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C-17 lands at wrong airport....oops
YT ^ | 07/20/12 | saintliam2003

Posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:16 PM PDT by Doogle

C-17 shows it's stuff after landing at wrong airport...(Peter Knight, Tampa)....."missed McDill by this much"..(holding up thumb and index)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHw&feature=relmfu

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: c17; oops
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Two vids....landing followed by take off 7 hours later, with "new "crew...*smiles*
1 posted on 08/11/2012 5:29:24 PM PDT by Doogle
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To: Doogle

landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkuqsd_tRHw&feature=relmfu

takeoff......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-UgwM1V8g&feature=channel&list=UL


2 posted on 08/11/2012 5:31:06 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Chode

ping


3 posted on 08/11/2012 5:31:55 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

Mark


4 posted on 08/11/2012 5:33:06 PM PDT by sport
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To: Doogle

it’s worth it for the chick with the anklet, which takes up about a third of the second video...after the plane has reached Jacksonville...


5 posted on 08/11/2012 5:34:16 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (At what point does an escalated effort to remove this traitor commence, and what form does it take?)
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To: Doogle

I like the part where he says “Oh My God”.


6 posted on 08/11/2012 5:37:10 PM PDT by Lazamataz (I love the Universe, and it loves me.)
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To: Doogle
new crew... ya think? what did that IDIOT think all those little white planes were doing on the ramp????
7 posted on 08/11/2012 5:41:47 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doogle

another view of departure....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=J7SE-0tD2HE


8 posted on 08/11/2012 5:42:53 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Chode

plus he had a General passenger..*GRINS*..don’t know the “full” story behind the BS


9 posted on 08/11/2012 5:45:25 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Chode

The two runways are only a couple miles apart and run in pretty much the same direction.

The main difference is the one is 3 times longer.


10 posted on 08/11/2012 5:47:56 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Doogle

It wasn’t the first time and it won’t be the last!


11 posted on 08/11/2012 5:48:21 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: driftdiver
i know, i used to live in Tampa... the length would be the hardest thing to miss, but, seeing all those little planes on the ramp and NEITHER ONE of them thought a thing about it???

but i guess if they didn't give the length of the runway a second thought, well...

and what about the tower?

12 posted on 08/11/2012 5:51:47 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doogle

You would never think you could stop a plane that bit that fast.


13 posted on 08/11/2012 5:52:18 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: higgmeister

for sure


14 posted on 08/11/2012 5:52:50 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Bryan24

You would never think you could stop a plane that bi(g) that fast.


15 posted on 08/11/2012 5:53:24 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: driftdiver

and one’s rated for 200,000 lbs....

the AC weights 170,900 empty


16 posted on 08/11/2012 5:57:38 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Bryan24

I wonder what the makeup of the crew is?

Will there be a courts-martial?

At least a good @zz chewing.


17 posted on 08/11/2012 6:00:18 PM PDT by willibeaux (de ole Korean War vet age 82)
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To: driftdiver

Sounds like what happened to Comair Flight 191 out of Lexington back in August 2006. They were supposed to take off from runway 22, which was over 7,000-feet long, but instead tried to take off from runway 26, which was only 3,500 feet long. Forty-nine of the fifty people onboard died in the crash.


18 posted on 08/11/2012 6:01:46 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: Chode

He screwed up for sure. I thought I read where he was coming back from the middle east so I’m sure fatigue was a factor.


19 posted on 08/11/2012 6:03:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Bryan24

I wouldn’t have been worry that much about stopping (tremendous reversing thrust) my concern would have been weight restrictions


20 posted on 08/11/2012 6:03:35 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: driftdiver

Always double chec the ILS identifier.


21 posted on 08/11/2012 6:05:44 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: driftdiver

Always double chec the ILS identifier.


22 posted on 08/11/2012 6:05:44 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: driftdiver

...yeah but still don’t explain tower communications....at Tampa or McDill....


23 posted on 08/11/2012 6:06:48 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Bryan24

I watched a military 747 (NAECP) do a minimum distance landing. They stopped it in far less distance than this C17 just did.

