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Mass grave in London reveals how volcano caused global catastrophe
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 8-4-2012 | Dalya Alberge

Posted on 08/05/2012 5:20:32 AM PDT by Renfield

When archaeologists discovered thousands of medieval skeletons in a mass burial pit in east London in the 1990s, they assumed they were 14th-century victims of the Black Death or the Great Famine of 1315-17. Now they have been astonished by a more explosive explanation – a cataclysmic volcano that had erupted a century earlier, thousands of miles away in the tropics, and wrought havoc on medieval Britons.

Scientific evidence – including radiocarbon dating of the bones and geological data from across the globe – shows for the first time that mass fatalities in the 13th century were caused by one of the largest volcanic eruptions of the past 10,000 years.

Such was the size of the eruption that its sulphurous gases would have released a stratospheric aerosol veil or dry fog that blocked out sunlight, altered atmospheric circulation patterns and cooled the Earth's surface. It caused crops to wither, bringing famine, pestilence and death....

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: History; Science
KEYWORDS: 1258ad; ad1258; africa; antarctic; archaeology; arctic; austria; blackdeath; britain; cameroon; catastrophism; china; ecuador; elchichon; famine; france; germany; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; greatfamine; greenland; iceland; india; indonesia; iraq; italy; krakatoa; lakemalawi; littleiceage; london; mexico; mountrinjani; quilotoa; syria; tambora; tunguska; turkey; unitedkingdom; volcano; volcanoes

1 posted on 08/05/2012 5:20:44 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping


2 posted on 08/05/2012 5:22:02 AM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: Renfield

And if so it could all happen again today or tomorrow.


3 posted on 08/05/2012 5:28:45 AM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Williams

Don’t worry, the EPA recently introduced strict regulations on permissible volcano emissions.


4 posted on 08/05/2012 5:30:51 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Williams
All those people on earth ... building fires to cook and keep warm ...

manmade disaster, fer shur.

5 posted on 08/05/2012 5:31:18 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Renfield

It is interesting that they cannot pinpoint the volcano that probably caused this mass die-out.

They never knew it was coming and most probably never knew why it was happening.


6 posted on 08/05/2012 5:47:35 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Renfield
sulphurous gases ... cooled the Earth's surface

The left is working to demonize an escape route to their world socialism trap: geoengineering. Statistically the explanation of most human mass deaths is mass executions ordered by a leftist leader.


7 posted on 08/05/2012 5:57:57 AM PDT by Reeses (Sustainable energy? Let's first have sustainable government.)
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To: Renfield

Blame on man made global warming in 5...4...3...2...


8 posted on 08/05/2012 5:58:33 AM PDT by bike800
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To: Renfield

I think that we can all agree that climate change affects volcanic activity. Just kidding.

But what’s scary about this article isn’t that the Atlantic Ocean might rise 6 inches over the next 50 years, but rather we have ZERO PREPARATIONS for an event like this again. No serious storage of food, no plans to quickly move agriculture to areas where food could still grow. Nothing. Just like for an EMP.

...and we’re the kooks. LOL.


9 posted on 08/05/2012 6:15:28 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: BobL

Agreed


10 posted on 08/05/2012 6:19:01 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: Renfield

“6 billion people. We probably need some population rationalisation with a volcanic eruption now.”

The above is a comment below the article. It looks like the left is further along with their genocide planning than even I suspected. They have a new term: “Population Rationalisation”

NEVER understand the capability for evil in these people.


11 posted on 08/05/2012 6:20:15 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: Renfield
From the article:Would have? Really? Where's the proof. Or is this just more journolist surmising?

If they are sure this is what happened, why not drop the words "would have" from the sentence above?

12 posted on 08/05/2012 6:52:28 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Renfield

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1258

In the year 1258, there was an enormous tropical volcanic eruption in January.

“One of the largest volcanic eruptions of the Holocene epoch occured, possibly from a tropical location such as Mount Rinjani, Indonesia; El Chichón, Mexico; or Quilotoa, Ecuador. Observed effects of the eruption include the following anecdotal accounts: dry fog in France; lunar eclipses in England; severe winter in Europe; a “harsh” spring in Northern Iceland; famine in England, Western Germany, France, and Northern Italy; and pestilence in London, parts of France, Austria, Iraq, Syria, and South-East Turkey.”


13 posted on 08/05/2012 7:19:19 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Tijeras_Slim

yes, and the fines on those volcanic emissions will be used to produce public education materials on global warming, start a carbon exchange, provide weather stripping for poor people, and train unemployed workers to install new energy efficient lightbulbs


14 posted on 08/05/2012 7:35:20 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Renfield

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/poison-gas-cloud-that-killed-30000-britons-and-it-could-happen-again-431991.html

they didn’t necessarily starve or freeze to death all at once requiring mass pit burial


15 posted on 08/05/2012 7:39:32 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: bike800
Blame on man made global warming in 5...4...3...2...

I get the sarcasm, but seriously, volcanic eruptions are the elephant in the Global-Warming room that everyone wants to ignore.

Volcanic eruptions produce about 95% of all the CO2 - human activity accounts for less than 5%. So even if every car was banned, every factory and power plant shut down, every wood fire put out - we'd STILL have 95% of the CO2 going into the atmosphere - virtually no difference!!!


16 posted on 08/05/2012 9:01:23 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Williams
And if so it could all happen again today or tomorrow.

I wonder if there is much evidence of this in other cultures like India and China. We've been lucky the last 200 years even with Krakatoa and Tambora causing some problems. The Tunguska event could have been way worse if it would have happened a few hours later. But something bad will happen again.

17 posted on 08/05/2012 9:52:07 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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To: gleeaikin; blam; 75thOVI; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AndrewC; aragorn; aristotleman; ...
Thanks Renfield.



18 posted on 08/05/2012 10:33:47 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks Renfield.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


19 posted on 08/05/2012 10:33:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield

Related topic...

2,000 killed in Cameroon on August 22, 1986 by CO2 gas...

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/21/the-strangest-disaster-of-the-20th-century/


20 posted on 08/05/2012 10:59:01 AM PDT by Popman (In a place you only dream of Where your soul is always free)
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To: upchuck
More recent history

The eruption of Kracatoa in 1883 is deemed responsible for a volcanic winter that reduced temperatures worldwide by an average of 1.2 degrees Celsius for the next 5 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1883_eruption_of_Krakatoa

21 posted on 08/05/2012 11:37:11 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Reeses

That’s it!


22 posted on 08/05/2012 11:55:36 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Renfield

Everybody knows it was caused by SUVs.


23 posted on 08/05/2012 11:56:48 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: BobL
“But what’s scary about this article isn’t that the Atlantic Ocean might rise 6 inches over the next 50 years”

What's more scary is the ease of how many believe in the scientific value of that prediction.

From the models it comes from, the beat scientists on this admit that there is a 40%-70% uncertainty in the projections of Arctic and Antarctic ice sheet behavior, and that's without attempting to factor any uncertainty about what nature is doing on its own that may affect climate, atmospheric and ocean temperatures and weather.

If their worst case scenario was likely, coastal areas would have looked much different than they did when the Norse sailed an ice free north Atlantic and settled what was suddenly "green" Greenland. London would have been under water - it wasn't.

The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray.

Human's best survival tool has consistently been our ability to adapt and our ability to overcome.

In the 1950s people built home bomb shelters, because of things the popular media convinced them of. Today it's "climate change", or "an EMP attack".

24 posted on 08/05/2012 12:18:21 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Due to some recent questionable articles touting Africa’s great but undocumented cultures, I can’t help commenting on the total lack of useful contributions via written or oral acounts from the southern hemisphere generally, and Africa particularly.


25 posted on 08/05/2012 1:26:07 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Renfield
The volcano was probably this Indonesian one that's been cited as one of the biggest eruptions ever during the Holocene. I don't know when they'll announce the actual site but speculation is it's Rinjani.

VOLCANO MYSTERY SOLVED?

26 posted on 08/05/2012 4:28:15 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: gleeaikin
In 1258... Mexico, Ecuador and Indonesia... most likely... evidence in ice cores from the northern hemisphere and Antarctic and within a thick layer of ash from Lake Malawi sediments. The ice core sulphate concentration shows that it was up to eight times higher than Indonesia's Krakatoa eruption of 1883...
Lake Malawi sediments? Sulfate concentration eight times higher than 1883 Krakatoa?


27 posted on 08/05/2012 4:59:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Bernard Marx

Odd distribution pattern. Thanks Bernard Marx.


28 posted on 08/05/2012 5:03:47 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Renfield

That Volcanic eruption and the subsequent die-off was George Bush’s fault!


29 posted on 08/05/2012 6:14:31 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: Renfield
When archaeologists discovered thousands of medieval skeletons in a mass burial pit in east London in the 1990s, they assumed they were 14th-century victims of the Black Death or the Great Famine of 1315-17. Now...

So their authoritative pronouncements in the 1990s were completely wrong. I'll have to remember that the next time they make one.

30 posted on 08/05/2012 9:20:45 PM PDT by Steve1789 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Odd distribution pattern

I agree. Initially I suspected an Icelandic event because the U.K. is directly in the "fall-out" path. That (or some other source) may ultimately prove to be the villain but Rinjani really rang the old planet's bell. Indonesia is a very scary place tectonically. Of course I grew up carefree as a bird almost inside the Yellowstone caldera. Great fishing!

