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Rove: Obama Holds 271 Electoral Votes
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Posted on 08/13/2012 8:13:21 PM PDT by goodn'mad

Fox News. Between Joe Trippi and Carl Rove. Rove states that Obama holds 271 electoral votes but Romney holds only 182 electoral votes. "If the election were held today, Obama would win."


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Huh? Can this possible be true? Dick Morris says that in a couple of polls Romney is ahead (Rasmussen and another one...I can't remember which). How can this be?
1 posted on 08/13/2012 8:13:29 PM PDT by goodn'mad
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To: goodn'mad

rove’s effort to stay relevant


2 posted on 08/13/2012 8:16:09 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: goodn'mad

Rove is an idiot, probably upset that his butt buddy Jeb Bush didnt get the VP slot. Some in the GOP Establishment would love Obama to win, it would suit their agenda


3 posted on 08/13/2012 8:17:16 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: goodn'mad

Rove loves to get jobs arguing on the margins!

But then again that’s his operating style vis-a-vie FL 2000.


4 posted on 08/13/2012 8:18:09 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: goodn'mad

http://rove.com/election

He’s using polls that are questionable. He lists his sources on his website.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2917990/posts

I posted something about it earlier.


5 posted on 08/13/2012 8:18:09 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: goodn'mad
"If the election were held today, Obama would win."

The election is NOT being held today. So STFU.
6 posted on 08/13/2012 8:18:22 PM PDT by youngidiot (The name's Bond. James Bond. James Bond Jovi.)
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To: goodn'mad

Rove is an idiot and the election isn’t being held today so his comments are irrelevant.


7 posted on 08/13/2012 8:20:00 PM PDT by Oliver Boliver Butt
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To: goodn'mad

I really thInk people need to get ready for Obama winning.


8 posted on 08/13/2012 8:21:41 PM PDT by roylene (Salvation the great Gift of Grace.)
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To: goodn'mad
Something like 70% of Americans think,today,that the country is headed in the wrong direction.Consumer confidence is near an all-time low.The Republican Governor of a deep blue state recently survived...easily survived...a recall effort.And I haven't even mentioned the unemployment rate,the food stamp rate,the national debt or gas prices.

And yet we're supposed to believe that Osama Obama would stroll to victory if the election was held tomorrow?

9 posted on 08/13/2012 8:22:45 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Word Is Out,Harry Reid's Into Child Porn.Release All Your Photos,Harry!)
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To: goodn'mad

IIRC, 99 of the votes Obama “has” are leaners, not solid.


10 posted on 08/13/2012 8:22:45 PM PDT by PghBaldy
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To: barmag25

Thanks for the links. I check ‘em out.


11 posted on 08/13/2012 8:25:12 PM PDT by goodn'mad
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To: goodn'mad

Is the fix in?... Will Romney take a “dive”?..
You know take a dive using Ryan as cover..
like Juan Mclaim did with Palin..?


12 posted on 08/13/2012 8:25:46 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: All

Who cares if he is wrong. We should be fighting as if Obama has 300+ electoral votes even if he does not.

What are we going to do if he were to say Romney had 271... go on a cruise between now and election day?


13 posted on 08/13/2012 8:27:26 PM PDT by tsowellfan (Voting for Obama/Biden is like purposely swallowing two tapeworms)
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To: PghBaldy
Not to mention "leaners" with faulty polls that are stacked with a much higher percentage of democrat voters than Republicans.

Rove is not to be trusted, hasn't been trustworthy since his "new tone policy" and "we must give amnesty so the hispanics will like us" stupidity.

He's like Grima Wormtongue (from Lord of the Rings).

14 posted on 08/13/2012 8:28:07 PM PDT by Lakeshark (I don't care for Mitt; the alternative is unthinkable)
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To: goodn'mad

He do?


15 posted on 08/13/2012 8:28:17 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: roylene

Don’t see it happening. I think Obama is in a lot of trouble judging by how many ‘polls’ the democrats are putting out there. I would even be so bold to say that if an Honest pollster polled New Jersey R&R would be within 2 or 3 percentage points.


