Skip to comments.Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists
Posted on 08/01/2012 4:49:08 PM PDT by LibWhacker
If Dmitry Itskov's 2045 initiative plays out as planned, humans will have the option of living forever with the help of machines in only 33 years.
It may sound ridiculous, but the 31-year-old Russian mogul is dead serious about neuroscience, android robotics, and cybernetic immortality.
He has already pulled together a team of leading Russian scientists intent on creating fully functional holographic human avatars that house artificial brains which contain a person's complete consciousness - in other words, a humanoid robot.
Together, they've laid out an ambitious course of action that would see the team transplant a human brain into an artificial body (or 'avatar') in as little as seven years time.
Now, Itskov is asking the world's richest people for help in financing the project.
In exchange, he's offered to coordinate their own personal immortality projects for free.
"I urge you to take note of the vital importance of funding scientific development in the field of cybernetic immortality and the artificial body," he writes in an open letter to members of the Forbes World's Billionaires List.
"Such research has the potential to free you, as well as the majority of all people on our planet, from disease, old age and even death."
Itskov goes on to offer skeptics a meeting with "a team of the world's leading scientists working in this field " to prove the viability of the concept of cybernetic immortality.
And while many are skeptical that such a plan could ever come to fruition, Popular Science Magazine points that phase one -- creating a robot controlled by a human brain -- is already well within reach.
"DARPA is already working on it via a program called "Avatar" (which, incidentally, is also the name of Itskov's project) through which the Pentagon hopes to create a brain-machine interface that will allow soldiers to control bipedal human surrogate machines remotely with their minds," writes PopSci's Clay Dillow.
"And of course there are all the ongoing medical prosthesis projects that have shown that the human nervous system can interface with prosthetic enhancements, manipulating them via thought. Itskov draws a clear arc from what we have now to the consciousness-containing holograms that he envisions. All we have to do is attack the technological obstacles in between, one at a time, until we get there."
Discovery's Alyssa Danigelis takes an opposing stance to the very idea.
"There's a world of difference between pursuing a brain-controlled exoskeleton to help paraplegics regain control and wanting to essentially upload a human brain into an artificial body," she writes.
"I read a sci-fi novel involving disembodied live brains once. It didn't turn out well"
What's your reaction to this pursuit? If you had the opportunity to live forever - albeit cybernetically - would you do it?
I'm used to breathing; in fact, I need to breathe, and feel all the satisfying sensations that go along with it. Like knowing I am, in fact, alive, and I'm not some zombie. So you see, if I don't constantly feel my lungs taking big satisfying gulps of fresh air all the time, it's going to be very uncomfortable. I might even panic.
Then, as a cybernetic avatar, you're trapped inside a metal box and can't get out of it. Like being in a coffin, six feet under.
And you can't breathe.
Then, too, you've got this 110 volt current of electricity surging every which way through your cybernetic body. That's gotta be something new that you may never get used to. Like some people can never get over sea sickness while out at sea... So no thank you!
that will be hell on earth.
How much Immortality is it, if someone can just pull the plug?
If you want eternal aches and pains ... just refuse Jesus and go to Hell ...
But be forewarned ... you can't see no partyin' and friends in eternal darkness.
Hmm. He wants rich donors...
This may be the only way humanity will be able to explore space, to become more metal than flesh.
Map my brain to a 2045 era computer and hook it up to a holographic image of me when I was young and slim.
Then shoot the real me.
Do I live on as that avatar?
I don’t think so.
I think I’m dead. You may be able to transfer all the knowledge and history in my brain to a future computer, but transfer my consciousnesses to a machine. Methinks not.
I’ll bet 50 kwatloos that it won’t work.
That blonde drill thrall could have trained me all day.
So you have all your memories transferred into a robot. Big deal. You will still die.
I’m not sure I’m so egotistical that I want every one of my memories preserved forever.
Somehow, I doubt they’ll ever be able to accurately transfer a person’s consciousness, memory, and soul into a machine. They’ll leave plenty out. At best, it will be like a very flawed simulation of the original.
I’d also be concerned about the developers taking creative (or ideological) license and reprogramming things like memories, values, and morals.
“And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment.”
What is missing from the discussion is, what happens to our kind when we stop dying.
We won’t stop breeding, so at that point unlimited life, becomes a human crisis very quickly.
Or else, massive dying off by the poorest begins, also, in 2045.
...says the grandson of the great scientist Trofim Lysenko.
At last, we learn the origin of Obama.
The thought of downloading a human consciousness into a robot. Obviously its sci fi thinking but there are certainly some major advantages for space flight. For instance, no need to think about hibernation for space flight when a robot could be powered down for decades or centuries.
It also leads me to some ethical issues. While the human grows old and dies on earth, the robot with all the human’s thoughts, memories, emotions, etc continues on. Does it have a soul?
And then there are other interesting things worth ponderin. For instance, as the robot carrying the human consciousness does its thing, it has new experiences and learns new things. Eventually it would begin to diverge from its human counterpart and start to become a different personality. If you really want to get extreme with that thinking, imagine if the robot could produce new robots and download its consciousness and those would further diverge from the original human ancestor.
Just mind wandering that I do sometimes. Kinda wish I had writing skills to put that sort of thing into book form.
We wont stop breeding,
There was a movie “Zardoz” back in the 70s with Sean Connery. It was mostly awful, but it dealt with some of these issues.
I will take Jesus and his sacrifice and skip eternity in hell (John 3:16)
> My thinking went immediately to that process.
> If you want eternal aches and pains ... just refuse Jesus and go to Hell ...
> But be forewarned ... you can’t see no partyin’ and friends in eternal darkness.
Resistance is futile.
Brings a whole new meaning to blue screen of death.
This is along the lines of the group looking for the inception of the “singularity”, where humanity and machines merge. Making our own hell is what it appears to me.
You are talking about the nonsensical ravings of a lunatic mind! Dead is dead!
Ray Kurzweil has been arguing this line for many years and has some fairly persuasive arguments to back it up.
Unfortunately for mankind there is a non-scientific reason we die. It is because God said we would after man sinned. Man cannot save himself from this judgment.
Fortunately salvation from death can come by trusting Christ Jesus as Lord and Savior. This is the only way out, and to try some other way is to accept the first lie: “You shall not surely die.”
“Human immortality could be possible by 2045, say Russian scientists”
Then a tyrant like Putin can be ruler forever.
“Kinda wish I had writing skills to put that sort of thing into book form.”
Don’t wish it ... give it a try :-). I built my whole career on mastering things I thought I would never understand :-). Now I’m fairly decent with digital logic / FPGAs :-). I don’t think I’m the best and will be learning about this stuff forever, but I hold my own, get my job done, and my peers seem to dig what I do :-).
Free will is amazing. I know that sounds like Peter Pan advice, but its so true :-). Just start writing stuff. Identify what’s bad, what’s rambling, etc. and sculpt it like you would any other work of art.
Immortality, thy name is progeny.
This story is about the image of a person living on - while the body is dead. I prefer to have children who will be a blessing to themselves and to the rest of humanity. They may be more work - but growing old is part of living. Dying is part of life. I’d rather be remembered for my contributions, than to be memorialized by a facsimile of myself in a metal container.
Our brains are seeping in a soup of hormones which effect our thinking. The hormones are produced in many different parts of the body due to all manner of external stimuli. Good luck simulating all of that.
Why Nixon? There are a lot far worse than him (the entire demonRat party, for example).
Or did you mean it as a good thing that he (Nixon) could have ruled forever?
Neither I just like the idea of Robo Nixon terrorizing lefties.
These guys didnt see Forbidden Planet did they.
Ask the Krell what happens when you release the “id”.
Ok, 1st this is never going to happen (though sinful men want it to),
2ndly even if human (bodily incorruption) were to be achieved-which it won’t God will net let it—to be stuck in a sinful state for all of evernity would=Death! NO non-thanks.
OH great, cyborgs with dementia? I’ll be over 100 years old by then. My senile brain in a robot? Will they let me have a drivers license too?
But how do you hit control-alt-delete?
“Er...dont be too sure about that. I can imagine a world where an immortal elite will do anything to keep living on the kind of planet they want. Including ensuring that no one new is born once they feel the population is ideal.”
Look at what the population controllers are already doing. They’ve been doing this now for 50 years, and have been mostly successful.
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