Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article

To: cva66snipe

“I’m going to give you some symptoms of it. You say Billy feed the dog and take off the trash. Billy either doesn’t respond or says huh. You repeat it. Billy again either says huh or goes and takes out the trash or feeds the dog but not both. Or the third time it is as if a switch was thrown Billy gets it in the middle of your third time telling him. Billy doesn’t have ADD ADHD. Billy doesn’t need a spanking. Billy likely is not playing games. Rather the third time Billys brain processed the entire message. There is no medication for this.”

That’s called being a kid. Parents rarely teach their children how to pay attention but then demands a medical problem if the child doesn’t pay attention. That’s being lazy and a total copout. Kids take time and effort. Kids rarely receive any effort to discipline them from day one to learn to behave and when the kid is several years old the parents want to find any other excuse except themselves to blame.

I had a sister with an “ADHD” child on Ritalin. Yep, typical kid. I gave that kid a week of personal and direct attention necessary for him to understand his responsibilities and that child became well-mannered and disciplined. He did what he needed to every time; put away his toys, brushed his teeth, and went to bed dead on time. He also knew that for his good behavior he got to spend time with me, watch a little TV, we played outside, and he generally enjoyed himself. My sister hates me to this day for that because I took away her excuse for being lazy and not taking the time to teach her own child. He is 25 now and in the Air Force and doing well. He remembers that week as the week he felt someone actually took time for him. He said for once he knew what was really expected of him and he knew the consequences, both good and bad, for his behavior: “Things weren’t just random and a bunch of screaming and yelling all the time”.

I believe some kids have medical problems, from real mental disorders to true hearing problems, but I refuse to believe every kid that acts like a kid has a problem.


36 posted on 08/09/2012 8:34:39 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies ]


To: CodeToad
Sorry about the length of this. It is a bunch of things you need to put together to determine what I am saying. Look a child with certain medical history seems to be prone to what I am saying. A research Neurologist/Pyschtraist made the link by accident. He started seeing that many of his ADD ADHD as well as Anxiety patients shared some common medical histories. The histories were related specifically to Vestibular Damage.

What has triggered it as an epidemic? Look at technology. Kids today are sensory bombarded with sounds, flashes, special effect TV that we as kids did not have. These events in a damaged processing system can trigger some very overwhelming self preservation signals within the brain. The kid can be playing say a video game having fun but when he's through he may be wound tight OR he may be very agiated tossing down the controller and walks away.

Take the same kid to the ball field and pitch a few balls to him to swing at. You say kep your eye on the ball and swing. The kid consistently swings early, late, or ducks aay. They can not control that it is the brain correcting what it sees as danger. The kid lacks the coordination ability to hit the ball consistently.

Next is reading. Have the kid read a couple of pages. Listen closely for skipped words and even a sentence. Have them try and copy something from a book or blackboard and see the difficulty they have. Look at what they wrote and tell them to correct errors. Don't be surprised if they make the same mistake several times. It's difficult. But once they do get something in their head into permenant memory they know it. There is an issue at the point of hearing or seeing and getting it into the portion of the brain that is permenant storing.

Tell a kid three words for example an apple, a dog, and a pencil. Give them a task to do and say now remeber those words. Don't be surprised if the task becomes difficult and done wrong or the words forgotten. It hits multi-tasking hard and as a result that is where the behavioral or Cognitive issues occur.

I'm 55 now. At age 12 upon recommendation of several professionals such as an eye doctor and occupational therapist I was placed for two years in a special education school. Not class but school that was set up to treat all aspects of childhood issues from Polio to blindness. Without that help I would not have pased my Navy or my Army NG physicals later on. I am also one eye functional another issue that kept me in hot water. Teachers said I was looking off not paying attention. Truth is only one eye at a time functions. Given a standard eye chart test I can pass easilly. Test for both eyes such as depth perception? Nope.

Watch for inappropiate responses to noises and visual events. A child for example who see's a snake and stops up his ears is not being cute and it's not a tanturm. It is the brain translating the danger incorrectly. How do I know? I would do it. By the way most of it doesn't stop in childhood.

i had severe sinus allergies as a very young kid. Serious enough to require shots. That will damage the Inner ear. Some as well I was born with. What youand others are missing is that much of these things were not with us in previous generations. The technology of today for some is triggering ADD ADHD type symptoms but this is not ADD nor ADHD is what I'm saying. It's not junk science and has little pharmacutical influence because to treat it usually requires learning enviroment modificaions and understanding the kids limitations and productive window related to books then utikllizing it. Use the other time for hands on learning.

