..

It came with Lion and I installed Mountain Lion...I set up Boot Camp with Windows 7...then I set up VM Fusion using Window 7 in Boot Camp

Now I've been working computes since 1980...(Field engineer on mini systems, then 3th lever tech support, now network engineer) ...I work with computes...lots of them ... And Ive worked with lots of different computer OS's

Sorry but OSX, Lion or Mountain Lion, is just hokey and crippled (or I should say the Mac OSX shell over what is left of a UNIX OS is just hokey and crippled)

And why, why, why, to Mac people rave about Mac getting thing that Window has been doing for years as if Mac just invented it?...It just shows Mac uses have no real awareness of other computers and so have no other point of reference...

Mountain Lion..now you can wireless send your display to your HDTV...Oh wow...it called WiDi, its build in to the Intel chips and windows has been doing it for two years!

Running other OS in virtual machine?...doing it in windows for years..and can do it for free

The bottom line is this:

A Mac can run Window OS in a virtual machine...

And a Mac needs to run Window OS in a virtual machine just do a lot things window user take for granted or do for free with freeware

And a PC running Window OS can run Mac OSX in a virtual machine (search on-line)..and do it for free

But a PC running Window OS has no need to run Mac OSX to do anything.

32 posted on 07/29/2012 12:02:28 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
I'd like to find a version of Linux in place of either of them, because I'm tired of supporting lefty causes by buying their products.

Check our PinguyOS...

33 posted on 07/29/2012 12:10:19 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: PreciousLiberty

Apple can’t even get my iPhone they promised could do voice command to actually dial the phone properly.

Me: “Call Wife Mobile”
iPhone: “Calling 911”
cancel

Me: “Call Wife Mobile”
iPhone: “Playing songs by Rush”
cancel

Me: “Call Wife Mobile”
iPhone: “Calling Scott Work”
cancel

Sorry, buy my next phone will be an Anroid model that does speech recognition perfectly already. I’ve had it with Apple. Apple had their chance.


34 posted on 07/29/2012 12:20:18 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: PreciousLiberty
My wife went Mac and she never went back. A bit more expensive but she LOVES her Macbook Air.
35 posted on 07/29/2012 12:32:34 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: tophat9000
"But a PC running Window OS has no need to run Mac OSX to do anything."

Except you're missing out on a ton of great Mac-only software. Oh well, your loss.

Have fun with the hassle of running Windows too...you can really only appreciate how bad it is once you're running something better.

36 posted on 07/29/2012 12:38:39 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: tophat9000
I'm not got to just rip on Apple... their are some things I liked...

The hardware was very nice...and the track pad was great..

Did miss the second mouse but the two finger click for right click was fine...

And I'm not being sarcastic..returning then mac to the Apple store was great...despite the hippie vibe..

It was very fast and efficient...they do have there act together

The worse thing about Apple is Apple fanboy userbase..

They blow so much BS smoke all over the internet you really have a hard time geting trueful useful info on the dam thing... their the "Stepford Wives" of computer uses

37 posted on 07/29/2012 12:45:30 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: tophat9000
I'm not going to just rip on Apple... their are some things I liked...

The hardware was very nice...and the track pad was great..

Did miss the second mouse but the two finger click for right click was fine...

And I'm not being sarcastic..returning the mac to the Apple store was great...despite the hippie vibe..

It was very fast and efficient...they do have their act together

The worse thing about Apple is Apple fanboy userbase..

They blow so much BS smoke all over the internet you really have a hard time geting trueful useful info on the dam thing... their the "Stepford Wives" of computer uses

38 posted on 07/29/2012 12:51:12 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: MarkL
No, but Virtual Box (free) or VMware Fusion (inexpensive) allows one to run any Windows app on a Mac.

But the Apple OS doesn't support VBA. Excel without VBA is like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari.

39 posted on 07/29/2012 12:58:42 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Have fun with the hassle of running Windows too...you can really only appreciate how bad it is once you're running something better.

...Sorry that just does not fly...

It's like cars that gauges and now have "idiot lights"...

Mac takes the "idiot light" approach in computers and boiled it down to just one "check engine light", take to apple

Its a "seal the box, keep user in dark, no checking you own oil"approach

The "gauges, know what going on, simple self service" approach of Windows confuses mac user...I know how to to check my own oil...

My computers, running any OS, will out perform most any Mac users pc and do more because I service and maintain my computers

Mac locks down and cripples their stuff to keep you from "breaking it" just like corporate IT Nazi do with company PC's

It's a socialist nanny state approach

Great if you are afraid to move out of Mommy's basement out in to the scare worlds of danger..

...Learn how to run an unlocked open system and embrace freedoms with all it's personal responsibility...

Personal responsibility has its hassle but its worth it...

Think of it like owning a gun..sure you could shoot your foot off... if your an idiot...

That why you learn to respect and use a tool "loaded with the safety off"

40 posted on 07/29/2012 1:49:12 PM PDT by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: FatherofFive
"But the Apple OS doesn't support VBA. Excel without VBA is like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari."

The OS doesn't support VBA anywhere (you know, Visual Basic for Applications).

However, Excel 2011 for Mac does support VBA:

Visual Basic
Program easily across platforms.

In enterprise situations where there is a mix of PCs and Macs, the Visual Basic feature works easily across all platforms. Visual Basic offers new features including IntelliSense and watch windows, as well as the Visual Basic debugging toolbar and new debugging tools.

Perhaps you've just found a new market for your products... ;-)
41 posted on 07/29/2012 1:51:58 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: tophat9000
You're rant is simply off base. You can get under the hood just as much with Macs, it's just that you almost never really need to.

You should look into the Hackintosh community, there's quite a bit of enthusiast interest in MacOS, largely due to its many sterling qualities.

One way to look at it is it's like Linux, except with a great user interface, and actual commercial software available. :-)

Remember, a lot of the great open source software out there will build and run on Macs with no problem - not Windows though.

42 posted on 07/29/2012 1:56:29 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty
"You're rant..."

"Your rant"...FR direly needs an edit function.

43 posted on 07/29/2012 1:57:57 PM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

“You’re rant” would have worked just as well! “socialist nanny state approach”, oh da, comrade!


44 posted on 07/29/2012 2:00:47 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PreciousLiberty

When Apple gets around to releasing iMac 2012 I will upgrade (from WinXP).


45 posted on 07/29/2012 2:07:27 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: PreciousLiberty

I’m about to go Apple. Enough of this MS DOS based OS.


46 posted on 07/29/2012 2:09:54 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: Revolting cat!

“MS DOS based OS.”

You’re still using Windows 98/ME, because that was the last MS-DOS based OS from Microsoft.


47 posted on 07/29/2012 2:36:38 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

For a new Linux user (or even experienced), I would recommend you try Linux Mint.


48 posted on 07/29/2012 2:43:58 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small, Miss Small)
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To: FatherofFive
But the Apple OS doesn't support VBA. Excel without VBA is like comparing a Yugo to a Ferrari.

Both Virtual Box & VMware Fusion are VM hosts. They actually simulate the hardware of a PC (including the BIOS) in RAM. I have yet to find any application that won't run under VMware. I'm told it's the same for Virtual Box, though I've never worked with it. And the performance is excellent.

Mark

49 posted on 07/29/2012 3:30:46 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: PreciousLiberty
Except you're losing out on MacOS, which as I pointed out is a big value-add to the Mac platform.

Apparently, you don't get it.

Like I said, for most of what people do with their PCs, regular PCs with Windows are more than enough, and, Macs with MacOS are redundant and over-priced, and not needed. That's the reason that they'll stick around the 5-6% market-share for "PCs".

Plus if you look at resale value, the Mac might even be a better deal monetarily.

Bogus argument.

By the time a Mac is ready for the used-computer market, it will be outdated/obsolete, just like most computers after about 1 or 2 years. And, even then, a used Mac may still cost more than a new PC with the most current technology and the most current OS. Most people would prefer a new PC loaded with the latest and greatest, than something which, while it might still be "attractive" and "shiny" and have the Apple logo on top, would still be "old" technology and obsolete.

Just for fun, why don't you link the $699 ultrabook you think is comparable to an Air?

You still don't get it, and your arguing from the wrong angle.

When it comes to the technology inside, both, the Mac Air and the ultrabook would have very similar specs, and very comparable components. The big difference would be the shinier looking shell and the Apple logo, which is all part of a nicer looking "package"; but, tech-wise and OS-wise, the PC would be very comparable and cost a lot less; but, the advantage goes to the PC ultrabook, because, it comes equipped with Windows OS (whatever flavor), which is still the most used in the world and for which most applications are written, thereby making the Windows ultrabook compatible with millions of applications, right out of the box without having to jump through hoops to make the OS play nice with those applications.

I'm sure you don't drive a Porsche either. After all, Porsche only has 0.1% of the world automotive market...

Strawman argument...

Also, another bogus line of argument.

Most people don't drive a Porsche, for the same reason most people don't own a Mac. They're more expensive to drive out of the store, and more expensive to maintain, and don't really get you to your destination "any better or faster" than another practical equivalent. If the purpose is "transportation", then any make and model car will do the job, and, if computing is the desired function, then, a Mac and a regular PC will work just fine, except that, the PC will do it just as fast and a lot less expensively and have a lot more "roads" in which it can run. Advantage: PC.

Try a more reasonable analogy next time.

BTW, I never said that Macs aren't nicely made or that they wouldn't serve their functions as designed. But, they're still overkill for the job, and on to of that, a lot more expensive.

Plus, as I've pointed out numerous times, Macs will run Windows fine.

Sure, with some other middle-ware to handle Windows and its applications.

But, your own argument contains a huge flaw. If the intent is to run Windows OS and/or all the applications ever written for Windows, why not get a Windows machine to begin with, which will still cost a lot less and will do what Macs do and what all Windows machines do, and will run all applications ever written for Windows, which is in the millions.

Furthermore, you're not locked into the Apple walled garden, which means that, whatever you do with "your" equipment, had better be done through Apple's permission, and you can't really go to a PC expert who doesn't work for Apple, otherwise, your warranty for anything on that Mac becomes invalid.

None are so blind as those who will not see.

I agree, so, why not open up your eyes and try to notice that, you're paying much higher prices for something that is not materially nor functionally, worth that much more than a regular PC with Windows. Macs may be nice, but, why are they "necessary" in a "practical" world, where technology becomes obsolete from one week to the next.

So, my retort would be that, "none are so blind as the sheep that worship at the feet of Jobs (he's dead, so...), at the feet of Apple?".
50 posted on 07/29/2012 3:45:18 PM PDT by adorno
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