31 posted on 08/05/2012 9:56:39 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: publius911

While Africa appears to stand out, the truth is that pre-history over most of the world is full of question marks.

North America, South America, Africa, Australia, big chunks of Asia, often more is not known than is known.

One of my favorites is that prior to the European arrival, the northern and southern US tribes had a war so ferocious and extended that they ended up making what is now almost the entire state of Kentucky a “neutral zone”. And yet archeologists have just hints of what could have been comparable to the 30-Years War.

And, for another example, satellites have recently revealed that there is the equivalent of Hadrian’s wall in Africa, surrounding an ancient kingdom perhaps the size of Germany.

I’ve had the pleasure to hoof around the ancient city of Tikal in northern Guatemala, that they have been restoring now for a little more than 100 years. And those folks took engineering seriously. The tour takes about 4-1/2 hours of mostly walking.

The bottom line is that the preservation of knowledge in Europe was really the exception instead of the rule. And even there is pretty modest.


32 posted on 08/06/2012 6:12:04 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: BobL; SunkenCiv; no-to-illegals; All

Zero Preparations is a serious issue. Saying have 3 or even 5 days easy to use food and water is just so inadequate. Why we had some people with no electricity for 6 to 8 days after that big Derecho storm in the mid-Atlantic. The Mormons require their followers to have a one year supply of food. Seven years ago when I was caring for my husband who was dying at home with Alzheimer’s I built up a 3 month supply of food as I anticipated a period when it might be very hard to go out to food shop. I still maintain that supply.

Now we have this super heat and over half the country with serious drought problems. If we had even a much smaller volcano event like Tambora (the year with no summer, 1816 fame), our food prices would soar through the roof. There would be a lot of starvation in the rest of the world. We really need to give thought to supporting population limits throughout the world. And no, I don’t mean abortions, I mean supporting pregnancy prevention help.


33 posted on 08/06/2012 9:22:01 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; All

The accomplishments in Mexico and Central America are impressive. I spent hours walking around Teotihuacan near Mexico City, and Monte Alban and Mitla near Oaxaca, Mexico. The ruins further south are equally impressive. No wonder we have so many illegal immigrants from those areas in the construction trades. It is in their blood and heritage.


34 posted on 08/06/2012 9:29:48 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin

I was no fan of Romney during the Primary season (to say the least), but just maybe some of the Mormon thinking is in him. There has to be some degree of prepping by the government also, just to keep the zombies at bay. If he does actually think that way, it would be a first at that level of government (with some minor exceptions).


35 posted on 08/07/2012 4:30:18 AM PDT by BobL (Cruz'd to Victory - July 31, 2012)
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To: gleeaikin
Zero Preparations is a serious issue.

gleeaikin, hammer to nail clean through board with the first sentence (imho), and done in one stroke.

When the lights go out, as was with the storms, those asleep awake. When one is prepared (a non-sleeper) if one did prepare, the sleepers who slept or those who were like the grasshopper, while the ant prepared, the ant is ready, and the sleepers are not. Good for you, not to be a grasshopper.

36 posted on 08/13/2012 5:29:57 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: gleeaikin
It is in their blood and heritage.

They like fighting too. We Anglos were simply better prepared the first times. Now is now though and the present is the present. Have always thought, once I saw the invasion start to gain steam, there was something in play I could not lay my finger onto. A prayer to be wrong in my thoughts, though I would think there have been lessons learned. I hope Anglos do prep for the threats are extreme and real.

37 posted on 08/13/2012 5:37:17 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
1250-1350 AD was the last of the late Mississippian occupation at Cahokia mounds on the Mississippi River flood plain. At the time Cahokia was the largest city in North America north of present day Mexico, and was larger in population than London.

After centuries of living there they abandoned the city.

38 posted on 08/19/2012 10:20:23 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: piasa

There is a theory that the regular rise and fall of such kingdoms was because they lacked any theory of conservation.

The exception to the rule was Egypt, because unlike most everywhere else, they had only one great agricultural season a year, starting with the flooding of the Nile river. This both restored and fertilized the farmland, and they knew with some accuracy how much to plant. And the rest of the year they did other things.

But the rest of the world would over time deplete the area around a kingdom of lumber, crops would deplete the soil of nutrients, irrigation would salt the soil reducing yields, etc. The end result was that over time, everything had to be transported from further and further away.

In Mexico and central America, the ruins of former cities were so evident later kingdoms became very fatalistic and apocalyptic, just assuming that sooner or later they would fail as well.


39 posted on 08/20/2012 6:07:37 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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