16 posted on 08/13/2012 8:28:52 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Gay State Conservative
In the weeks leading up to the Wisconsin recall election there were plenty of polls indicating that Scott Walker would lose. He ended up winning the recall election by a wider margin than his original election.

Something to think about here is that the GOP ran through this past primary season with the most marginal, half-@ssed group of presidential candidates in recent memory. I mean, how could Rick Santorum be a credible candidate when he wouldn't even carry his own state in a general election? And Newt Gingrich? That jack@ss wasn't even in politics for more than a decade before crawling out from under a rock somewhere to dress up as a "Republican Presidential Candidate" for an early Halloween season. These guys all stayed in the race as long as they could because they knew damn well that even a bag of dog crap would stand a pretty decent chance of winning against Obama in November.

17 posted on 08/13/2012 8:30:25 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: goodn'mad

The game has not really even started yet. Everyone is still pounding the beach from their battleships to soften up their opponent before the marines hit the beach.


18 posted on 08/13/2012 8:30:33 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: goodn'mad

Rove is an irrelevant piece of leftist RINO shit that just needs to go away. Rove is one of those responsible for Obama being president. FU Karl with a K Rove...


19 posted on 08/13/2012 8:33:21 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Agreed. We don’t need to shoot Rove. His analysis at this moment is likely very accurate.

But the country hasn’t engaged nor gotten to know Romney and Ryan.

Dukakis held a 17 point lead over Bush Sr. after the D convention in August of 1988.

Support for a specific candidate by an independent voter at this moment can be a mile wide but an inch deep. The polls will bounce. I think Romney will hold a lead in some national polls by next week based on Ryan enthusiasm.


20 posted on 08/13/2012 8:34:35 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I didn’t know Karl and Jeb were butt buds. I thought Karl was in the tank for Romney and that was it.


21 posted on 08/13/2012 8:34:56 PM PDT by libh8er
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To: roylene

I don’t see how. People will have to decide in huge numbers to change their minds abut Obama. Unless Romney and Ryan really made huge errors, they will win. Obama can’t get above 45% and we are now less than 3 months from election day.

Rove is giving Obama states here he sites at 45-46% because he might be ahead of Romney a few. These are states Romney is likely to win.


22 posted on 08/13/2012 8:36:12 PM PDT by ilgipper ( November cannot come soon enough)
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To: goodn'mad

Disregard anything that Porky Pig Face says!


23 posted on 08/13/2012 8:37:15 PM PDT by Batman11 (Obama's poll numbers are so low the Kenyans are claiming he was born in the USA!)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I play golf often with 2 seniors who are both retired government workers. They will vote for Obama because they are convinced GOP is only for rich people’s benefit.

So I ask them basic questions such as...why should seniors be scared of Romney-Ryan? Their answer: they will cut Medicare & Social Security. I ask them do they know that GOP proposals will not affect people over 55? Nope, they don’t know. But they hear on the news that Ryan wants to gut Medicare.

Next topic...they want taxes on rich people to go up. I ask them who creates most new jobs? They agree it is small businesses. So I tell them if taxes are raised will it cause those small businesses to hire less people? Their answer flabbergasted me....They said no, the money will come out of profits only, not cutting employees.

I think we are in bigger trouble than you think.


24 posted on 08/13/2012 8:37:58 PM PDT by entropy12 (Hate is the most insidious emotion, it will grow cancer in your body.)
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To: SteveAustin
With gasoline prices rising back above $4 a gallon in parts of the country I think you'll see Obama's numbers start to take a serious hit. Note that his numbers were strongest in recent months around 6-8 weeks ago when fuel prices dropped unexpectedly around the 4th of July.

For whatever it's worth, you can go back over the last 40+ years and you'll find that, almost without exception, a president's approval rating is almost inversely proportional to the price of gasoline in this country.

25 posted on 08/13/2012 8:39:53 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: goodn'mad

We sent Romney money.

Let’s hope he and Ryan pull this off.

The consequences of an Obama win are too harsh to contemplate.

The end of America and freedom as we know it.

We could be entering a dark age of economic collapse with out of control debt, higher food and gas prices, unemployment like never seen and widespread social unrest.


26 posted on 08/13/2012 8:41:08 PM PDT by garjog
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To: roylene

After you remove ‘what seem to be safe states’ for Obama and Romney you are left with Obama-201 Romney-191

The states below will decide the election. These are all states Obama won in 08.

State Poll date sample data EV

Michigan 7/23/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-42 16

Iowa 8/8/12 500LV Romney-46 Obama-44 6

Nevada 7/24/12 500LV Obama- 50 Romnay-45 6

Wisconsin 7/25/12 500LV Obama-49 Romnay-46 10

Colorado 8/6/12 500LV Obama-47 Romney-47 9

Penn. 7/18/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-44 20

N. Car 8/1/12 500LV Romney-49 Obama-44 15

Virginia 8/7/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-46 13

New Ham 6/20/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-43 4

Florida 7/9/12 500LV Romney-46 Obama-45 29

Ohio 7/18/12 500LV Obama-47 Romney-45 18

Total of toss ups 146

R&R will take Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, & Colorado. I can see Michigan and Pennsylvania also turning red. High probability of that happening and if so, shows over call in the moving vans.


27 posted on 08/13/2012 8:42:05 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: goodn'mad

And they are spinning. He holds way more. This is a disaster. We must admit it and change this Party.


28 posted on 08/13/2012 8:43:02 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: roylene

After you remove ‘what seem to be safe states’ for Obama and Romney you are left with Obama-201 Romney-191

The states below will decide the election. These are all states Obama won in 08.

State Poll date sample data EV

Michigan 7/23/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-42 16

Iowa 8/8/12 500LV Romney-46 Obama-44 6

Nevada 7/24/12 500LV Obama- 50 Romnay-45 6

Wisconsin 7/25/12 500LV Obama-49 Romnay-46 10

Colorado 8/6/12 500LV Obama-47 Romney-47 9

Penn. 7/18/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-44 20

N. Car 8/1/12 500LV Romney-49 Obama-44 15

Virginia 8/7/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-46 13

New Ham 6/20/12 500LV Obama-48 Romney-43 4

Florida 7/9/12 500LV Romney-46 Obama-45 29

Ohio 7/18/12 500LV Obama-47 Romney-45 18

Total of toss ups 146

R&R will take Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, Iowa, & Colorado. I can see Michigan and Pennsylvania also turning red. High probability of that happening and if so, shows over call in the moving vans.


29 posted on 08/13/2012 8:43:11 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: roylene

Indeed.
ObamaCare survived the Supreme Court against all odds.

Watch the gatekeepers.
Electors are not legally obligated.
He need only buy a couple dozen votes.
The Chicago Way is good at that.
Especially with a bottomless checking account and a baseball bat.


30 posted on 08/13/2012 8:46:44 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: Sarah Barracuda; goodn'mad

“Rove is an idiot, probably upset that his butt buddy Jeb Bush didnt get the VP slot. Some in the GOP Establishment would love Obama to win, it would suit their agenda”

Butt Buddy? Rove is one of them dung punchers? I do know/believe that Rove is one of the GOPe that wants Osama bin Obama to win. And who calls the shots for Rove? Daddy Bush.


31 posted on 08/13/2012 8:47:14 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: entropy12
Interesting anecdote, but I wouldn't read too much into that. Those two @ssholes would be voting for Obama in any case.

Something to remember here is that those are retired government workers, which means their whole political outlook has been based on an expectation of nanny-state government for decades. But for every one of those jack@sses, I would venture to guess that there are 2-3 Obama voters from 2008 who are: (1) under the age of 25; (2) recent (post-2008) college graduates; and (3) unemployed, and facing no prospects of gainful employment anytime soon. It's this latter group who is going to play a much bigger role in this election -- either by voting for Romney or by simply staying home on Election Day.

If the attitude that you described for those two golfing partners of yours were as indicative of a general political trend as you seem to think, we would never have Republican governors like Chris Christie and Scott Walker ... who built their campaigns on rescuing middle-class workers from government workers ... in deep "blue" states, mind you.

32 posted on 08/13/2012 8:47:49 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: roylene
I think its a big job to unseat a tyrant....first you have your regular pinkos and slackers and govt workers and your lazy no good welfare cheats, and then you have "conservative" voters not voting or voting for the all powerful third party....

can't wait to read all their complaints if obamey wins....all their angst over "if" only the pubs had listened to "them".....

33 posted on 08/13/2012 8:51:26 PM PDT by cherry (/)
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To: ctdonath2; roylene

“Especially with a bottomless checking account and a baseball bat.”

Forget the baseball bat...in Chicago they use automatic AK-47’s etc.

And these are the ‘gun grabbers’ doing the using.


34 posted on 08/13/2012 8:51:26 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: goodn'mad

Rove predicted the Republicans would NOT take the House in 2010. He was way off and too pessimistic then, and he still is today.


35 posted on 08/13/2012 8:51:36 PM PDT by jps098
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To: jps098

36 posted on 08/13/2012 8:54:13 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Conservatism is not a matter of convenience.)
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To: entropy12
Something else to think about is that one of the cornerstones of the original ObamaCare legislation was that it was financed largely through massive Medicare cuts. For those two @ssholes to suggest that they're going to vote for that jug-eared nitwit because they think Romney and Ryan are going to "destroy Medicare" is laughable.

This is why this country is not run by retired government workers who play golf. It's also why if the sh!t really hits the fan in this country, a lot of retired government workers are going to find themselves on the first freight trains or barges taking hordes of useless, unproductive people to their demise.

37 posted on 08/13/2012 8:54:59 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Lakeshark
democrats ARE more prevalant so they should be polled in higher numbers...

but FWIW I'd rather be behind at this point than ahead.....its August....Romney/Ryan can really let go now, full steam ahead...

I hope they fight like wild cats....tooth and nail...

sad to think that there are some who want obamey to win here on fr....very sad....

38 posted on 08/13/2012 8:55:35 PM PDT by cherry (/)
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To: barmag25

And Obama won Indiana in 2008.

Rasmussen has Obama losing Indiana by 16%. RR 51% to Obama’s 35%.


39 posted on 08/13/2012 8:55:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: goodn'mad

RCP has Ob ama ahead in the large electoral states,mostly blue and purple. That is why he is ahead. Mitt has to win some purple states and take back some of the ones Bama won in 2008 like Fla., NH,NM, Ind. NC, Ohio. If he can, the electoral votes will change. Popular vote only translates into electoral votes and in that way, yes, B ama still leads. But, that could change. Some states are pretty close with Bama ahead by 2-3 pts. That can be turned in 80 plus days by good ideas and ads and visitation. We shall see if that happens. Then too, Pubs might actually outvote Dems this time and if so, more than one Bama state could turn .


40 posted on 08/13/2012 8:55:59 PM PDT by phillyfanatic
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To: barmag25

Rove is not using much common sense in his signing states. I think 270towin.com is probably close:

http://www.270towin.com/

except, I would put NC in the leaning Romney category. That makes it 206 Romney to 201 Obama with 136 undecided. I also might move N.M. to undecided making it 206 Romney to 196 Obama with 141 battleground states.


41 posted on 08/13/2012 8:56:27 PM PDT by JLS
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Yup. The Attorney General and his boys can ensure electors understand their responsibilities.

I was thinking of that recent pic of the Obama holding a bat while taking to a world leader. A couple fast & furious guns will do as well.


42 posted on 08/13/2012 8:58:00 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: goodn'mad

Shutup Karl.


43 posted on 08/13/2012 8:58:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Gay State Conservative

Despite your well layer out reality, just look at free republic for an example of why Romney may not win. Then look and talk to your neighbor who doesnt pay much attention but thinks Obama tries hard. Couple em both, and you have an Obama victory party.


44 posted on 08/13/2012 9:00:09 PM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Red Steel

Indiana, Iowa, North Carolina are already red Florida just went with Ohio right behind it. That list also has New Mexico, Connecticut, and New Jersey as ‘safe’ Obama and I think all three are in play.


45 posted on 08/13/2012 9:00:45 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Alberta's Child

You forget to mention Romney, possibly the least electable candidate in the primary, and one who’s been proving it consistently for the last several weeks. He’s also someone who couldn’t get elected in Massachusetts as a Senator or in a 2nd term as governor. Santorum or Gingrich would have been polling a lot better than Romney this summer, that’s for sure, since they know how to form a conservative message and communicate it.

I also believe Obama is currently ahead and still likely to win, but it’s closer as of the Ryan pick thanks to the excitement from the base and the fact that Ryan might be able to create a better pitch for Romney.

Conditions simply haven’t changed that much since Obama won the first time. People believe the Republicans caused the economic meltdown because it happened while Bush was in office. If the case can be made that Democrats blocked reforms of Fannie/Freddie that Republicans wanted which would have stopped the crisis, that case certainly hasn’t been made successfully to the average voter yet.

Romney’s message has been that the economy is getting better, but not fast enough. That’s immediately conceding that the economy is getting better under Obama. How is that a winning message?

The only way to win this election is to fight the battle of socialism vs. capitalism. The public needs to learn that socialism will turn us into a third world country in the long run and lower the standard of living and quality of life for everybody. Obama is selling everybody a bunch of free goodies in the short-term. Unless the long-term disaster that results from that is explained to people, they’re going to go with Obama. Why turn down the short-term pleasure if nobody’s even telling you about the long-term pain?

On the ground in Pennsylvania, I don’t see much difference in how people are going to vote from the last time. The commmitted leftists are still as committed to Obama as ever, if not moreso. Since the wars are off the front pages, they’ve forgotten about them and are just swooning over Obama’s domestic agenda. The conservatives are still against him, but they’re discouraged at the prospects of beating him. The independents who were scared of Obama aren’t sold on him, but they’re less scared than they were before, either because they’re used to the “new normal” in the economy or are at least satisfied that things aren’t getting worse. And the independents who blamed the Republicans for the economic downturn still blame the Republicans.

Obama will probably win the election unless conservative ideology is explained completely and thoroughly to the American public. Since a conservative like Gingrich or Santorum didn’t win the primary, Ryan is just about our only chance to get that message out. It’s a slim chance.


46 posted on 08/13/2012 9:01:45 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: entropy12
why do you play golf with two retired govt workers?....they are the takers...the health care...the pensions....

their finances are secure...

I find those whose finances are secure especially be the govt tend to want no changes for them, but the rest of we little peasants should just buck up and pay more....

remember people...taxes on the "rich" don't really happen....the taxes fall on the two wage earner households and small businesses....the middle and upper classes.....the rich can connive, we can not so much...

47 posted on 08/13/2012 9:02:02 PM PDT by cherry (/)
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To: Alberta's Child
With gasoline prices rising back above $4 a gallon in parts of the country I think you'll see Obama's numbers start to take a serious hit. Note that his numbers were strongest in recent months around 6-8 weeks ago when fuel prices dropped unexpectedly around the 4th of July.

The analysts on the radio today were saying this spike is due to refinery problems and they expect prices to drop in the last 100 days of the year. So starting around October. Don't count on gas prices sinking Obama.

48 posted on 08/13/2012 9:03:44 PM PDT by JediJones (Too Hot for GOP TV: Newt Gingrich, Sarah Palin, Allen West and Donald Trump)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

LOL well I dont know about butt buddy(Just coined the phrase) but I bet the Karl Rove’s of the GOP Establishment really wished that Jeb Bush had been chosen for VP..I Really dont get it, they tanked the 2008 campaign so that Romney would be the nominee in 2012, they got what they wanted, now they are trying to tank 2012 for 2016..dont these fools know that if Obama wins there wont be a 2016 election, it will be like Venezuela we will be stuck with Obama for life


49 posted on 08/13/2012 9:04:09 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: tsowellfan

BUMP


50 posted on 08/13/2012 9:04:17 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Kyrie Eleison)
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