There has to be a reason he put it down. Even if he lined up on the wrong runway he would have noticed it before touching down and would have aborted the landing.


24 posted on 08/11/2012 6:09:00 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Chode

chuckle.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnc_w2XwfY&feature=related


25 posted on 08/11/2012 6:13:27 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Lazamataz

see #25


26 posted on 08/11/2012 6:24:33 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: driftdiver
i can't be tooo hard on them as they are qualified to do something i'm not, but... just damn
27 posted on 08/11/2012 6:27:21 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doogle
they make a REAL big hole in the air don't they... and the wing tip vortices, well 8^)
28 posted on 08/11/2012 6:34:08 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Wonder if she needs a tailgunner?


29 posted on 08/11/2012 6:38:02 PM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: driftdiver
Yeah the Tampa Airport #1 runway 0 and 180 degrees,runway number 2 is 90 and 270 degrees (compass heading).

MacDill runway is approximately 30 and 210.

Not kinda same direction!

When I was in the Air Force I was the Air Traffic Control Officer and one of the favorite jokes of our FAA guys went like this

"Control Center this is Flight 255 and we wish landing instruction" Flight 255 you are cleared to land on R 90.

At the same time Flight 644 calls, control this is flight 644 and request landing instructions. Control responds Flight 644 you are cleared to land on runway K 270. (The flights are cleared to the same runway from direct opposite direction)

The pilots scream "Control you've cleared us to land on the same runway from opposite directions!"

Control replies

Y'all be careful now, Ya Hear!

I was stationed in Texas!

Ha! Ha!

30 posted on 08/11/2012 6:49:28 PM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Doogle
There is no Control Tower at the Peter Knight Airport. I found these comments at another website that explain that when the controllers handed the aircraft over to MacDill, the C-17 could have gone to VFR if the pilot stated he had a visual on the runway. At that point controllers would have stopped watching out for him.
A few other comments:

Landing at the wrong airport (or on the wrong runway) happens a bit more often than is publicized, especially when the runways of the airports involved are oriented in the same direction. Peter O. Knight’s runway is 4-22, which means that it’s oriented approximately in the directions of 040 and 220 degrees. MacDill’s runway is 5-23, and the actual headings of the runways actually differ by 11 degrees.

Knight airport has no control tower. According to the story at http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/jul/20/18/huge-air-force-cargo-plane-lands-at-davis-islands–ar-437276/, they would have been under the control of Tampa Int’l Airport Approach Control until the aircraft reached the general vicinity of MacDill (the story said 10 miles), at which time Tampa would have handed them off to MacDill. Tampa likely would have been following the aircraft on radar til the handoff. They would have been operating on an instrument flight plan up til that point.

I would speculate that on being handed off to MacDill, the approach or local controller would have asked the pilot if he had the field in sight. If the pilot said “yes”, and traffic allowed, the controller would have the ability to cancel the aircraft’s instrument flight plan and clear the aircraft to land on visual flight rules from the point of handoff, thereby terminating any requirement to guide and monitor the aircraft on radar. The controllers would not have had any way to know that the pilot had identified the wrong airport until the aircraft was close to landing at Knight. Even on radar, the approach would probably have looked like any other normal approach because the approach path to MacDill would have taken the aircraft over Peter Knight anyway. And I seriously doubt that it would have occurred to any of the controllers to watch the aircraft to ensure it was landing at the wrong airport, and they’d have probably been busy with other traffic (I’m sure that will be part of the investigation).

The photo in the story shows the aircraft landing on Runway 22. MacDill is a few miles further to the southwest of Knight, so the pilot would have seen Knight first. Whether he made a mistake in landing there or he had a problem that warranted an immediate landing remains to be seen.

Both airports have over-water approaches to Knight’s Runway 22 and MacDill’s Runway 23. If the pilot hadn’t ever landed at MacDill before, it’s quite possible that the similarities in the approaches may have lulled the pilot into mistaking Knight for MacDill. As mentioned above, fatigue could have been a factor. However, the pilot and copilot are ultimately responsible for acquainting themselves with all aspects of their flight, including their departure and arrival airports.