Now reason this out a litle if a child has damaged sensory processing system what are drugs like Ritalin, Zoloft etc going to do? I know what they do adults with this. It is so serious that it can be as bad as LSD especially antidepressants. Again I have seen it.

Up till the time I was about in my early 30's I functioed OK in my work. Actually I was a darn good electrical trouble shooter as long as absolutely nothing distracted me like a pager etc. Then it hit.

Suddenly unexplainable things started happening to me. I'd start up stairs and be very weak after the third step or so. I would have to say to myself CLIMB and wait a couple of seconds and I had energy. I began having trouble doing simple task at one point I could not sign my name. Other things were I was not remembering task I had done or worse did not do. I was also a boiler operator and this was in a very large nursing home.

I tried to cover my tracks and just thought it was stress as I had been putting in some long hours. I took a weekend trip to Gatlinburg then to a place near Chatanooga with my wife. Coming home on the interstate I lost complete awareness of whee i was at, where I was going, why, how long etc and I was in a location I normally knew. This lasted 30 minutes or so. By the next night I was weak and that turned into a month off undergoing testing including brainwave and MRI all were negative. But I was doing something I had not done before. Cartain sounds would make me shudder violently in the shoulder bladesas would certain visual events. No real rhyme or reason at first. I went back to work and had a promtion coming.

One evening I recieved a trouble call in the retirement center anotherbuilding away about a loud machine noise. I went to the apartment and heard nothing unusual. I saw the woman who lived in it and she was distraught almost in tears and she normally was happy go lucky. I asked he what was wrong? She said that noise make it stop I can't handle it no more. I said OK take me to it. It was her A/C unit. I turned it off and she was happy. I told the nurse and she said it's odd she came back from the hospital like that earlier in the day.

I went down to my shop to kick back and eat my supper. I was leaned back in a chair agaisnt a dould door and someone behind the door yelled. i about went through the ceiling. Then it hit again the where was I, what was I doing. I could barely talk. I called my wife and said it hit me again. She said OK hang on I'm calling your dad to come to get you don't you drive. My wife is confined to a wheelchair. I told the switchboard operator who was my dispatcher to hold the tickets I had to leave as soon as my relief got there and I had called him in. For two days I stayed like that.

Doctors had no answer and said see a shrink. The shrink said Atypical Anxiety Disorder. I resigned my job as it was the right thing to do. I filed for disability and the examiner said he'd seen it but it had no name and I could not work again. The shrinks started me on antidepressants and they made the spasms worse and me agiated. The only medication that would help was Xanax but not all the time. I was also diagnosed as PTSD which for some life events I have gone through one would expect. but they could not pin this down especially the reaction to noises and visual effects.

After a couple of years I found a book at a second hand store called Phobia Free. When it comes to those type of books I am super skeptic. Many are written by well meaning persons but resolve nothing. This book though went into case histories and most sounded like mine including my childhood allergies. The problem is not chemical it is neurological damage in the Inner Ear and Cerebellar portion of thwe brain controlling sensory processing. Myshuddering or spasms are violent and last less than 5 seconds each time. I now know what they are. They are sensory induced Myoclonic Seizures. My Atypical General Anxiety Disorder is not that at all. It is a secondary condition of a primary condition caused my my semsory processing system being damaged.

Within a couple more years I developed Meniers Disease. I'm also now over 50% hearing loss in both ears. The antidepressants? LOL I finally after about the 5th one said you aren't giving those to me I won't take them I want Xanax. The doctor said no I said your fired and found another.

New doctor tlked to me and he said yea I've seen it and here is what helps. Where before I took 2MG of Xanax tice a day he said try .5 or a half MG four times a day. It helped but 18 years later I still have seizures sometimes usually a few times a day.

Now remeber the woman in the apartment with the loud noise in her room? If I were a betting man I would placed a weeks wages on either an Inner Ear infection or Inner Ear Disorder.

Not everyone get this bad. But I was born in 1957 and even in my childhood the sensory triggers we have today most weren't there but even the ones that were looking back were triggering me.

I can spot adults who have milder forms of this in Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes etc when the P.A. or an alarm goes off or if it's crowded. They wantthe hell out of there yesterday LOL.

Here is a pretty unbaised buy educational read that explains more COGNITIVE ASPECTS OF VESTIBULAR DISORDERS

I don't discount the fact some kids just lack discipline. Lord knows I had my share LOL. But an real issue in kids that carries on into adulthood is not being mentioned but ADD ADHD is. Again C.A.P.D. generally requires no medication except treating the allergy etc doing the damage to start with..

I did not spell check but did proof read my post. How many errors do you see? A child with this will have problems correcting or for that matter spotting mistakes to start with.

37 posted on 08/09/2012 10:42:57 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
General/Chat
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson