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Army cancels XM806 .50 machine gun, will modernize M2HB instead
The Firearm Blog ^ | July 24, 2012

Posted on 08/10/2012 8:26:49 PM PDT by JerseyanExile

The Army has decided to cut the XM806 Lightweight .50 Caliber Machine Gun program. The XM806 was a scaled down version of the 25mm XM307 Advanced Crew Served Weapon, which was also cut before it went into production.

The XM806 was originally going to be deployed this year, but delays pushed the expected deployment date back to late 2013 or early 2014. Military Times reports that the money allocated to the XM806 will be used to upgrade the Army's .50 M2 Browning machine guns to the M2A1 version. Earlier this year the Army announced plans to upgrade every M2 to the M2A1.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: militaryprocurement; nationaldefense; usarmy
That makes it, what, six supposed replacements that the M2 has managed to outlive?
1 posted on 08/10/2012 8:27:01 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

In a rational nation there would be a statue of John Moses Browning in every town square and his birthday would be a holiday.


2 posted on 08/10/2012 8:30:05 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: Lurker

Gonna have to add A1 to my tag!


3 posted on 08/10/2012 8:34:31 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: JerseyanExile

And Great-Grandma Deuce keeps on truckin’...

}:-)4


4 posted on 08/10/2012 8:34:38 PM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: JerseyanExile
perfection is pretty hard to replace...
5 posted on 08/10/2012 8:37:30 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: JerseyanExile

Geez, next they’ll probably be reviving the 1911’s.


6 posted on 08/10/2012 8:37:38 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Lurker
I do a post on his birthday every year. Eugene Stoner as well.

/johnny

7 posted on 08/10/2012 8:42:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JerseyanExile

There was the M85 piece of ookum-dookum they put in the M60/M60A1 vehicle cupolas. Nice idea, pull the black chain to charge the weapon, pull the red chain to fire. Yeah.

Then we went back to good ol spade grips Ma Deuce in an open ring mount. On M48’s no less! Right after the 1973 Arab-Israeli war. Lotsa mods on our tanks came out of that one. Strapping an M2 on the main gun isn’t a bad idea either. Instant co-ax!


8 posted on 08/10/2012 8:45:39 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: elcid1970

Looks like the .50 cal has out lived the M1911 in years as a standard weapon.


9 posted on 08/10/2012 8:50:59 PM PDT by Lockbar (I promise to move fire-wood twice a day.)
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To: Lurker

And the Boeing family too.


10 posted on 08/10/2012 8:51:43 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: umgud

“Geez, next they’ll probably be reviving the 1911’s.”

No... LOL!


11 posted on 08/10/2012 8:55:39 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: JerseyanExile
I'm sorry but that thing in the picture looks ridiculous. Just to look at the M2 Browning .50 caliber is to be looking at a weapon you know is going to bring a world of hurt down on whatever you aim it at.
12 posted on 08/10/2012 8:56:19 PM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: JerseyanExile
Ma Deuce Pictures, Images and Photos
13 posted on 08/10/2012 8:56:29 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: umgud
Geez, next they’ll probably be reviving the 1911’s.

Or upgrading those ancient B-52s....
14 posted on 08/10/2012 9:10:57 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: umgud

“Geez, next they’ll probably be reviving the 1911’s.”

The USMC just awarded a multi-year contract to Colt for a whole bunch of modernized M1911’s.

John Moses Browning is the god of guns.

Send that Beretta .380 magnum back to the eyetalians please.


15 posted on 08/10/2012 9:15:11 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Lockbar

I saw an article where the Marine Corps just ordered a bunch of M1911s, so I will be around for a while.


16 posted on 08/10/2012 9:16:02 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: JerseyanExile

The B-24 Liberator was famous for mincing japanese fighters. Each bomber had TEN M2 machine guns. A formation of four or more was considered impregnable by the japs. FORTY M2 machine guns — Imagine!