Norris’ comment about a Flight Evaluation Board is right on target. The pilot and copilot will both be put through an investigative wringer, and it’s quite possible that a board might OK them for further flight duty after getting retraining. However, it’d obviously be a big black mark on their performance evals, and at the least their chances for promotion will be hurt badly.


31 posted on 08/11/2012 6:53:34 PM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Doogle

Gee, I wonder what the liberals would have said if this happened four years ago...


32 posted on 08/11/2012 6:56:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: Doogle

Sweet! Into the wild blue yonder.


33 posted on 08/11/2012 6:57:26 PM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: Young Werther

He didn’t land at the Tampa airport. The Tampa airport wouldn’t have any problem handling a plane of this size.

He landed at the Peter Knight airport. Its runway is a third of the size of MacDills.

Here’s a map of the two airports in question - http://goo.gl/maps/Dytzq


34 posted on 08/11/2012 7:03:18 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: higgmeister

Thanks, cleared up some


35 posted on 08/11/2012 7:03:46 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle
c17
36 posted on 08/11/2012 7:03:58 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Doogle

Reminds me of the pilots trying to land in the fog. Pass after pass, they almost make it. Finally, they are able to put the plane on the ground.

Pilot: “Man, that was close. And making this harder, this is the shortest runway I’ve ever landed!”

Co Pilot: “Yeah, but look how wide it is too!”


37 posted on 08/11/2012 7:04:18 PM PDT by llevrok (2012 : Elect Adults)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

..did a search for C-17....nothing came up


38 posted on 08/11/2012 7:07:00 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: llevrok; Chode

"what's he doing way up here"

39 posted on 08/11/2012 7:12:02 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

I just love a good conspiracy theory...

The reason the pilot landed on the wrong runway was due to a magnetic pole shift, this is after all 2012 and supposedly just before Christmas something catastrophic will happen.

At first we will hear of strange cases like this, and the birds will migrate in different directions and in some really isolated cases people will claim an electric motor is running in the opposite direction.


40 posted on 08/11/2012 7:14:54 PM PDT by Eye of Unk (Vote for Sarah Palin, she is the cure to the disease and infection of socialism.)
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To: Doogle
glad i dint have a mouth full...
41 posted on 08/11/2012 7:27:12 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Doogle

This was from about 3 weeks ago. Thanks for bringing current news to our attention!


42 posted on 08/11/2012 7:33:26 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (2012 will be the last constitutional US presidential election.)
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To: Veggie Todd

did a search, really....


43 posted on 08/11/2012 7:36:53 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Veggie Todd

plus it was posted under general/chat...not “news”


44 posted on 08/11/2012 7:40:27 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Doogle

Damn, I miss the “Far Side”


45 posted on 08/11/2012 7:56:43 PM PDT by Figment
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To: Doogle; Bryan24
I wouldn’t have been worry that much about stopping (tremendous reversing thrust) my concern would have been weight restrictions

You should see a loaded C 130 reverse the props on a short field landing. Dirt runways will make the entire aircraft disappear in a cloud of dust.

46 posted on 08/11/2012 8:04:14 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (RINO season is open. No limit. Make them extinct.)
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To: driftdiver
He didn’t land at the Tampa airport.

Y'all are assuming the pilot is a he. This is a C-17.

;-)

47 posted on 08/11/2012 8:38:35 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Figment

I Think he’s still around..Larson


48 posted on 08/12/2012 12:01:19 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: driftdiver
Y'ALL BE CAREFUL NOW. YA HEAR.
49 posted on 08/12/2012 5:39:04 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar said "Quae cum ita sunt. Since these things are so.".)
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To: Doogle

It’s Peter O’Knight....not Knight


50 posted on 08/12/2012 9:17:50 AM PDT by representativerepublic (...loose lips, sink ships)
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