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To: Cronos
German, Russia and Austria were allied from 1873 until 1887. The lunacy of Kaiser Wilhelm II, and the scramble to claim Ottoman occupied Slavic lands killed it.
10 posted on 08/02/2012 12:52:09 AM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew
Yes, but as the article itself says, this was an unstable alliance, mostly clobbered together by Bismarck. The Germans had nothing to gain in the East and looked more to France as the real enemy (remember that the Russian Tsars were mostly German by blood since Catherine the Great -- as an aside the British royal house, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha's are also nearly pure German in blood right since George Ist)

The alliance was never real and only put together by one man.

Russian aim to have a pan-Slavic area of influence could never allow this to last

Though note one other thing -- the Russians were involved ingetting Bulgaria free in 1878 but in 1912 felt betrayed because Bulgaria was getting stronger again. This would have put the southern slavs under a new Tsardom of Bulgaria (the third Bulgarian empire) . The Western slavs were divided between pro-russian Czechs and extremely anti-muscovite Poles.

11 posted on 08/02/2012 5:03:00 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: rmlew
I disagree -- I believe that Russia wanted the war -- they had prepared for it in the years following their defeat against Japan. Their side of Poland had bad roads and rail, but the Russian troops were on the borders with Galicia in a flash. They were already there by July -- the Russians had a plan.

If you read the articles by the Stavka, their aim was clear -- get Galicia from the Austrians and stream south to wrest Constantinople from the Turks

It was not ready for war and the Central Powers new this. --- I don't think anyone quite knew that -- the Russian Empire was not prepared for a modern long war, no one was -- everyone believed that the war would be over by Christmas

The Central Powers definitely did not know this -- on the contrary they knew about the number of conscripts in the Russian army -- 2.5 million men and trembled. Combine that with increasingly better weapons from France and England and the Germans were terrified that by the 1920s the Tsardom would be an unstoppable horde from the East.

12 posted on 08/02/2012 5:07:49 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: rmlew
Russia sought to take Poland and protect Serbia.

Russia already had the lion's share of Poland after the partitions in the 1700s. They wanted Galicia and at the most wanted to push the border with Germany to the Vistula. They had no aims for the Polish lands between the Vistula and the Oder-Neisse, nor for East Prussia

13 posted on 08/02/2012 5:09:29 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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