17 posted on 08/10/2012 9:46:58 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: umgud

one can wish


18 posted on 08/10/2012 10:07:54 PM PDT by ping jockey (We have arrogant jerks for leaders and WE will pay the highest cost.)
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To: umgud

The Marines are already doing that.

Warms my heart, especially since I was born on the 50th anniversary of its official adoption as THE service pistol.


19 posted on 08/10/2012 10:19:29 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: Born to Conserve

The air war in Europe was won by the b17s and b24s. They shot down more nazi fighters then our fighters did


20 posted on 08/10/2012 11:48:58 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: JerseyanExile

It ain’t broke, so don’t fix it.


21 posted on 08/10/2012 11:53:49 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: JerseyanExile

The Ma-Duece lives on, as does the 1911. . . .you just can’t improve on the basic design, only improve the materials. . .


22 posted on 08/11/2012 12:38:52 AM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border. I **DARE** you to cross it. . . .)
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To: Moose4
Had the privilege of firing Ma Deuce at the little brown bad guys at Khe Sanh in 68. What she didn't turn into red goo she sure scared the crap out of them.
23 posted on 08/11/2012 12:52:53 AM PDT by 5th MEB (Progressives in the open; --- FIRE FOR EFFECT!!)
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To: umgud

Geez, next they’ll probably be reviving the 1911’s.


Actually, they are.

The Marines recently put out a solicitation for 5000 1911 Government Models.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 2:30:10 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea; umgud

MARSOC ( Marines Special Ops) is going back to the 1911. Of course it’s got a few updates.


25 posted on 08/11/2012 3:31:50 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: umgud

It’s the preferred sidearm of choice for Special Ops.


26 posted on 08/11/2012 4:31:51 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: umgud

Geez, next they’ll probably be reviving the 1911’s


That is pretty much what the Marine Corps is doing. A modernized, somewhat, yet essentially, a 2012 version of the 1911A1. Which they never should have gotten rid of for that junk M-9 piece of eurocrap.


27 posted on 08/11/2012 4:57:53 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Born to Conserve

The B-25J Mitchell. Eight M2s in the nose and a couple tons of bombs in the back. They were absolutely devastating against Japanese shipping on low-level skip bombing runs.

Think about what eight Ma Deuces in that tight a pattern would do to whatever they hit. It's not pretty.

}:-)4

28 posted on 08/11/2012 5:00:03 AM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: Born to Conserve

he B-24 Liberator was famous for mincing japanese fighters. Each bomber had TEN M2 machine guns. A formation of four or more was considered impregnable by the japs.


Evidently, the Luftwaffe missed that memo. Never heard that before. The Japanese were starting to do a bit of a number on the B-29s until Iwo.

Fighter Escort is(was) the difference.


29 posted on 08/11/2012 5:04:18 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: umgud

Actually, I do believe some military service DID order some 1911s. Marines maybe?

Anyway, the 1911, the M-2, what next?
Start building the follow on to the Iowa class BB?


30 posted on 08/11/2012 5:07:52 AM PDT by Wildbill22
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To: Moose4

The B-25J Mitchell. Eight M2s in the nose and a couple tons of bombs in the back. They were absolutely devastating against Japanese shipping on low-level skip bombing runs.

Think about what eight Ma Deuces in that tight a pattern would do to whatever they hit. It’s not pretty.


Gen Kenney, I believe, had them cobble together a version of the -J with the addition of a rapid fire 105MM, perhaps it was a 75MM.

Jeeeez.....poor Japs. :-)


31 posted on 08/11/2012 5:08:30 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Wildbill22

Actually, I do believe some military service DID order some 1911s. Marines maybe?

Anyway, the 1911, the M-2, what next?
Start building the follow on to the Iowa class BB?


Build the Montana’s!

The Iowa’s were just beautifully lined ships. Nothing like a fire mission of 16”, short of a small nuke.


32 posted on 08/11/2012 5:12:17 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Born to Conserve

And a number of the gunners had a pair to use in their turret.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 6:33:27 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: 98ZJ USMC

Yep, the B-25G and B-25H were the first solid-nose variants, with various .50-caliber packages and a 75mm anti-tank cannon in the nose. The 75mm wasn’t really that useful, it had poor ballistics and had to be hand-reloaded so they only could get one or two inaccurate shots off on a strafing run and couldn’t use the .50s to sight in the 75mm.

Some B-25Js (and many A-20G Havocs) didn’t just get the eight-.50 solid nose assembly, they kept their four “blister” .50s that were mounted two on either side of the fuselage below the cockpit. So that’s *twelve* M2s firing forward, plus the top turret could be turned around forwards and join in for a total of FOURTEEN. And then on the way out, the tail gunner could say good-bye with a couple of more. :) Add in the waist guns and those planes that kept their blister guns had eighteen M2s onboard.

}:-)4


34 posted on 08/11/2012 6:46:09 AM PDT by Moose4 (...and walk away.)
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To: Moose4

The solid-nose variant of the B-26 Invader (six or eight guns in the nose and six more in the wings) carried that firepower tradition on into the early 70s.


35 posted on 08/11/2012 6:54:24 AM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: Moose4

Wow, with all that .50 ammo, did they even have enough space/weight for, you know, bombs?


36 posted on 08/11/2012 6:54:35 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: 98ZJ USMC

I think that most of the B-29s that served in the Pacific had their defensive weapons removed to save weight and extend their range.


37 posted on 08/11/2012 7:39:25 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile; Hurtgen; zot; SeraphimApprentice

Sort of like the Marines buying M1911A1s for their Force Recon folks to replace the Barettas; If a good weapon isn’t broke, why buy a new one.


38 posted on 08/11/2012 10:02:09 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: elcid1970; JerseyanExile

I remember the M85 on my M060A2 when in B-1-32 Armor (Now it is 1-32 Cav). I think that on the A2s we fired the M-85 from a trigger on the TCs “Cadillac Controls” that we also used to over ride the gunner’s controls to swing the turret. The key for the M-85 was to make sure the rounds were well oiled so that they would make the journey from the tray to the mg without jamming or sticking.

And one didn’t have to worry about setting “head space & timing” with the M-85.


39 posted on 08/11/2012 10:11:17 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GreyFriar

Some things just can’t be improved.


40 posted on 08/11/2012 11:11:26 AM PDT by zot
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To: GreyFriar

You’re right, the one advantage of the M-85 was no headspace & timing. And the M-85 was fired by the TC using his Cadillac handle in the cupola.

As for oiling the belt, our loader’s job was to drizzle a can of motor oil (qt can, not five gallon!) over the belt during firing. Messy but it worked.

Did you say M-60A2, the missile tank with the powered cupola? Had a bad accident inside one of those, I was used to a manual cupola.

1-32 Armor “Bandits”......in Friedberg, FRG?


41 posted on 08/11/2012 12:01:24 PM PDT by elcid1970 (Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind. Deus vult!)
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To: elcid1970

ElCid— Yep, the M60A2 had the 152mm Shellaigh gun/launcher missile system. The same as was on the M551 Sheridan. I never got to fire a missile though. And yes, 1-32 Bandits of 3rd Brigade, 3AD (see my tag) at Ray Barracks, Friedberg, germany. The post was closed in 2008 and returned to the Germans. And Elvis Presley was assigned to D Co. 1-32 AR during his Army tour as a draftee. Note that in GI Blues, Presley wears the 32nd Armored regiment crest on his kahkis and the 3AD should patch. I spent 2 years attached to B Co as its forward observer, doing the original 1976-78 concept testing of what are now the FIST teams. I was assigned to C/2-27 FA, but did my FOing off the A2.


42 posted on 08/11/2012 12:25:02 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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